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Thread: Idera's acquisition of Sencha Inc.



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Farshad Mohajeri

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Idera's acquisition of Sencha Inc.
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  Posted: Aug 25, 2017 4:12 AM   in response to: Farshad Mohajeri in response to: Farshad Mohajeri
On 8/25/17 3:05 AM, Farshad Mohajeri wrote:

I looked at Sencha's extJS for web development a few years back. Their
prices were eye wateringly high.
Farshad Mohajeri

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  Posted: Aug 25, 2017 5:52 AM   in response to: Mike Margerum in response to: Mike Margerum
Mike Margerum wrote:
I looked at Sencha's extJS for web development a few years back. Their
prices were eye wateringly high.

Main problem here is that Sencha is priced for minimum 5 developers.
uniGUI enables you to build Ext JS apps with Delphi at a much lower price.

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Matthew Jones

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  Posted: Aug 25, 2017 6:34 AM   in response to: Farshad Mohajeri in response to: Farshad Mohajeri
Farshad Mohajeri wrote:

Main problem here is that Sencha is priced for minimum 5 developers.

Further down there are per-developer prices. Still not cheap. Makes me glad that Elevate WebBuilder is so well priced!
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  Posted: Aug 25, 2017 8:22 AM   in response to: Matthew Jones in response to: Matthew Jones
Main problem here is that Sencha is priced for minimum 5 developers.

Further down there are per-developer prices. Still not cheap. Makes
me glad that Elevate WebBuilder is so well priced!

Don't forget Smart Mobile Studio, it's also reasonable priced.

Farshad, how will this affect UniGui? UniGui is in a way competitor to FMX, I
hope Embarcadero won't change OEM license deal you have with Sencha.
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  Posted: Aug 25, 2017 10:01 AM   in response to: Igor Savkic in response to: Igor Savkic
Igor Savkic wrote:
Farshad, how will this affect UniGui? UniGui is in a way competitor to FMX, I
hope Embarcadero won't change OEM license deal you have with Sencha.

uniGUI will continue to thrive. OEM agreement will remain intact. That's why you have an agreement in the first place :)
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Farshad Mohajeri wrote:

That's why you have an agreement in the first place :)

That gave me a good chuckle.

<cynic mode>

It is about money and occasionally honor. The agreement stays in place
as long as it is more profitable then litigation cost and possible
judgement.

<\cynic mode>

My2c.
Joseph Mitzen

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  Posted: Aug 29, 2017 9:52 PM   in response to: Mike Margerum in response to: Mike Margerum
Mike Margerum wrote:

I looked at Sencha's extJS for web development a few years back. Their
prices were eye wateringly high.

So it's a perfect fit for Idera! ;-)
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  Posted: Aug 25, 2017 8:24 AM   in response to: Farshad Mohajeri in response to: Farshad Mohajeri
This is great news! It is something that has been in the works for a while, and I am really excited about. We see adding Sencha as a complementary technology to our (Embarcadero's) current development stack. There are already multiple frameworks that integrate Sencha into the Delphi & C++Builder ecosystem: Kitto and UniGUI being two of the more prevalent ones. We'll work on improving their interoperability, including promoting of these and other existing libraries and the development of web client frameworks of our own.

For a long time, our developers have asked for a 1st class web development framework. Adding Sencha is the key for that. This is part of our vision for an open and more connected ecosystem that provides many options to our developers. It is a good time to be a Delphi developer, and it keeps getting better.

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  Posted: Aug 25, 2017 8:42 PM   in response to: Jim McKeeth in response to: Jim McKeeth
Jim McKeeth wrote:
There are already multiple frameworks that integrate Sencha into the Delphi & C++Builder ecosystem: Kitto and UniGUI being two of the more prevalent ones. We'll work on improving their interoperability, including promoting of these and other existing libraries and the development of web client frameworks of our own.

