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Bear Xu

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  Posted: Apr 22, 2017 7:18 PM
Hi,

Have to talk about Delphi price again. :)

The discounted upgrade price for Enterprise is 2985 USD (20,000 RMB), and it is only before 2017/05/07
while the price on embarcadero website is : $2,188.80.
China Price is 136% than that in USA.
There is 17% tax for Chinese software product.

I have to wait to next major release, since i do not need Linux urgently.
For those need Linux feature and Beacon feature, maybe it is a good price.

I hope the price policy is fair, so more people could use latest Delphi, to increase the user base.
I am a manager for the software product, I found the delphi issue is it is not easy to find Delphi developer.

Delphi is a great product, I really hope Embarcadero could make good price policy and hire more good marketing people for China.

"Cheaper, Better, Faster", Delphi got two, still need the first one, Cheaper. :)
The high price could generate benefit for each sales, but it is not good to build an ECO system.

Thanks

warm regards,
Bear

Jan Martin Pett...

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  Posted: Apr 24, 2017 12:33 AM   in response to: Bear Xu in response to: Bear Xu
Bear Xu wrote:
Hi,

Have to talk about Delphi price again. :)

The discounted upgrade price for Enterprise is 2985 USD (20,000 RMB), and it is only before 2017/05/07
while the price on embarcadero website is : $2,188.80.
China Price is 136% than that in USA.
There is 17% tax for Chinese software product.

I have to wait to next major release, since i do not need Linux urgently.
For those need Linux feature and Beacon feature, maybe it is a good price.

I hope the price policy is fair, so more people could use latest Delphi, to increase the user base.
I am a manager for the software product, I found the delphi issue is it is not easy to find Delphi developer.

Delphi is a great product, I really hope Embarcadero could make good price policy and hire more good marketing people for China.

"Cheaper, Better, Faster", Delphi got two, still need the first one, Cheaper. :)
The high price could generate benefit for each sales, but it is not good to build an ECO system.

Thanks

warm regards,
Bear

I guess it is much higher than USA just about everywhere.
This includes Europe, Australia etc.

The initial purchase is horribly expensive, but renewing the following yearly subscription/SA (1 year is included in the purchase) is cheaper.
It gets even cheaper if you don't purchase the optional premium subscription (additional incidents, coderage pass, beta invites).
Arthur Hoornweg

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Jan Martin Pettersen wrote:

The initial purchase is horribly expensive, but renewing the following yearly subscription/SA (1 year is included in the purchase) is cheaper.

Prices in the Netherlands (add ~9% to get the prices in USD)

Delphi 10.2 Tokyo Enterprise Upgrade - Named License (Upgrade) € 2.517,30
Delphi 10.2 Tokyo Enterprise - Named License (Full-Version) € 3.636,90
RAD Studio 10.2 Tokyo Enterprise - Named License - Upgrade (Upgrade) € 3.244,50
RAD Studio 10.2 Tokyo Enterprise - Named License (Full-Version) € 4.365,00

We don't develop for mobile and we have stopped upgrading after XE5.

Edmund Wong

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Jan Martin Pettersen wrote:
I guess it is much higher than USA just about everywhere.
This includes Europe, Australia etc.

The initial purchase is horribly expensive, but renewing the following yearly subscription/SA (1 year is included in the purchase) is cheaper.

That initial mountain is the first thing you need to climb and once
you've climbed this mountain, you need to stay on it so ensure you
have enough resources to stay on. Once you leave the mountain,
you'll need more resolve (and $$$) to climb it again.

I'm still on XE7 and RAD Studio Ent has gotten a tad bit more
expensive than I can handle. Which is unfortunate.

Edmund
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Edmund Wong wrote:
Jan Martin Pettersen wrote:
I guess it is much higher than USA just about everywhere.
This includes Europe, Australia etc.

The initial purchase is horribly expensive, but renewing the following yearly subscription/SA (1 year is included in the purchase) is cheaper.

That initial mountain is the first thing you need to climb and once
you've climbed this mountain, you need to stay on it so ensure you
have enough resources to stay on. Once you leave the mountain,
you'll need more resolve (and $$$) to climb it again.

