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Christopher Burke

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Delphi 10.1 Berlin
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  Posted: Apr 19, 2016 5:10 AM
Marco doing his intro now, details up on website.

https://www.embarcadero.com/products/delphi
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"New in 10.1 Berlin!
The VCL and FireMonkey Designers can be separated from the code editor window,
making it possible to have the designer on one monitor, while coding on another monitor, and to work on
multiple forms at the same time"

ROTFL - which was the way it always worked since Delphi 1 until someone decided that apeing VS was the way to go... despite someone telling that while working with multiple monitors and multiple forms it was a stupid change...
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  Posted: Apr 19, 2016 12:42 PM   in response to: Luigi Sandon in response to: Luigi Sandon
Luigi Sandon wrote:

"New in 10.1 Berlin!
The VCL and FireMonkey Designers can be separated from the code
editor window, making it possible to have the designer on one
monitor, while coding on another monitor, and to work on multiple
forms at the same time"

ROTFL - which was the way it always worked since Delphi 1

Not for FireMonkey.

So this is new alright.

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Not for FireMonkey.

So this is new alright.

Half-new, then...
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  Posted: Apr 20, 2016 8:31 AM   in response to: Luigi Sandon in response to: Luigi Sandon
Luigi Sandon wrote:

Not for FireMonkey.

So this is new alright.

Half-new, then...

Is it supported on both halves (vcl and firemonkey) without resorting
to manual registry changes <eg>?
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david hoke wrote:

Luigi Sandon wrote:

Not for FireMonkey.

So this is new alright.

Half-new, then...

Is it supported on both halves (vcl and firemonkey) without resorting
to manual registry changes <eg>?

AFAIK, yes. Still installing, so more later.

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  Posted: Apr 19, 2016 5:41 AM   in response to: Christopher Burke in response to: Christopher Burke
Christopher Burke wrote:
Marco doing his intro now, details up on website.

https://www.embarcadero.com/products/delphi

Hijack:
New in 10.1 Berlin! Support for string types UTF8String and RawByteString on iOS and Android

Have fun.
P.S. It deserve its own thread, if not its own forum :)

Edited by: Gabriel Corneanu on Apr 19, 2016 5:42 AM
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Gabriel Corneanu wrote:

Christopher Burke wrote:
Marco doing his intro now, details up on website.

https://www.embarcadero.com/products/delphi

Hijack:
New in 10.1 Berlin! Support for string types UTF8String and
RawByteString on iOS and Android

That brings back the possibility of migrating our primary application
to iOS/Android again... just have to nut out the ARC changes now.
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Gabriel Corneanu wrote:

Christopher Burke wrote:
Marco doing his intro now, details up on website.

https://www.embarcadero.com/products/delphi

Hijack:
New in 10.1 Berlin! Support for string types UTF8String and
RawByteString on iOS and Android

<throwing away my AnsiString sources>

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  Posted: Apr 19, 2016 6:16 AM   in response to: Christopher Burke in response to: Christopher Burke
Christopher Burke wrote:

Marco doing his intro now, details up on website.

https://www.embarcadero.com/products/delphi

Bug fix list:

http://edn.embarcadero.com/article/44675
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http://docwiki.embarcadero.com/RADStudio/Berlin/en/What's_New - can't get that to display correctly, so http://tinyurl.com/delphiberlin

Edited by: Registered User on Apr 19, 2016 6:27 AM
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Marco doing his intro now, details up on website.

https://www.embarcadero.com/products/delphi

BERLIN? Not Bottrop? I had lobbied for that. How on earth? Just because
Berlin is a little bigger? Oh, come on!

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BERLIN? Not Bottrop? I had lobbied for that. How on earth? Just
because Berlin is a little bigger? Oh, come on!

How about an auction for naming the next 10.2 release? The winner gets
to pick the name of the city.
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  Posted: Apr 19, 2016 6:57 AM   in response to: Uffe Kousgaard in response to: Uffe Kousgaard
Uffe Kousgaard wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

BERLIN? Not Bottrop? I had lobbied for that. How on earth? Just
because Berlin is a little bigger? Oh, come on!