Jim,
Thank you for your comment. I'm only aware of Kitto and Raudus which integrated an older version of Ext JS 3.x into Delphi in a very limited way. From what I see Kitto is a frozen project which is not developed for years. In the past initial versions of Raudus was using Ext JS, but after a while it switched to pure HTML and no longer is based on Ext JS. Currently uniGUI is the only Ext JS framework for Delphi/C++ which is actively developed and maintained.
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  Posted: Aug 26, 2017 1:32 AM   in response to: Farshad Mohajeri in response to: Farshad Mohajeri
Seems like there is a newer version of kitto based on ExtJs 6.2
https://github.com/EtheaDev/kitto2

and the company that develops it seems to have a viable website
http://www.ethea.it/


Jim,
Thank you for your comment. I'm only aware of Kitto and Raudus which integrated an older version of Ext JS 3.x into Delphi in a very limited way. From what I see Kitto is a frozen project which is not developed for years. In the past initial versions of Raudus was using Ext JS, but after a while it switched to pure HTML and no longer is based on Ext JS. Currently uniGUI is the only Ext JS framework for Delphi/C++ which is actively developed and maintained.
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  Posted: Aug 26, 2017 2:25 AM   in response to: David Novo in response to: David Novo
David Novo wrote:
Seems like there is a newer version of kitto based on ExtJs 6.2
https://github.com/EtheaDev/kitto2

and the company that develops it seems to have a viable website
http://www.ethea.it/

Yesterday, their web site and demo site was unreachable.
Thanks for the info.
Carlo Barazzetta

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David Novo wrote:
Seems like there is a newer version of kitto based on ExtJs 6.2
https://github.com/EtheaDev/kitto2

and the company that develops it seems to have a viable website
http://www.ethea.it/
yes, I confirm. We are alive!
Carlo
Carlo Barazzetta

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  Posted: Sep 8, 2017 4:10 AM   in response to: Farshad Mohajeri in response to: Farshad Mohajeri
Jim,
Thank you for your comment. I'm only aware of Kitto and Raudus which integrated an older version of Ext JS 3.x into Delphi in a very limited way. From what I see Kitto is a frozen project which is not developed for years. In the past initial versions of Raudus was using Ext JS, but after a while it switched to pure HTML and no longer is based on Ext JS. Currently uniGUI is the only Ext JS framework for Delphi/C++ which is actively developed and maintained.

Hi everyone, Kitto is also active, developed and maintained! The new Kitto2 version uses ExtJS 6.2 and is completely Open Source:
https://github.com/EtheaDev/kitto2/
We are not competing with uniGUI, our approach is completely different, but we can offer another opportunity for the Delphi community to develop WEB applications.
Carlo
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  Posted: Aug 26, 2017 5:58 AM   in response to: Jim McKeeth in response to: Jim McKeeth
"Jim McKeeth" wrote on Fri, 25 Aug 2017 08:24:26 -0700:

For a long time, our developers have asked for a 1st class web
development framework. Adding Sencha is the key for that. This is
part of our vision for an open and more connected ecosystem that
provides many options to our developers. It is a good time to be a
Delphi developer, and it keeps getting better.

Very intriguing. I sure hope that Embarcadero doesn't price this out
of grasp of single-developer mISV shops. I would definitely be
interested in using it, but not at prices anywhere near what they were
charging, and not if it means having to subscribe to an Enterprise
license...

Certainly a very interesting development.

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David Schwartz

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  Posted: Aug 26, 2017 10:22 AM   in response to: Brandon Staggs in response to: Brandon Staggs
If it was included in the Enterprise license, that would definitely be worth it.

But owning Sencha, that potentially puts UniGui in a squeeze. I think if they were to also acquire UniGui, that would be awesome.

For decades we have only talked about languages and maybe libraries in the software world.

The evolution of these things called "stacks" is relatively new, as a means of talking about what combination of random (but popular) pieces you were using.

I think if Delphi gets us back to using one source base to build an entire ecosystem of apps, from Windows, Mac, and mobile (iOS and Android) all the way to RIA websites, that would get us back to "the old days" when we focused on simply writing code and not worrying so much about having to master different pieces of "stacks" to please whatever crazy ideas somebody has about "what's best" for them.