I'm still on XE7 and RAD Studio Ent has gotten a tad bit more
expensive than I can handle. Which is unfortunate.

Edmund
So true..
Earlier I upgraded every few releases (no SA), so when I did the latest upgrade I
had to "upgrade" from RAD Studio XE6 to Delphi Berlin because of price.
The Delphi Berlin upgrade was just about the same price as RAD Studio XE6.

Still, the subscription/SA renewal proved to be a different animal.
My first renewal was about 35-40% of the Delphi Berlin upgrade price.
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  Posted: Apr 24, 2017 6:51 AM   in response to: Bear Xu in response to: Bear Xu
Devaluation of the RMB. This price is more or less just normal and pretty much the same all over the places around the world.

If I would be a more or less advanced hobbyist I'd very likely suffer the weaker EURO vs. the USD. When the dollar is low prices do rise when the local currency devalues prices tend to double for a while.

RAD Studio is pretty American product. We will see how far we will come with IoT and such things here in Austria. At the moment the demand for such seemingly 'toyish' features simply does fairly exist.

More and more we are facing a division by culture and priorities concerning enjoying life outside consumption. This trend is on the way, it's inevitable and irreversible.

Bear Xu wrote:
Hi,

Have to talk about Delphi price again. :)

The discounted upgrade price for Enterprise is 2985 USD (20,000 RMB), and it is only before 2017/05/07
while the price on embarcadero website is : $2,188.80.
China Price is 136% than that in USA.
There is 17% tax for Chinese software product.

I have to wait to next major release, since i do not need Linux urgently.
For those need Linux feature and Beacon feature, maybe it is a good price.

I hope the price policy is fair, so more people could use latest Delphi, to increase the user base.
I am a manager for the software product, I found the delphi issue is it is not easy to find Delphi developer.

Delphi is a great product, I really hope Embarcadero could make good price policy and hire more good marketing people for China.

"Cheaper, Better, Faster", Delphi got two, still need the first one, Cheaper. :)
The high price could generate benefit for each sales, but it is not good to build an ECO system.

Thanks

warm regards,
Bear


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  Posted: Apr 25, 2017 3:38 AM   in response to: Bear Xu in response to: Bear Xu
Bear Xu wrote:

Hi,

Have to talk about Delphi price again. :)

Companies charge for their products the price they
think/guess/calculate they can get away with. That is true for many
products. A McDonald's hamburger doesn't cost the same in each country
either, nor does an iPad or a Volkswagen.
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ever conceived." -- Isaac Asimov"
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Am 25.04.2017 um 12:38 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Bear Xu wrote:

Hi,

Have to talk about Delphi price again. :)

Companies charge for their products the price they
think/guess/calculate they can get away with. That is true for many
products. A McDonald's hamburger doesn't cost the same in each country
either, nor does an iPad or a Volkswagen.

Hello,

as for McDonalds Hamburger: the raw materials do cost differently in
each country.

For software that's not true. Only the money needed for running a
subsidiary and the tax levels are different. The product itsself is
digital and can thus "freely" copied as often as desired only causing
electical bills and those for communication. But those are mnost likely
payed in the country where the software is from.

So your comparison only partly catches...

Greetings

Markus
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Markus Humm wrote:

Am 25.04.2017 um 12:38 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Bear Xu wrote:

Hi,

Have to talk about Delphi price again. :)

Companies charge for their products the price they
think/guess/calculate they can get away with. That is true for many
products. A McDonald's hamburger doesn't cost the same in each
country either, nor does an iPad or a Volkswagen.

Hello,

as for McDonalds Hamburger: the raw materials do cost differently in
each country.

Ah, but that is very likely not so important in how the price is
determined.
--
Rudy Velthuis http://www.rvelthuis.de

"Wherever there is great property, there is great inequality,
for one very rich man; there must be at least five hundred
poor."
-- Adam Smith
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Am 26.04.2017 um 11:56 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Markus Humm wrote:

Am 25.04.2017 um 12:38 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Bear Xu wrote:

Hi,

Have to talk about Delphi price again. :)

Companies charge for their products the price they
think/guess/calculate they can get away with. That is true for many
products. A McDonald's hamburger doesn't cost the same in each
country either, nor does an iPad or a Volkswagen.