How about an auction for naming the next 10.2 release? The winner gets
to pick the name of the city.

No way. The winner might choose some other name. I want Bottrop.
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No way. The winner might choose some other name. I want Bottrop.

yep, I would choose "Huitzilopochtli"
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  Posted: Apr 19, 2016 8:14 AM   in response to: Gilbert Padilla in response to: Gilbert Padilla
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No way. The winner might choose some other name. I want Bottrop.

yep, I would choose "Huitzilopochtli"

Wondering if someone in Embarcadero is a fan of "The Blacklist" with
the new name :)
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Christopher Burke wrote:

Gilbert Padilla wrote:

No way. The winner might choose some other name. I want Bottrop.

yep, I would choose "Huitzilopochtli"

Wondering if someone in Embarcadero is a fan of "The Blacklist" with
the new name :)

I guess they just didn't want to call it London because of "London Has
Fallen". <g>

But it should have been Bottrop. Really.

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  Posted: Apr 21, 2016 8:17 AM   in response to: Christopher Burke in response to: Christopher Burke
Christopher Burke wrote:

yep, I would choose "Huitzilopochtli"

Wondering if someone in Embarcadero is a fan of "The Blacklist" with
the new name :)

I have another 20 names that can be blacklisted :-D
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  Posted: Apr 21, 2016 8:47 AM   in response to: Gilbert Padilla in response to: Gilbert Padilla
Gilbert Padilla wrote:

Christopher Burke wrote:

yep, I would choose "Huitzilopochtli"

Wondering if someone in Embarcadero is a fan of "The Blacklist" with
the new name :)

I have another 20 names that can be blacklisted :-D

Berlin was a big bad on the show's list - still made it into
Embarcadero.
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  Posted: Apr 19, 2016 11:56 AM   in response to: Gilbert Padilla in response to: Gilbert Padilla
Gilbert,

| yep, I would choose "Huitzilopochtli"

<chuckle>

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They should have called it Alamo.

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Gilbert,

| yep, I would choose "Huitzilopochtli"

<chuckle>

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Michael,

| They should have called it Alamo.

<g>

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They should have called it Alamo.

I'd remember that ...

#badummtsss

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Gilbert Padilla wrote:

No way. The winner might choose some other name. I want Bottrop.

yep, I would choose "Huitzilopochtli"

Exactly. So no auction.

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Am 19.04.2016 um 15:57 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Uffe Kousgaard wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

BERLIN? Not Bottrop? I had lobbied for that. How on earth? Just
because Berlin is a little bigger? Oh, come on!

How about an auction for naming the next 10.2 release? The winner gets
to pick the name of the city.

No way. The winner might choose some other name. I want Bottrop.

No way. Some German city nearly nobody even in Germany knows about will
not be 10.2. Germany now had his turn.

But hey: if the money from the aution is bound to be used for R&D (in
addition to the regular R&D budget) then why not have such an auction? ;-)

Greetings

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  Posted: Apr 19, 2016 7:49 AM   in response to: Uffe Kousgaard in response to: Uffe Kousgaard
Uffe Kousgaard wrote:
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

BERLIN? Not Bottrop? I had lobbied for that. How on earth? Just
because Berlin is a little bigger? Oh, come on!

How about an auction for naming the next 10.2 release? The winner gets
to pick the name of the city.

It can only be Helsinki ;-)

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  Posted: Apr 19, 2016 10:58 AM   in response to: Uffe Kousgaard in response to: Uffe Kousgaard
Uffe wrote:

How about an auction for naming the next 10.2 release?

10.2 already has a name: Tokyo, codenamed "Godzilla". It was stated as much
in the roadmap.

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Remy Lebeau (TeamB) wrote:
Uffe wrote:

How about an auction for naming the next 10.2 release?

10.2 already has a name: Tokyo, codenamed "Godzilla". It was stated as much
in the roadmap.

Are you sure it is going to be Tokyo?

We had Big Ben and ended up with Berlin and not London ;-)

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  Posted: Apr 19, 2016 12:23 PM   in response to: Dalija Prasnikar in response to: Dalija Prasnikar
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Are you sure it is going to be Tokyo?