I see ads for Delphi people where they say "it's nice" to have experience with, say, DevEx or Raize, but they're hardly considered "must have" skills the way people seem to think some specific version of jquery or a particular java library is often regarded.

This is crap the compiler should have to deal with, not dependent on what's in my short- and medium-term memory! I have more than enough junk floating around in my head, and more and more of it is just noise these days.
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  Posted: Aug 26, 2017 1:21 PM   in response to: Brandon Staggs in response to: Brandon Staggs
Brandon Staggs wrote:
"Jim McKeeth" wrote on Fri, 25 Aug 2017 08:24:26 -0700:

For a long time, our developers have asked for a 1st class web
development framework. Adding Sencha is the key for that. This is
part of our vision for an open and more connected ecosystem that
provides many options to our developers. It is a good time to be a
Delphi developer, and it keeps getting better.

Very intriguing. I sure hope that Embarcadero doesn't price this out
of grasp of single-developer mISV shops. I would definitely be
interested in using it, but not at prices anywhere near what they were
charging, and not if it means having to subscribe to an Enterprise
license...

Certainly a very interesting development.

It has been a long time since Delphi has had real progress on an out of the box web development solution. Last serious one was web broker, and it was left incomplete. This acquisition should help fill in the hole.

Embarcadero, please don't adopt Sencha's pricing. That's some expensive wares.
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  Posted: Aug 26, 2017 11:54 PM   in response to: Kyle Miller in response to: Kyle Miller
Kyle Miller wrote:

Embarcadero, please don't adopt Sencha's pricing. That's some
expensive wares.

You are making a joke, right?
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  Posted: Aug 28, 2017 7:37 AM   in response to: Zoran M in response to: Zoran M
Zoran M wrote:
Kyle Miller wrote:

Embarcadero, please don't adopt Sencha's pricing. That's some
expensive wares.

You are making a joke, right?

If this is per developer pricing, those prices are up there.
https://www.sencha.com/pricing/
Joseph Mitzen

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  Posted: Aug 29, 2017 10:09 PM   in response to: Kyle Miller in response to: Kyle Miller
Kyle Miller wrote:
Zoran M wrote:
Kyle Miller wrote:

Embarcadero, please don't adopt Sencha's pricing. That's some
expensive wares.

You are making a joke, right?

If this is per developer pricing, those prices are up there.
https://www.sencha.com/pricing/

Ok, I could buy a 16-core Threadripper PC with top of the line motherboard, 3 512GB NVMe SSDs, three 6 terabyte hard drives, a flagship graphics card, 64GB of fast quad-channel ram with LEDs, water cooling, 1500 watt power supply, 2160p monitor, top gaming keyboard and mouse, etc. along with an unlocked Samsung Galaxy Note 8 and still have change left over for the price of one copy of Delphi Enterprise and Ext JS Standard edition. Heck, toss in one copy of Interbase (unlimited users) and the three cost $3,000 more than the used 2016 Hyundai car I almost bought this weekend. These prices are insane for software that isn't unique or niche.
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  Posted: Aug 29, 2017 10:57 PM   in response to: Joseph Mitzen in response to: Joseph Mitzen
On 8/29/2017 10:09 PM, Joseph Mitzen wrote:
Kyle Miller wrote:
Zoran M wrote:
Kyle Miller wrote:

Embarcadero, please don't adopt Sencha's pricing. That's some
expensive wares.

You are making a joke, right?

If this is per developer pricing, those prices are up there.
https://www.sencha.com/pricing/

Ok, I could buy a 16-core Threadripper PC with top of the line motherboard, 3 512GB NVMe SSDs, three 6 terabyte hard drives, a flagship graphics card, 64GB of fast quad-channel ram with LEDs, water cooling, 1500 watt power supply, 2160p monitor, top gaming keyboard and mouse, etc. along with an unlocked Samsung Galaxy Note 8 and still have change left over for the price of one copy of Delphi Enterprise and Ext JS Standard edition. Heck, toss in one copy of Interbase (unlimited users) and the three cost $3
,000 more than the used 2016 Hyundai car I almost bought this weekend. These prices are insane for software that isn't unique or niche.