Hello,

as for McDonalds Hamburger: the raw materials do cost differently in
each country.

Ah, but that is very likely not so important in how the price is
determined.

How's that? You mean they're only responsible for a small fraction of
the price? But in comparison to such expensive software like Delphi and
the cost of sending its bits and bytes to somewhere the fraction is way
bigger.

Greetings

Markus
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Markus Humm wrote:

Am 26.04.2017 um 11:56 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Markus Humm wrote:

Am 25.04.2017 um 12:38 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Bear Xu wrote:

Hi,

Have to talk about Delphi price again. :)

Companies charge for their products the price they
think/guess/calculate they can get away with. That is true for
many >>> products. A McDonald's hamburger doesn't cost the same in
each >>> country either, nor does an iPad or a Volkswagen.

Hello,

as for McDonalds Hamburger: the raw materials do cost differently
in >> each country.

Ah, but that is very likely not so important in how the price is
determined.

How's that? You mean they're only responsible for a small fraction of
the price?

Price is generally determined by the market, not by the cost of
production.

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Electricity Board said He would have to wait until Thursday to be
connected." -- Spike Milligan.
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Am 27.04.2017 um 08:14 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Markus Humm wrote:


Hello,

as for McDonalds Hamburger: the raw materials do cost differently
in >> each country.

Ah, but that is very likely not so important in how the price is
determined.

How's that? You mean they're only responsible for a small fraction of
the price?

Price is generally determined by the market, not by the cost of
production.

Not always. If no market price higher than the cost of manufacturing can
be had, most vendors will stop selling the product and then there's no
price at all. You can claim now that market did this, but that's
debateable. And some services (who are products as well) have no market
price. Most of those come from the state sector...

And sometimes one has the feeling that in health sector not all prices
are really market driven, especially if there's no available substitute
for something.

Greetings

Markus
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Am 26.04.2017 um 11:56 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Markus Humm wrote:

Am 25.04.2017 um 12:38 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Bear Xu wrote:

Hi,

Have to talk about Delphi price again. :)

Companies charge for their products the price they
think/guess/calculate they can get away with. That is true for many
products. A McDonald's hamburger doesn't cost the same in each
country either, nor does an iPad or a Volkswagen.

Hello,

as for McDonalds Hamburger: the raw materials do cost differently in
each country.

Ah, but that is very likely not so important in how the price is
determined.

Btw.- more new spam over in the Android group.
I know you're most likely not the only one removing spam there and
you're not always there, but you're the only one I know about
currently ;-)

Greetings

Markus
Charles Dupont

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Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
Markus Humm wrote:

Am 25.04.2017 um 12:38 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Bear Xu wrote:

Hi,

Have to talk about Delphi price again. :)

Companies charge for their products the price they
think/guess/calculate they can get away with. That is true for many
products. A McDonald's hamburger doesn't cost the same in each
country either, nor does an iPad or a Volkswagen.

Hello,

as for McDonalds Hamburger: the raw materials do cost differently in
each country.

Ah, but that is very likely not so important in how the price is
determined.
--
Rudy Velthuis http://www.rvelthuis.de

"Wherever there is great property, there is great inequality,
for one very rich man; there must be at least five hundred
poor."
-- Adam Smith

Funny quote to follow up your comment with.

Rudy is correct, the price is determined by market preferences.

How's that?

Because value is subjective. The price of a good is determined by the subjective valuations of consumers, the values of the factors of production are imputed from those consumer valuations. In other words, the cost of a product is not the sum of the cost of the inputs + interest (aka, the labor theory of value) - rather, the costs of the inputs are determined by the value of the final product.

Rudy's quote is funny because Adam Smith was a proponent of the LTV in the 18th C. before it was debunked in the 19th C when Jevons, Menger, and Walras kicked off the 'subjective revolution.'
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Am 26.04.2017 um 19:00 schrieb Charles Dupont:
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
Markus Humm wrote:

Am 25.04.2017 um 12:38 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Bear Xu wrote:

Hi,

Have to talk about Delphi price again. :)

Companies charge for their products the price they
think/guess/calculate they can get away with. That is true for many
products. A McDonald's hamburger doesn't cost the same in each
country either, nor does an iPad or a Volkswagen.