Fairly sure. Unless that was an original codename that was later renamed
to Godzilla.

We had Big Ben and ended up with Berlin and not London ;-)

It was going to be named London originally, but was renamed (why? who knows)
to Berlin. But AFAIK London was never made public, while BigBen was. This
time around, Tokyo and Godzilla have been stated publicly, so I doubt they
will be changed.

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Dalija Prasnikar wrote:

Remy Lebeau (TeamB) wrote:
Uffe wrote:

How about an auction for naming the next 10.2 release?

10.2 already has a name: Tokyo, codenamed "Godzilla". It was
stated as much in the roadmap.

Are you sure it is going to be Tokyo?

No he isn't, because it will be Bottrop.

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Am 19.04.2016 um 21:37 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Dalija Prasnikar wrote:

Remy Lebeau (TeamB) wrote:
Uffe wrote:

How about an auction for naming the next 10.2 release?

10.2 already has a name: Tokyo, codenamed "Godzilla". It was
stated as much in the roadmap.

Are you sure it is going to be Tokyo?

No he isn't, because it will be Bottrop.

Only for you. They might even do a special build named "Bottrop" just
for you to silence you.

Greetings

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Only for you. They might even do a special build named "Bottrop" just
for you to silence you.

Let's just call Delphi 8 "Bottrop," posthumously.
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Dominique Willems wrote:
Let's just call Delphi 8 "Bottrop," posthumously.

wasn't that the name of Delphi 9 or XE9 ?
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Gilbert Padilla wrote:
Dominique Willems wrote:
Let's just call Delphi 8 "Bottrop," posthumously.

wasn't that the name of Delphi 9 or XE9 ?

Delphi 9 was called "Bielefeld."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bielefeld_Conspiracy
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Am 20.04.2016 um 18:04 schrieb Dominique Willems:
Gilbert Padilla wrote:
Dominique Willems wrote:
Let's just call Delphi 8 "Bottrop," posthumously.

wasn't that the name of Delphi 9 or XE9 ?

Delphi 9 was called "Bielefeld."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bielefeld_Conspiracy

Ah, the town that doesn't exist. Yes, quite popular in Germany ;-)
I wanted to bring this up yesterday evening already, but since Bielefeld
doesn't exist I couldn't remember its name ;-)

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Markus Humm wrote:

Am 20.04.2016 um 18:04 schrieb Dominique Willems:
Gilbert Padilla wrote:
Dominique Willems wrote:
Let's just call Delphi 8 "Bottrop," posthumously.

wasn't that the name of Delphi 9 or XE9 ?

Delphi 9 was called "Bielefeld."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bielefeld_Conspiracy

Ah, the town that doesn't exist.

That is what they want to make you think. I've been there. It exists,
but it seems to be built out of leftovers from other places.
Bahnhogstraße Bielefeld is an almost exact copy of the Bahnhofstraße
Gelsenkirchen, including a Kaufhof that looks almost exacthly the same.
Etc.etc.

And when we drove there, I was overtaken by I don't know how many black
Audis, all with a Wiesbaden number plate. Scary!

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Am 21.04.2016 um 08:32 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Markus Humm wrote:

Am 20.04.2016 um 18:04 schrieb Dominique Willems:
Gilbert Padilla wrote:
Dominique Willems wrote:
Let's just call Delphi 8 "Bottrop," posthumously.

wasn't that the name of Delphi 9 or XE9 ?

Delphi 9 was called "Bielefeld."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bielefeld_Conspiracy

Ah, the town that doesn't exist.

That is what they want to make you think. I've been there. It exists,
but it seems to be built out of leftovers from other places.
Bahnhogstraße Bielefeld is an almost exact copy of the Bahnhofstraße
Gelsenkirchen, including a Kaufhof that looks almost exacthly the same.
Etc.etc.

And when we drove there, I was overtaken by I don't know how many black
Audis, all with a Wiesbaden number plate. Scary!

I know that it exists. ;-)
But I don't know why BKA was heading to it...