Yeah, but a Hyundai... I thought better of you... <G>

David Erbas-White
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  Posted: Aug 30, 2017 9:43 AM   in response to: David Erbas-White in response to: David Erbas-White
David Erbas-White wrote:

Yeah, but a Hyundai... I thought better of you... <G>

The Hyundai wasn't my idea though. :-) I have driven a rental 2017 Hyundai Sonata for a week and a half now and I must say it's been a fairly nice ride.
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  Posted: Sep 1, 2017 3:45 PM   in response to: Joseph Mitzen in response to: Joseph Mitzen
Joseph,

| | Yeah, but a Hyundai... I thought better of you... <G>
|
| The Hyundai wasn't my idea though. :-) I have driven a rental 2017
| Hyundai Sonata for a week and a half now and I must say it's been a
| fairly nice ride.

My wife has a 2012 Hyundai. It's been, and is, a great car!

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  Posted: Sep 2, 2017 8:54 AM   in response to: Quentin Correll in response to: Quentin Correll
Quentin Correll wrote:

Joseph,

| | Yeah, but a Hyundai... I thought better of you... <G>

The Hyundai wasn't my idea though. :-) I have driven a rental 2017
Hyundai Sonata for a week and a half now and I must say it's been a
fairly nice ride.

My wife has a 2012 Hyundai. It's been, and is, a great car!

My son had a Hyundai (a little older) and was very happy with it. Some
friends have one too. They have become pretty popular here. They
usually provide a lot for the money and are pretty sturdy and reliable.
And these days, they look good too.

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Joseph Mitzen wrote:
Ok, I could buy a 16-core Threadripper PC with top of the line motherboard, 3 512GB NVMe SSDs, three 6 terabyte hard drives, a flagship graphics card, 64GB of fast quad-channel ram with LEDs, water cooling, 1500 watt power supply,

You could still release your software under GPLv3 and get if for "free", although Sencha true adherence to the GPL is a debatable... <G>

Let see what will happen to the GPL license under Idera...

Edited by: Luigi Sandon on Aug 30, 2017 10:52 AM
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It has been a long time since Delphi has had real progress on an out of the box web development solution.

Monolithic native executables are seldom a good choice for server side web development, and of course useless client side. There are reason why C/C++ is not exactly a web development tool, even if it is far more portable (and powerful) than Delphi. While some web features are welcome, i.e. as embedded management interfaces for services/daemons, I'm afraid Delphi is not the right solution for full scale web development. Especially since from a security perspective (Delphi still lacks an out-of-the-box encryption and SSL/TLS library, for example....). And being a nice product, it will of course lack the availability of well tested third party libraries.

It's no surprise the developers survey indicated a large number of developers uses Delphi for native VCL applications.

The idea of a single "stack" for any kind of application may appeal to the single developer or very small teams, but reality can be very different.
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  Posted: Aug 27, 2017 12:45 PM   in response to: Jim McKeeth in response to: Jim McKeeth
Jim McKeeth wrote:
This is great news! It is something that has been in the works for a while, and I am really excited about. We see adding Sencha as a complementary technology to our (Embarcadero's) current development stack. There are already multiple frameworks that integrate Sencha into the Delphi & C++Builder ecosystem: Kitto and UniGUI being two of the more prevalent ones. We'll work on improving their interoperability, including promoting of these and other existing libraries and the development of web client frameworks of our own.

For a long time, our developers have asked for a 1st class web development framework. Adding Sencha is the key for that. This is part of our vision for an open and more connected ecosystem that provides many options to our developers. It is a good time to be a Delphi developer, and it keeps getting better.

