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Erick Engelke

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  Posted: Jun 3, 2017 3:52 PM
FMX for linux is available for a yearly or one time fee. It's in Embarcadero's interest to license it and distribute it. Tell them that when they ask for your renewal or before.

I started the earlier thread asking for basic linux support in Pro. Well, Linux FMX is a reason to pay more, but I don't want to pay for .the higher priced Delphi just to get the Linux compiler, and then pay still again more for FMX4Linux. That would add thousands of dollars just to get basic FMX linux capability.

I think basic Linux + FMX should be an incremental upgrade on Pro. Maybe $500 for the two of them.
What's going to happen when they do IoT, many of which run Linux better than Chrome.

How many of us develop for Android and iOS with Delphi? I haven't seen a surge of Delphi apps at the app stores. But Linux would be attractive and it's got the memory to deal with the largish Delphi apps.

I think the FMX4Linux folks have done a great service in making it available at a premium. Those who need it now can license it now. The rest of us can drool at the possibility, but the ball is in the vendor's court to make this mainstream.

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  Posted: Jun 3, 2017 4:09 PM   in response to: Erick Engelke in response to: Erick Engelke
N/A Programmer wrote:
FMX for linux is available for a yearly or one time fee. It's in Embarcadero's interest to license it and distribute it. Tell them that when they ask for your renewal or before.

The URL is https://www.fmxlinux.com
I have nothing to do with the people or company. They are Ex embaracadero people. I can't wait to start using it.

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  Posted: Jun 4, 2017 2:28 AM   in response to: Erick Engelke in response to: Erick Engelke
N/A Programmer wrote:

N/A Programmer wrote:
FMX for linux is available for a yearly or one time fee. It's in
Embarcadero's interest to license it and distribute it. Tell
them that when they ask for your renewal or before.

The URL is https://www.fmxlinux.com
I have nothing to do with the people or company. They are Ex
embaracadero people. I can't wait to start using it.

I wonder if they are allowed to market it as FireMonkey for Linux,
actually. And how do they distribute it? With source? If so, are they
allowed to distribute that source?

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Eivind Bakkestuen


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  Posted: Jun 4, 2017 4:06 AM   in response to: Rudy Velthuis (... in response to: Rudy Velthuis (...
actually. And how do they distribute it? With source? If so, are they
allowed to distribute that source?

Are you saying they didn't write the code themselves?

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  Posted: Jun 4, 2017 10:04 AM   in response to: Eivind Bakkestuen in response to: Eivind Bakkestuen
Eivind Bakkestuen wrote:

actually. And how do they distribute it? With source? If so, are
they allowed to distribute that source?

Are you saying they didn't write the code themselves?

Are you saying they entirely re-wrote FireMonkey? If so, then I still
wonder if they are allowed to market it as FireMonkey for Linux. If
not, then what about the sources?

Or do they just distribute patches to the existing FireMonkey code?

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Dominique Willems

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Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
Are you saying they entirely re-wrote FireMonkey?

Well, we're talking about Kryokov, so he did write the original
FireMonkey.
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Dominique Willems wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
Are you saying they entirely re-wrote FireMonkey?

Well, we're talking about Kryokov, so he did write the original
FireMonkey.

I know. So you think he just rewrote it from scratch, for this purpose?

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Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
I know. So you think he just rewrote it from scratch, for this
purpose?

I'm still wishing he had never sold out to EMBT and had continued
developing it all by his lonesome self, so I'm just erasing the last
five years from memory.

You were saying?
Mike Margerum

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  Posted: Jun 5, 2017 5:37 AM   in response to: Dominique Willems in response to: Dominique Willems
You were saying?

Agreed. The idea had so much potential. The execution has been awful.
I hope he did rewrite it and I hope he gets it running on freepascal.
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Mike Margerum wrote:
I hope he gets it running on
freepascal.

Exactly

It did run on Freepascal in its infancy, IIRC.
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Are you saying they entirely re-wrote FireMonkey?

I asked you a question; no point in asking questions back.

Or do they just distribute patches to the existing FireMonkey code?

I don't have the product, but below are two quotes, one from their web
page, and one from the bug tracker. Looks like it is not a rewritten
from scratch product, but given one ends up with the patched source, no
big problem.

I'm also going to make a guess and say Embarcadero is quietly cheering
them on; anything that can help sell Enterprise licenses will be good
in their view. Raising a stink due to the naming would likely be
totally counterproductive.