Greetings

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Markus Humm wrote:

That is what they want to make you think. I've been there. It
exists, but it seems to be built out of leftovers from other places.
Bahnhogstraße Bielefeld is an almost exact copy of the Bahnhofstraße
Gelsenkirchen, including a Kaufhof that looks almost exacthly the
same. Etc.etc.

And when we drove there, I was overtaken by I don't know how many
black Audis, all with a Wiesbaden number plate. Scary!

I know that it exists. ;-)
But I don't know why BKA was heading to it...

Scary, innit? I mean, they did not come all at once, i.e. it was not a
convoy of some sorts. First one, a few minutes later another one, then
a while nothing, than another one, etc.

As if they knew where we were going and one of them had to switch on
the lights first while the others were just guarding our progress. <g>

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Gilbert Padilla wrote:

Dominique Willems wrote:
Let's just call Delphi 8 "Bottrop," posthumously.

wasn't that the name of Delphi 9 or XE9 ?

No, that was Bielefeld.

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No, that was Bielefeld.

Wow, this must be the Rudy whopper of 2016. :)
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Dominique Willems wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
No, that was Bielefeld.

Wow, this must be the Rudy whopper of 2016. :)

Nah. I like Bielefeld.

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Nah. I like Bielefeld.

So you pulled yourself because you like Bielefeld?
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Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
Nah. I like Bielefeld.

So you pulled yourself because you like Bielefeld?

That's pretty ambiguous.

I did an Andy, indeed. <g>

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So you pulled yourself because you like Bielefeld?

That's pretty ambiguous.

I did an Andy, indeed. <g>

Luckily that isn't ambiguous at all. ;)
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Only for you. They might even do a special build named "Bottrop" just
for you to silence you.

Are you serious? Do you really believe it could be so easy?
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Markus Humm wrote:
Only for you. They might even do a special build named "Bottrop"
just for you to silence you.

Are you serious? Do you really believe it could be so easy?

No, it isn't. Bottrop is for everyone. <g>

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Am 26.04.2016 um 08:14 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Nico Aragon wrote:

Markus Humm wrote:
Only for you. They might even do a special build named "Bottrop"
just for you to silence you.

Are you serious? Do you really believe it could be so easy?

No, it isn't. Bottrop is for everyone. <g>

No, mostly just for you. You could easily find that out by making a poll
here. But since you fear the outcome you won't do that. You'll rather
"spam" these groups and this discussion particular with requesting a
product name nobody except you wants.

I don't think this is good style from a Team B member, even if the
product name is a mostly non technical topic.

Greetings

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Markus Humm wrote:

Am 26.04.2016 um 08:14 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Nico Aragon wrote:

Markus Humm wrote:
Only for you. They might even do a special build named "Bottrop"
just for you to silence you.

Are you serious? Do you really believe it could be so easy?

No, it isn't. Bottrop is for everyone. <g>

No, mostly just for you.

Ah, you're just jealous that I was first. <g>

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Am 26.04.2016 um 15:13 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Markus Humm wrote:

Am 26.04.2016 um 08:14 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Nico Aragon wrote:

Markus Humm wrote:
Only for you. They might even do a special build named "Bottrop"
just for you to silence you.

Are you serious? Do you really believe it could be so easy?

No, it isn't. Bottrop is for everyone. <g>

No, mostly just for you.

Ah, you're just jealous that I was first. <g>


No, I'm not jealous. Regarding the amount of useless posts about your
naming which in the last few days I start to consider them as spam.

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No, it isn't. Bottrop is for everyone. <g>

No, mostly just for you.

Ah, you're just jealous that I was first. <g>

No, I'm not jealous.

Of course you say that. <g>

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Am 27.04.2016 um 13:13 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Markus Humm wrote:

No, it isn't. Bottrop is for everyone. <g>

No, mostly just for you.

Ah, you're just jealous that I was first. <g>

No, I'm not jealous.

Of course you say that. <g>


Nothing to do? No teeth to pull or to rescue?

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Markus Humm wrote:

Am 27.04.2016 um 13:13 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Markus Humm wrote:

No, it isn't. Bottrop is for everyone. <g>

No, mostly just for you.

Ah, you're just jealous that I was first. <g>

No, I'm not jealous.