UniGUI is one of the KEY reasons that I have used (against significant resistance from Java, C#, Python etc. camps) to convince myself AND managament to stay on the Delphi path for a substantial suite of products at a major multinational company. Please ensure that acquisition of Sencha provides a leverage to 3rd party Delphi library developers (such as UniGUI). Embarcadero NEEDS strong and empowered 3rd party developers even in cases where there is competition between Embarcadero and 3rd party (think FireDAC vs UniDAC which are both strong and have unique selling points).
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  Posted: Aug 28, 2017 9:11 AM   in response to: Farshad Mohajeri in response to: Farshad Mohajeri
Hi,

Very good news for Idera and Embarcadero. I'm sure they will most certainly delivery an incredible product.
They already have RAD Server and it makes sense to have something WEBby for the client.

But they also should take into account the price. I hate to bring this up again, but, as hired developer by few companies, I'm in an odd situation.
None of the companies I develop for is using the latest Delphi. They will NOT upgrade.
I must keep Delphi XE and older just to "keep up" with them.
And that raises the following question: Since all my customers are using older versions of the IDE, why should I keep upgrading?

Last friday one of my customers called Emb. representative and after hearing the price for 5 Enterprise licenses they gave up.
They MOVED to Visual studio and Delphi is considered going backward and all they tools wrote in delphi will remain as is. New application, that could be developed using delphi, will be developed in VS.

Embarcadero/Idera you are NOT making things easier!

Clément
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Am 28.08.2017 um 18:11 schrieb Clement Doss:
Hi,

Very good news for Idera and Embarcadero. I'm sure they will most certainly delivery an incredible product.
They already have RAD Server and it makes sense to have something WEBby for the client.

But they also should take into account the price. I hate to bring this up again, but, as hired developer by few companies, I'm in an odd situation.
None of the companies I develop for is using the latest Delphi. They will NOT upgrade.
I must keep Delphi XE and older just to "keep up" with them.
And that raises the following question: Since all my customers are using older versions of the IDE, why should I keep upgrading?

Last friday one of my customers called Emb. representative and after hearing the price for 5 Enterprise licenses they gave up.
They MOVED to Visual studio and Delphi is considered going backward and all they tools wrote in delphi will remain as is. New application, that could be developed using delphi, will be developed in VS.

Embarcadero/Idera you are NOT making things easier!

Clément

Hello,

while I agree abhout prices, it's not of much use to post this here in
these newsgroups, because they're rarely read by EMBT folks.

Better send e-mails to the product managers, I'm quite sure you know
their names and e-mail addresses.

Greetings

Markus
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  Posted: Aug 28, 2017 2:26 PM   in response to: Markus Humm in response to: Markus Humm
Markus Humm wrote:
while I agree abhout prices, it's not of much use to post this here in
these newsgroups, because they're rarely read by EMBT folks.

Did Jim McKeeth leave EMBT?
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Dominique Willems wrote:

Did Jim McKeeth leave EMBT?

Not that I know of. . .

these newsgroups, because they're rarely read by EMBT folks.

It would appear they are read more than you expect.

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Jim McKeeth wrote:
Not that I know of. . .

Neither did I. :)

these newsgroups, because they're rarely read by EMBT folks.

It would appear they are read more than you expect.

More than Markus expects. I even expect the Spanish Inquisition!
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Dominique Willems wrote:

Jim McKeeth wrote:
Not that I know of. . .

Neither did I. :)

these newsgroups, because they're rarely read by EMBT folks.

It would appear they are read more than you expect.

More than Markus expects. I even expect the Spanish Inquisition!

NO ONE EXPECTS... !

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Am 29.08.2017 um 11:58 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB, MVP):
Dominique Willems wrote:

Jim McKeeth wrote:
Not that I know of. . .

Neither did I. :)

these newsgroups, because they're rarely read by EMBT folks.

It would appear they are read more than you expect.

More than Markus expects. I even expect the Spanish Inquisition!

NO ONE EXPECTS... !