" Brand-new implementations of FireMonkey for Linux, tightly integrated
with the native linux runtime."

"FmxLinux doesn't patch compiler, it patches FMX sources."

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Eivind Bakkestuen wrote:

" Brand-new implementations of FireMonkey for Linux, tightly
integrated with the native linux runtime."

"FmxLinux doesn't patch compiler, it patches FMX sources."

So, patches after all. Of course not of the compiler. OK, that makes
sense.

Thanks for the info.

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Douglas Rudd

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"FmxLinux doesn't patch compiler, it patches FMX sources."

Firemonkey is architected is such a way that all you have to do to add another platform is to make a unit that does the drawing, like lines and text and fill, for that particular OS. The higher level units have all the generic procedures like Canvas.DrawLine. Those call the individual platform units that actually draw the line on that hardware. For instance, FMX.Platform.Android.pas
Or printing and other OS stuff.

He is only patching some other units so they will be able to call the new OS Platform units.
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  Posted: Jun 9, 2017 9:47 AM   in response to: Douglas Rudd in response to: Douglas Rudd
Douglas Rudd wrote:

"FmxLinux doesn't patch compiler, it patches FMX sources."

Firemonkey is architected is such a way that all you have to do to
add another platform is to make a unit that does the drawing, like
lines and text and fill, for that particular OS. The higher level
units have all the generic procedures like Canvas.DrawLine. Those
call the individual platform units that actually draw the line on
that hardware. For instance, FMX.Platform.Android.pas Or printing and
other OS stuff.

He is only patching some other units so they will be able to call the
new OS Platform units.

Yes, I understood that.

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  Posted: Jun 3, 2017 11:25 PM   in response to: Erick Engelke in response to: Erick Engelke
Am 04.06.2017 um 00:52 schrieb N/A Programmer:

How many of us develop for Android and iOS with Delphi? I haven't seen a surge of Delphi apps at the app stores.

I do. My biggest app, development halted due to more important other
things but will be resumed has 55 KLoc already, but it most likely will
not make it into the store as it might be distributed otherwise.

And how would you identify Delphi build apps in the store anyway?

I do think a Linux AddOn package for pro would be a good thing, but I
also think that quite some folks do mobile development with Delphi right
now. If you read the FMX newsgroup on this server you will find out that
the majority of questions there are in context of mobile projects.

Greetingas

Markus
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Markus Humm wrote:
Am 04.06.2017 um 00:52 schrieb N/A Programmer:

How many of us develop for Android and iOS with Delphi? I haven't seen a surge of Delphi apps at the app stores.

I do. My biggest app, development halted due to more important other
things but will be resumed has 55 KLoc already, but it most likely will
not make it into the store as it might be distributed otherwise.

And how would you identify Delphi build apps in the store anyway?

I do think a Linux AddOn package for pro would be a good thing, but I
also think that quite some folks do mobile development with Delphi right
now. If you read the FMX newsgroup on this server you will find out that
the majority of questions there are in context of mobile projects.

Greetingas

Markus
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  Posted: Jun 4, 2017 12:57 AM   in response to: Markus Humm in response to: Markus Humm
And how would you identify Delphi build apps in the store anyway?

try doing a search, in the play store, for, com.embarcadero
;)
Erick Engelke

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Brian Hamilton Hamilton wrote:
And how would you identify Delphi build apps in the store anyway?

try doing a search, in the play store, for, com.embarcadero

I stand corrected, and I'm happy to hear that.

With anything larger than trivial apps, I ran into compatibility problems on various phones during testing stage but honestly that was two or three years ago, with people having then-3 year old phones. BUT, that is ancient history in computing terms. I will revisit that market.

Still, I think the idea of a getting to Linux desktop platform many developers would be good. FMX4Linux also reestablishes a reason for Pro users to want to deploy to linux without needing a Delphi enterprise - you don't need to do database work with FMX4Linux. Whether it be included with Pro, or a $500 add-on, it should be more reachable than it is today.

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FMX4Linux

It is called FMXLinux not FMX4Linux.

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Am 04.06.2017 um 09:57 schrieb Brian Hamilton Hamilton:
And how would you identify Delphi build apps in the store anyway?

try doing a search, in the play store, for, com.embarcadero
;)

Hm?
You refer to some identifyier in the version ressources of the app.
Right? But that can and should be changed when you create a new project!
So only those Delphi apps will be found by your search where the
developer forgot this or didn't know about this, correct?