Of course you say that. <g>


Nothing to do? No teeth to pull or to rescue?

Thanks for your concern. I have a short break, every now and then.

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No he isn't, because it will be Bottrop.

Khmmm... Let's name it XE11 and everybody (except maybe one or two outliers) will be happy. Bottrop is none of the official names of Delphi 31, you know that.
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Bottrop is none of the official names of
Delphi 31, you know that.

Not yet, indeed.

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Alexander Elagin wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
No he isn't, because it will be Bottrop.

Khmmm... Let's name it XE11 and everybody (except maybe one or two
outliers) will be happy. Bottrop is none of the official names of
Delphi 31, you know that.

Stupid thing is that 10.1 is now ambigious between 10 update 1 and 10.1.

Is update 1 now a minor version ?
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Stupid thing is that 10.1 is now ambigious between 10 update 1 and
10.1.

Is update 1 now a minor version ?

10.1 is Berlin. 10 Update 1 is an update for Seattle.

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Stupid thing is that 10.1 is now ambigious between 10 update 1 and 10.1.

Is update 1 now a minor version ?

There is no limit to how stupid a PHB can be. They just ooze bad ideas.
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Alexander Elagin wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
No he isn't, because it will be Bottrop.

Khmmm... Let's name it XE11 and everybody (except maybe one or two
outliers) will be happy.

As someone else posted, the new migration app calls 10.1 Berlin "XE10"
(probably a wildcard because the real name was not known yet, when it
was written) and Delphi 10 Seattle well, "Delphi 10 Seattle".

So from now on, anyone using XE10 is causing big confusion: do they
mean Berlin or Seattle?

So I think people should slowly wake up and realize that "nicknames"
like XE9, XE10 and XE11, which are not based on real names, are
confusing and simply use the real names instead.

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Rudy,

| So I think people should slowly wake up and realize that "nicknames"
| like XE9, XE10 and XE11, which are not based on real names, are
| confusing and simply use the real names instead.

But, but, but, RAD Studio XE8 was a "real name," wasn't it?

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Rudy,

So I think people should slowly wake up and realize that
"nicknames" like XE9, XE10 and XE11, which are not based on real
names, are confusing and simply use the real names instead.

But, but, but, RAD Studio XE8 was a "real name," wasn't it?

XE8 yes, but not XE9, XE10, XE10.1 or XE11 or anything XEn beyond XE8.

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Rudy,

| | But, but, but, RAD Studio XE8 was a "real name," wasn't it?
|
| XE8 yes, but not XE9, XE10, XE10.1 or XE11 or anything XEn beyond XE8.

I can understand how many people might not grok that XE9, etc., aren't
real names. It seems more than a tad STUPID to me that they aren't
used as "real" names since XE8 is a real name! <shaking head>

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Rudy,

| | But, but, but, RAD Studio XE8 was a "real name," wasn't it?
|
| XE8 yes, but not XE9, XE10, XE10.1 or XE11 or anything XEn beyond XE8.

I can understand how many people might not grok that XE9, etc., aren't
real names. It seems more than a tad STUPID to me that they aren't
used as "real" names since XE8 is a real name! <shaking head>

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XE8 is a real name. As is XE9, XE10, XE10.1, XE10.2 all the way to XEwhatever-the-hell-number-I-want to-call-it. Today, what XE>8 is not, is an official name. But unofficially anyone can call it whatever they want. No one is obligated to respond to questions or posts regarding XE10.1 if they can't ascertain what XE10.1 means. Just as no one is obligated to call the latest iteration of the product by it's official name. As long as 2 people understand what they mean when they talk about it, that's all that matters.

Anyone who concerns themselves with an unofficial name for a product and attempts to convince a majority of others of the necessity of only using the official name has, in my opinion, a serious complex. And from what I've read recently, it's really only one person (guess) who has an issue. As if using an unofficial name will, in fact, finally kill Delphi. The majority appear to have no issue with the unofficial naming convention. And it's not even as if the unofficial naming convention is unreasonable either.

XE10.1 is a great mystery, but 10.1 is not.
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Ge Ph wrote:

XE10.1 is a great mystery, but 10.1 is not.