Yes, because inquisition changed name meanwhile and changed a bit how
they do it and maybe even what they do. Catholic church sometimes gets
more modern as well ;-)

Greetings

Markus
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Am 29.08.2017 um 10:59 schrieb Dominique Willems:
Jim McKeeth wrote:
Not that I know of. . .

Neither did I. :)

these newsgroups, because they're rarely read by EMBT folks.

It would appear they are read more than you expect.

More than Markus expects. I even expect the Spanish Inquisition!

While I don't expect the latter one I know that some are reading here
now and then, but:

a) now-and then and
b) often don't reply here

Thus I thought sending a real e-mail would more likely result in a reply...

Greetings

Markus
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  Posted: Aug 29, 2017 2:09 PM   in response to: Markus Humm in response to: Markus Humm
Markus Humm wrote:

Thus I thought sending a real e-mail would more likely result in a reply...

Yes, an email is still the best. Sometimes I forget where I talked with someone about something and I am unable to follow up with them.

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  Posted: Aug 28, 2017 2:28 PM   in response to: Markus Humm in response to: Markus Humm
Hello,

while I agree abhout prices, it's not of much use to post this here in
these newsgroups, because they're rarely read by EMBT folks.

I know. But we developers should also be aware!


Better send e-mails to the product managers, I'm quite sure you know
their names and e-mail addresses.

I have and I use them. Even phone calls. Every conference I go I discuss with them too. I'm sure there's my picture somewhere full of darts LOL

Clément


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  Posted: Aug 28, 2017 8:08 PM   in response to: Clement Doss in response to: Clement Doss
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I'm sure there's my picture somewhere full of darts LOL

Picture maybe, darts no. They don't let me have sharp objects after the "incident," but I'm doing much better now.

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  Posted: Aug 29, 2017 7:37 AM   in response to: Farshad Mohajeri in response to: Farshad Mohajeri
I think Sencha's integration in meaningful way in Delphi would take ages. Hope to see Sencha integration realized in 2018...!!!
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  Posted: Aug 29, 2017 7:58 AM   in response to: Yogi Yang in response to: Yogi Yang
Yogi Yang wrote:

Farshad Mohajeri wrote:
There are news that Sencha is sold to Idera.
<snip>

https://www.sencha.com/blog/exciting-news-sencha-acquired-by-idera-inc/

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  Posted: Aug 29, 2017 9:18 PM   in response to: Farshad Mohajeri in response to: Farshad Mohajeri
And I also think that EMB will try to integrate Sencha into HTML 5 Builder (which is almost dead) also!

What does the community think?
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  Posted: Aug 30, 2017 9:17 AM   in response to: Yogi Yang in response to: Yogi Yang
"Yogi Yang" wrote on Tue, 29 Aug 2017 21:18:44 -0700:

And I also think that EMB will try to integrate Sencha into HTML 5 Builder (which is almost dead) also!

What does the community think?

What is the point of speculating about it?

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  Posted: Aug 30, 2017 9:49 AM   in response to: Brandon Staggs in response to: Brandon Staggs
Brandon Staggs wrote:

What is the point of speculating about it?

Are we that browbeaten and conditioned that we won't even think about things anymore?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness
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  Posted: Sep 1, 2017 11:17 AM   in response to: Joseph Mitzen in response to: Joseph Mitzen
"Joseph Mitzen" wrote on Wed, 30 Aug 2017 09:49:57 -0700:

Are we that browbeaten and conditioned that we won't even think about things anymore?

LOL. Speculating about what Idera is going to do with this acquisition
is a pointless waste of time. Or do you really think they bought the
company with no plans to do anything until they consulted
embarcadero.public.delphi.non-technical posts!?!?

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  Posted: Aug 30, 2017 9:17 AM   in response to: Yogi Yang in response to: Yogi Yang
Am 30.08.2017 um 06:18 schrieb Yogi Yang:
And I also think that EMB will try to integrate Sencha into HTML 5 Builder (which is almost dead) also!

What does the community think?