Hello,

as for McDonalds Hamburger: the raw materials do cost differently in
each country.

Ah, but that is very likely not so important in how the price is
determined.
--
Rudy Velthuis http://www.rvelthuis.de

Rudy is correct, the price is determined by market preferences.

How's that?

Because value is subjective. The price of a good is determined by the subjective valuations of consumers, the values of the factors of production are imputed from those consumer valuations. In other words, the cost of a product is not the sum of the cost of the inputs + interest (aka, the labor theory of value) - rather, the costs of the inputs are determined by the value of the final product.

No that cannot be 100% correct.
Because if you follow that strictly you might end up selling products
below their manufacturing costs and thus go bancrupt. Quiote a lot of
companies already did so.

Of course the cost of the final product is influenced by the value the
customer sees in it. But that's only part of the equation.

Greetings

Markus
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Markus Humm wrote:

Am 26.04.2017 um 19:00 schrieb Charles Dupont:
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
Markus Humm wrote:

Am 25.04.2017 um 12:38 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Bear Xu wrote:

Hi,

Have to talk about Delphi price again. :)

Companies charge for their products the price they
think/guess/calculate they can get away with. That is true for
many >>>> products. A McDonald's hamburger doesn't cost the same in
each >>>> country either, nor does an iPad or a Volkswagen.

Hello,

as for McDonalds Hamburger: the raw materials do cost differently
in >>> each country.

Ah, but that is very likely not so important in how the price is
determined.
--
Rudy Velthuis http://www.rvelthuis.de

Rudy is correct, the price is determined by market preferences.

How's that?

Because value is subjective. The price of a good is determined by
the subjective valuations of consumers, the values of the factors
of production are imputed from those consumer valuations. In other
words, the cost of a product is not the sum of the cost of the
inputs + interest (aka, the labor theory of value) - rather, the
costs of the inputs are determined by the value of the final
product.

No that cannot be 100% correct.
Because if you follow that strictly you might end up selling products
below their manufacturing costs

No, you may not. If the manufactoring cost is too high for you to be
able to sell them, you simply don't produce them.

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Rudy

I think many here are ignoring the point that you already gave the true answer - "what you can get away with"

No, you may not. If the manufactoring cost is too high for you to be
able to sell them, you simply don't produce them.

In an ideal world I'd agree but there are many who operate the "I'm making a loss on this so I have to sell more" or the "how can I get VCs / crowdfunding to give me more money" models. Sometimes the latter model works eg Amazon, Facebook and possibly Uber

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Roy Lambert wrote:

Rudy

I think many here are ignoring the point that you already gave the
true answer - "what you can get away with"

No, you may not. If the manufactoring cost is too high for you to be
able to sell them, you simply don't produce them.

In an ideal world I'd agree but there are many who operate the "I'm
making a loss on this so I have to sell more" or the "how can I get
VCs / crowdfunding to give me more money" models.

Sure. I am not saying that people can't be wrong or don't make bad
decisions.

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Am 27.04.2017 um 08:33 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
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No that cannot be 100% correct.
Because if you follow that strictly you might end up selling products
below their manufacturing costs

No, you may not. If the manufactoring cost is too high for you to be
able to sell them, you simply don't produce them.

Tell this to all those bancrupt companies who didn't follow that ,logic
and produced too long selling too long for too low cost.

Greetings

Markus
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Markus Humm wrote:

No, you may not. If the manufactoring cost is too high for you to be
able to sell them, you simply don't produce them.

Tell this to all those bancrupt companies who didn't follow that
,logic and produced too long selling too long for too low cost.

Well, even such companies can make mistakes or have incompetent
management. <shrug>

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Funny quote to follow up your comment with.

That's Colin's (the author of XanaNews) AI striking again.

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Ah, but that is very likely not so important in how the price is
determined.

For "physical" products raw materials and labour are much more important than for digital products. A digital product like Delphi needs not be written for each user individually.

Pricing is a sensitive balance between milking the users and maximizing the size of the user base. Personally I think the balance has tipped much too far to the left of the equation. Especially for users and companies that target Windows only.

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Arthur Hoornweg wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

Ah, but that is very likely not so important in how the price is
determined.