Not too sure what to call the new incarnation, much legacy stuff
precludes spaces, dots and over 8 characters.

XE10B maybe (B for Berlin) ?

Or maybe it is time to move to Dnnn where nnn is the compiler version.
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Am 23.04.2016 um 07:31 schrieb Christopher Burke:
Ge Ph wrote:

XE10.1 is a great mystery, but 10.1 is not.

Not too sure what to call the new incarnation, much legacy stuff
precludes spaces, dots and over 8 characters.

XE10B maybe (B for Berlin) ?

Or maybe it is time to move to Dnnn where nnn is the compiler version.

The latter one would be the most sensible thing to do anyway, even in
the marketing used name. By doing so they even could skip a few numbers! ;-)

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Christopher,

| Or maybe it is time to move to Dnnn where nnn is the compiler version.

Sounds like a viable idea to me.

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Christopher Burke wrote:

Ge Ph wrote:

XE10.1 is a great mystery, but 10.1 is not.

Not too sure what to call the new incarnation, much legacy stuff
precludes spaces, dots and over 8 characters.

XE10B maybe (B for Berlin) ?

Or maybe it is time to move to Dnnn where nnn is the compiler version.

I thought that for now everybody could learn that there is no XE10 so
for shorter version string could be D10.1B.

D10B would not be enough future proof. The first version next year
could be Delphi 10.3 Beograd ;).

XE has been removed so forget it!

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Lajos Juhasz wrote:

I thought that for now everybody could learn that there is no XE10 so
for shorter version string could be D10.1B.

D10B would not be enough future proof. The first version next year
could be Delphi 10.3 Beograd ;)

As long as 10.2 is Bottrop, all is fine. <g>

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Am 25.04.2016 um 15:57 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Lajos Juhasz wrote:

I thought that for now everybody could learn that there is no XE10 so
for shorter version string could be D10.1B.

D10B would not be enough future proof. The first version next year
could be Delphi 10.3 Beograd ;)

As long as 10.2 is Bottrop, all is fine. <g>


Nobody besides you wants that name.
So it wouldn't be a good choice marketing wise (from EMBT's side - I
don't care about Bottrop's city marketing)

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As long as 10.2 is Bottrop, all is fine. <g>

Who cares about Bottrop? I vote for Balashikha (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balashikha), at least it is larger and more known ;-) here in Moscow. Unlike Bottrop or Seattle known to nobody.
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As long as 10.2 is Bottrop, all is fine. <g>

Who cares about Bottrop? I vote for Balashikha

I was first. <g>

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Am 26.04.2016 um 08:11 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Alexander Elagin wrote:

As long as 10.2 is Bottrop, all is fine. <g>

Who cares about Bottrop? I vote for Balashikha

I was first. <g>


Voting for Balashika?
Nobody cares whether you've been first or last, except you.
Better use what you have at hand, namely 10.1 Berlin, and write some
software. You could name that software you write "Bottrop" then, as
that's your decission.

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Am 26.04.2016 um 08:11 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Alexander Elagin wrote:

As long as 10.2 is Bottrop, all is fine. <g>

Who cares about Bottrop? I vote for Balashikha

I was first. <g>

Voting for Balashika?

I was first, and I say it should be Bottrop. Sheesh, this is not rocket
science.

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Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

Markus Humm wrote:

Am 26.04.2016 um 08:11 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Alexander Elagin wrote:

As long as 10.2 is Bottrop, all is fine. <g>

Who cares about Bottrop? I vote for Balashikha

I was first. <g>

Voting for Balashika?

I was first, and I say it should be Bottrop. Sheesh, this is not
rocket science.

I'll vote for Bottrop for the next one if you'll vote for Nashville for
the nexter one. :-)

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Van Swofford wrote:

I was first, and I say it should be Bottrop. Sheesh, this is not
rocket science.

I'll vote for Bottrop for the next one if you'll vote for Nashville
for the nexter one. :-)

Ok, fine with me.