Greetings

Markus
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Markus Humm wrote:

But that can and should be changed when you create a new project!

Indeed it should.

So only those Delphi apps will be found by your search where the
developer forgot this or didn't know about this, correct?

Of which there are over 200.

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Am 04.06.2017 um 23:47 schrieb Dave Nottage (TeamB):
Markus Humm wrote:

But that can and should be changed when you create a new project!

Indeed it should.

So only those Delphi apps will be found by your search where the
developer forgot this or didn't know about this, correct?

Of which there are over 200.

Hm, wouldn't that mean that there are up to 200 people not knowing yet
that they should change that identifyier? ;-)

Greetings

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Markus Humm wrote:
Am 04.06.2017 um 09:57 schrieb Brian Hamilton Hamilton:
And how would you identify Delphi build apps in the store anyway?

try doing a search, in the play store, for, com.embarcadero
;)

Hm?
You refer to some identifyier in the version ressources of the app.
Right? But that can and should be changed when you create a new project!
So only those Delphi apps will be found by your search where the
developer forgot this or didn't know about this, correct?

Greetings

Markus
yes, I do realise all that
but it is amazing how many are using the default, and so can be used as a guide
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Am 04.06.2017 um 23:48 schrieb Brian Hamilton Hamilton:
Markus Humm wrote:
Am 04.06.2017 um 09:57 schrieb Brian Hamilton Hamilton:
And how would you identify Delphi build apps in the store anyway?

try doing a search, in the play store, for, com.embarcadero
;)

Hm?
You refer to some identifyier in the version ressources of the app.
Right? But that can and should be changed when you create a new project!
So only those Delphi apps will be found by your search where the
developer forgot this or didn't know about this, correct?

Greetings

Markus
yes, I do realise all that
but it is amazing how many are using the default, and so can be used as a guide

I understand. I wouldn't have expected 200 entries alone with that default.

Greetings

Markus
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  Posted: Jun 6, 2017 8:36 PM   in response to: Erick Engelke in response to: Erick Engelke
N/A Programmer wrote:

How many of us develop for Android and iOS with Delphi? I haven't seen a surge of Delphi apps at the app stores.

How are you checking the app store for delphi apps?
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Am 07.06.2017 um 05:36 schrieb Jeremy North:
N/A Programmer wrote:

How many of us develop for Android and iOS with Delphi? I haven't seen a surge of Delphi apps at the app stores.

How are you checking the app store for delphi apps?

If you read the thread I guess you (not sure if the post revealing this
was in this one) could find out that he searched for com.embarcadero as
publisher as about 200 publishers didn't seem to bother or know about
replacing that.

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If you read the thread I guess you (not sure if the post revealing this
was in this one) could find out that he searched for com.embarcadero as
publisher as about 200 publishers didn't seem to bother or know about
replacing that.

and then if you can work out the ratio of people who replace that with their own to who do not you could get a better estimate ;)
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Markus Humm wrote:

How are you checking the app store for delphi apps?

If you read the thread I guess you (not sure if the post revealing this
was in this one) could find out that he searched for com.embarcadero as
publisher as about 200 publishers didn't seem to bother or know about
replacing that.

That's for Google Play. You have to change the BundleIdentifier for the Apple app store.

If everyone changed it for Google Play, there'd be zero way of telling via a search whether or not an app was made with
Delphi.

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  Posted: Jun 9, 2017 8:40 AM   in response to: Markus Humm in response to: Markus Humm
If you read the thread I guess you (not sure if the post revealing this
was in this one) could find out that he searched for com.embarcadero as
publisher as about 200 publishers didn't seem to bother or know about
replacing that.

I have several apps in the store and at least one of them has com.embarcadero.
It's easy to forget, and you can't change it afterward.

If there are 200 com.embarcadero then there must be 600 other ones that did it right.
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  Posted: Jun 7, 2017 12:18 PM   in response to: Erick Engelke in response to: Erick Engelke
N/A Programmer wrote:
FMX for linux is available for a yearly or one time fee. It's in Embarcadero's interest to license it and distribute it. Tell them that when they ask for your renewal or before.
...
I think basic Linux + FMX should be an incremental upgrade on Pro. Maybe $500 for the two of them.
What's going to happen when they do IoT, many of which run Linux better than Chrome.