For "physical" products raw materials and labour are much more
important than for digital products. A digital product like Delphi
needs not be written for each user individually.

Neither do industrially produced items. The cost of production is
usually much lower than their price.
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Am 29.04.2017 um 05:33 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Arthur Hoornweg wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

Ah, but that is very likely not so important in how the price is
determined.

For "physical" products raw materials and labour are much more
important than for digital products. A digital product like Delphi
needs not be written for each user individually.

Neither do industrially produced items. The cost of production is
usually much lower than their price.

Yes but: for digital products there are the following costs:

- development
- sales and marketing
- general cost to run a company
- digital distribution, which is cheap nowadays, cheaper then
sending a parcel to somewhere

for industrially producted goods the cost breakdown has some additional
categories which do add cost:

- raw materials
- production and maintaining production equipment
- physical distribution
- maybe increased bureaucracy for customs declaration etc.

So items like raw materials and production cost, while often being only
some part of the product price, do increase it and do influence it and
this might be higher than you see.

Greetings

Markus
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  Posted: Apr 29, 2017 4:26 AM   in response to: Markus Humm in response to: Markus Humm
Markus Humm wrote:

Am 29.04.2017 um 05:33 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Arthur Hoornweg wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

Ah, but that is very likely not so important in how the price is
determined.

For "physical" products raw materials and labour are much more
important than for digital products. A digital product like Delphi
needs not be written for each user individually.

Neither do industrially produced items. The cost of production is
usually much lower than their price.

Yes but: for digital products there are the following costs:

- development
- sales and marketing
- general cost to run a company
- digital distribution, which is cheap nowadays, cheaper then
sending a parcel to somewhere

for industrially producted goods the cost breakdown has some
additional categories which do add cost:

- raw materials
- production and maintaining production equipment
- physical distribution
- maybe increased bureaucracy for customs declaration etc.

So items like raw materials and production cost, while often being
only some part of the product price, do increase it and do influence
it and this might be higher than you see.

Well, as a vendor of goods, you can either: raise the price, with the
problem that (not enough) people may be able or willing to afford your
product, risking that you don't make enough money on the product, or
you adjust the price to the market, which can mean that production
costs don't leave a big enough margin for your to survive. Then it is
your decision what you do.

That is always the difficulty of establishing a price for what you
sell. Some do it right, others don't and fail. ISTM that Embarcadero
had one it it right, so far, even if people complain (there will always
be people complaining, so they'll have to live with that).

What I said near the beginning of this thread still applies: you charge
what you think you can get away with. How much that is can differ
between countries and is not so easy to assess either.

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Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
Markus Humm wrote:

as for McDonalds Hamburger: the raw materials do cost differently in
each country.

Ah, but that is very likely not so important in how the price is
determined.

There is actually an economic index based on the price of a hamburger.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Mac_Index

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  Posted: May 18, 2017 7:22 AM   in response to: Lars Fosdal in response to: Lars Fosdal
Lars

That's sort of brilliant - at last one area where $1 <> £1

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  Posted: May 18, 2017 8:30 AM   in response to: Lars Fosdal in response to: Lars Fosdal
Lars Fosdal wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
Markus Humm wrote:

as for McDonalds Hamburger: the raw materials do cost differently
in each country.

Ah, but that is very likely not so important in how the price is
determined.

There is actually an economic index based on the price of a hamburger.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Mac_Index

I know. One of the reasons I came up with that example. <g>

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  Posted: Apr 26, 2017 12:13 PM   in response to: Bear Xu in response to: Bear Xu
And we beat you all!

Unfortunatelly you're not in Brazil!

Enterprise SKU is about 5962.09 US ( or 5476.65 Euro)

I guess we're just lucky

Clément
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  Posted: May 4, 2017 3:29 PM   in response to: Clement Doss in response to: Clement Doss
Clement Doss wrote:
And we beat you all!

Unfortunatelly you're not in Brazil!

Enterprise SKU is about 5962.09 US ( or 5476.65 Euro)

I guess we're just lucky

Clément

This has been like that since Borland times back in 90's. Brazil could be a huge market for Delphi but they prefer to have a huge number of pirated copies there.