I don't know, but I'd be curious about EMBTs or Ideras plan of how to
technically integrate this and how to finacially integrated this (means:
what will it cost, will it be a separate product or an addon etc.

Greetings

Markus
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  Posted: Aug 30, 2017 11:44 AM   in response to: Farshad Mohajeri in response to: Farshad Mohajeri
I think it's very bad news...
This means they're leaning towards web apps, and not "real" apps (standalone)
Very bad.

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  Posted: Aug 30, 2017 5:10 PM   in response to: Steve Jordi in response to: Steve Jordi
On 8/30/17 2:44 PM, Steve Jordi wrote:
I think it's very bad news...
This means they're leaning towards web apps, and not "real" apps (standalone)
Very bad.

Why can't they do both? The more platforms Delphi can target the better
IMO.
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  Posted: Sep 1, 2017 3:52 PM   in response to: Mike Margerum in response to: Mike Margerum
Mike,

| Why can't they do both? The more platforms Delphi can target the
| better IMO.

+1

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  Posted: Sep 1, 2017 8:48 PM   in response to: Quentin Correll in response to: Quentin Correll
Quentin Correll wrote:

Mike,

Why can't they do both? The more platforms Delphi can target the
better IMO.

+1

As long has the spread does not get too thin.
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  Posted: Sep 2, 2017 10:29 AM   in response to: Mark Marks in response to: Mark Marks
Mark,

| | > Why can't they do both? The more platforms Delphi can target
| | the > better IMO.
 

| | +1
|
 

| As long has the spread does not get too thin.

Yes, that IS a serious consideration.

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  Posted: Sep 1, 2017 3:51 PM   in response to: Steve Jordi in response to: Steve Jordi
Steve,

| This means they're leaning towards web apps, and not "real" apps
| (standalone)

How do you know that's what it means? That's just your assumption.

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  Posted: Sep 2, 2017 8:55 AM   in response to: Steve Jordi in response to: Steve Jordi
Steve Jordi wrote:

I think it's very bad news...
This means they're leaning towards web apps, and not "real" apps
(standalone) Very bad.

No, it doesn't mean that at all, AFAICT. They probably want to do both.

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Rudy,

| They probably want to do both.

Yep, that makes sense to me as well.

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  Posted: Sep 2, 2017 1:09 PM   in response to: Steve Jordi in response to: Steve Jordi
Hi Steve,

This means they're leaning towards web apps, and not "real" apps (standalone)
Very bad.

It's a fact that Delphi is larger than Borland, Inprise, Codegear, Embarcadero and Idera (Did I miss someone?). You can't deny that Delphi evolved a LOT since Borland and what remains incredible is the compatibility with previous versions. Most conferences I attended too showed FishFact (since Delphi 3 I guess?) still compiling under Tokyo. They have improved VCL, Firemonkey, FireDAC and the compiler. Corrected lots of bugs everywhere (from the IDE to the compiler). I give you that datasnap is a horrible mistake since day 1 (they're not perfect), but RAD Server might get things right.
There's definitely a great focus on maintaining compatibility. It's clear to me that *this legacy is very important for them too*!

That's why I think you are mistaken.

Clément


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  Posted: Sep 3, 2017 1:10 PM   in response to: Clement Doss in response to: Clement Doss
On 2017-09-02 20:09:59 +0000, Clement Doss said:

That's why I think you are mistaken.

I really DO hope you're right. I want to be mistaken.

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  Posted: Sep 3, 2017 11:54 AM   in response to: Farshad Mohajeri in response to: Farshad Mohajeri
There will be a new uniGUI webinar on next Tuesday (5/9/2017).
While its main topic will be uniGUI, it will also help you to have a better understating of web applications, Ext JS, Sencha and what those can bring to Delphi community,

Register here:
https://community.embarcadero.com/all-events/viewevent/1490-unigui-web-app-development
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A Kitto webinar is also forthcoming, for all interested people: https://register.gotowebinar.com/rt/7927033919135268097
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