I renegotiated my Embarcadero license yesterday. I had RadStudio but never used C++ anymore, so I switched to Delphi Enterprise which
left a difference of $500. I still had to pay another $500 for FMXLinux, but it wasn't as bad as paying for Rad Enterprise + FMXLinux
which would have been totalling $1500 on top of Pro.

For anyone contemplating the Linux switchover with FMXLinux, I'd be happy to tell you any details you want to know.

Anyone can download the demo - it appears complete but with a nag screen, so you can evaluate it. You need an Enterprise or
Architect version of Delphi to compile for it. The FMXLinux installer sets up Delphi perfectly to install GUI apps. No effort needed on your part. It really is seamless.

Hello World (Debug version) is about 33 MB + a 3.5 MB .SO file. But it loads quickly. The RELEASE version is 12MB. You will get purists complaining, but this is entirely reasonable in my opinion.

Performance seems excellent. I'm running in a VirtualBox VM on a Mac and it appears to use the hardware correctly. Only trick I had to do was concerning the Window VM (for Delphi) and Ubuntu getting the same IP address. That was resolved quickly.

I tried with Ubuntu 17.04 in a VM, no issues. It worked exactly as hoped.

I tried it with FreeBSD 11 AMD64 but the default emulation Clib is for Centos 6 which is too old, and Centos 7 emulation claims the latest 11 kenerl release is too old. If I went with current I think it would work.

Unfortuantely I don't read all the posts here, if you have a specific question then Email me and I will reply.

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N/A Programmer wrote:
N/A Programmer wrote:
FMX for linux is available for a yearly or one time fee. It's in Embarcadero's interest to license it and distribute it. Tell them that when they ask for your renewal or before.
...
I think basic Linux + FMX should be an incremental upgrade on Pro. Maybe $500 for the two of them.
What's going to happen when they do IoT, many of which run Linux better than Chrome.

I renegotiated my Embarcadero license yesterday. I had RadStudio but never used C++ anymore, so I switched to Delphi Enterprise which
left a difference of $500. I still had to pay another $500 for FMXLinux, but it wasn't as bad as paying for Rad Enterprise + FMXLinux
which would have been totalling $1500 on top of Pro.

I would have loved to be able to get linux gui
but the quote I had to upgrade to enterprise was like 2000$
that is out of my reach
I have even let me SA lapse now too
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Brian Hamilton Hamilton wrote:
N/A Programmer wrote:
N/A Programmer wrote:
FMX for linux is available for a yearly or one time fee. It's in Embarcadero's interest to license it and distribute it. Tell them that when they ask for your renewal or before.
...
I think basic Linux + FMX should be an incremental upgrade on Pro. Maybe $500 for the two of them.
What's going to happen when they do IoT, many of which run Linux better than Chrome.

I renegotiated my Embarcadero license yesterday. I had RadStudio but never used C++ anymore, so I switched to Delphi Enterprise which
left a difference of $500. I still had to pay another $500 for FMXLinux, but it wasn't as bad as paying for Rad Enterprise + FMXLinux
which would have been totalling $1500 on top of Pro.

I would have loved to be able to get linux gui
but the quote I had to upgrade to enterprise was like 2000$
that is out of my reach
I have even let me SA lapse now too

Currencies are confusing because I was quoted in $US and I pay in $Canadian.
Delphi Ent upgrade + 1 year subscription is $1800
Delphi Pro 1 year renewal is around $1000

So it is about $800 difference
You can license a 1 year copy of FMXLinux for $350 US.

I don't know what taxes you would pay on top, but that places Linux at about $1150 more than you expected to pay for your Pro renewal.

Erick

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Re: encourage Embarcadero to license FireMonkey for Linux
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  Posted: Jun 8, 2017 2:51 PM   in response to: Erick Engelke in response to: Erick Engelke
N/A Programmer wrote:

Last night I converted an app that was already Win/OSX/Android to also be Linux GUI.
It was almost as easy as you would hope. Within about 10 minutes I had the GUI working under
Linux.

Only major problems were:
- I don't think ansistrings are available in Linux - they are in OS/X if you include the right unit.
- I haven't figured out some system calls (specifically _system() which I could call under OS/X), I'll have to do some research

So the GUI was not the problem for me, the product works as advertised.

The included examples were good, and the public video showing you all you need to do.


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