PS: Nobody, and I mean it, could ever give me any reasonable explanation for that.
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  Posted: May 5, 2017 5:53 AM   in response to: Alexandre Machado in response to: Alexandre Machado
Alexandre Machado wrote:
Clement Doss wrote:
And we beat you all!

Unfortunatelly you're not in Brazil!

Enterprise SKU is about 5962.09 US ( or 5476.65 Euro)

I guess we're just lucky

Clément

This has been like that since Borland times back in 90's. Brazil could be a huge market for Delphi but they prefer to have a huge number of pirated copies there.

PS: Nobody, and I mean it, could ever give me any reasonable explanation for that.
They've done at least three things since RAD Studio 2010.

1. Fake EUR 1 = USD 1 conversion (for Europe, maybe they do/did something similar for that country).
2. High price increases on every release, even if there are/were multiple releases in the same year.
3. Include VAT whether or not they're registered for VAT payment in the target country.
(they don't seem to be registered for VAT payment in my country, so..additional money in their pockets?)

Here the Tokyo Enterprise New User/Upgrade full price is EUR 6062.50/EUR 4506.25.
Their limited time offer (before May 31) is EUR 5051.25/EUR 3496.25.
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Jan Martin Pettersen wrote:
Alexandre Machado wrote:
Clement Doss wrote:
And we beat you all!

Unfortunatelly you're not in Brazil!

Enterprise SKU is about 5962.09 US ( or 5476.65 Euro)

I guess we're just lucky

Clément

This has been like that since Borland times back in 90's. Brazil could be a huge market for Delphi but they prefer to have a huge number of pirated copies there.

PS: Nobody, and I mean it, could ever give me any reasonable explanation for that.
They've done at least three things since RAD Studio 2010.

1. Fake EUR 1 = USD 1 conversion (for Europe, maybe they do/did something similar for that country).
2. High price increases on every release, even if there are/were multiple releases in the same year.
3. Include VAT whether or not they're registered for VAT payment in the target country.
(they don't seem to be registered for VAT payment in my country, so..additional money in their pockets?)

Here the Tokyo Enterprise New User/Upgrade full price is EUR 6062.50/EUR 4506.25.
Their limited time offer (before May 31) is EUR 5051.25/EUR 3496.25.

Yes, I know that they do EUR 1 = USD 1 in Europe and this causes distorted prices. However, the situation in Brazil is unexplainable from any perspective. I believe that the local Borland/CodeGear/Embarcadero/Whatever local representative has perpetual rights over Delphi sales in Brazil and can determine Delphi prices there. That's the only possible explanation.
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  Posted: Apr 27, 2017 4:13 PM   in response to: Bear Xu in response to: Bear Xu
I already made an order to make my Delphi go from Seattle to Tokyo.

Bear
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  Posted: Apr 28, 2017 7:16 AM   in response to: Bear Xu in response to: Bear Xu
Bear Xu wrote:
I already made an order to make my Delphi go from Seattle to Tokyo.

Bear

Seattle already had a subscription.. Did you let that subscription lapse?
That is, you didn't renew it when it was up for renewal?
You can check your subscription status in the License Manager (Help->License Manager).
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Am 28.04.2017 um 16:16 schrieb Jan Martin Pettersen:
Bear Xu wrote:
I already made an order to make my Delphi go from Seattle to Tokyo.

Bear

Seattle already had a subscription.. Did you let that subscription lapse?
That is, you didn't renew it when it was up for renewal?
You can check your subscription status in the License Manager (Help->License Manager).

There was no forced subscription back then afaik.
So he might have bought it without it.

Greetings

Markus
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  Posted: Apr 29, 2017 7:11 AM   in response to: Markus Humm in response to: Markus Humm
Markus Humm wrote:
Am 28.04.2017 um 16:16 schrieb Jan Martin Pettersen:
Bear Xu wrote:
I already made an order to make my Delphi go from Seattle to Tokyo.

Bear

Seattle already had a subscription.. Did you let that subscription lapse?
That is, you didn't renew it when it was up for renewal?
You can check your subscription status in the License Manager (Help->License Manager).

There was no forced subscription back then afaik.
So he might have bought it without it.

Greetings

Markus
If I remember correctly they included the subscription (iow forced) with XE8/Seattle and higher..
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