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Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
Ok, fine with me.
I disagree. From now on, the future Delphi versions must be named according to this schema:
(fixed part) Delphi 10.1 B(variable part - city name, must start with B)
For example:

Delphi 10.1 Berlin
Delphi 10.1 Bottrop (well...)
Delphi 10.1 Baku
Delphi 10.1 Bombay
Delphi 10.1 Blagoveshchensk
Delphi 10.1 Bucharest
etc

Seems logical for me, I'm just taking the stupidity to the next level...
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Alexander,

| I'm just taking the stupidity to the next level...

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Alexander Elagin wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
Ok, fine with me.
I disagree. From now on, the future Delphi versions must be named
according to this schema: (fixed part) Delphi 10.1 B(variable part -
city name, must start with B) For example:

Delphi 10.1 Berlin
Delphi 10.1 Bottrop (well...)

I vote for 10.2 Bottrop and 10.3 Gladbeck

All B is Boring.

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Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

Alexander Elagin wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
Ok, fine with me.
I disagree. From now on, the future Delphi versions must be named
according to this schema: (fixed part) Delphi 10.1 B(variable part
- city name, must start with B) For example:

Delphi 10.1 Berlin
Delphi 10.1 Bottrop (well...)

I vote for 10.2 Bottrop and 10.3 Gladbeck

All B is Boring.

Hey, wait a minute. Aren't you going to vote for 10.3 Nashville? How
soon they forget! :-)

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Am 27.04.2016 um 17:01 schrieb Van Swofford:
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

Alexander Elagin wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
Ok, fine with me.
I disagree. From now on, the future Delphi versions must be named
according to this schema: (fixed part) Delphi 10.1 B(variable part
- city name, must start with B) For example:

Delphi 10.1 Berlin
Delphi 10.1 Bottrop (well...)

I vote for 10.2 Bottrop and 10.3 Gladbeck

All B is Boring.

Hey, wait a minute. Aren't you going to vote for 10.3 Nashville? How
soon they forget! :-)

See! Better not vote for Bottrop, which then would cause the loss of my
vote for Nashville anyway! ;-)

Greetings

Markus
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Markus Humm wrote:

Am 27.04.2016 um 17:01 schrieb Van Swofford:
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

Alexander Elagin wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
Ok, fine with me.
I disagree. From now on, the future Delphi versions must be named
according to this schema: (fixed part) Delphi 10.1 B(variable
part >>> - city name, must start with B) For example:

Delphi 10.1 Berlin
Delphi 10.1 Bottrop (well...)

I vote for 10.2 Bottrop and 10.3 Gladbeck

All B is Boring.

Hey, wait a minute. Aren't you going to vote for 10.3 Nashville?
How soon they forget! :-)

See! Better not vote for Bottrop, which then would cause the loss of
my vote for Nashville anyway! ;-)

Greetings

Markus

Yeah, I'm with you there! :-)

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Van Swofford wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

Alexander Elagin wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
Ok, fine with me.
I disagree. From now on, the future Delphi versions must be named
according to this schema: (fixed part) Delphi 10.1 B(variable
part - city name, must start with B) For example:

Delphi 10.1 Berlin
Delphi 10.1 Bottrop (well...)

I vote for 10.2 Bottrop and 10.3 Gladbeck

All B is Boring.

Hey, wait a minute. Aren't you going to vote for 10.3 Nashville? How
soon they forget! :-)

Oh, sorry, of course, 10.3 Nashville. I was typing that between two
patients.

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Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

Van Swofford wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

Alexander Elagin wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
Ok, fine with me.
I disagree. From now on, the future Delphi versions must be
named according to this schema: (fixed part) Delphi 10.1
B(variable part - city name, must start with B) For example:

Delphi 10.1 Berlin
Delphi 10.1 Bottrop (well...)

I vote for 10.2 Bottrop and 10.3 Gladbeck

All B is Boring.

Hey, wait a minute. Aren't you going to vote for 10.3 Nashville?
How soon they forget! :-)

Oh, sorry, of course, 10.3 Nashville. I was typing that between two
patients.

Thank ya. Thank ya very much.

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Van Swofford wrote:

Hey, wait a minute. Aren't you going to vote for 10.3 Nashville?
How soon they forget! :-)

Oh, sorry, of course, 10.3 Nashville. I was typing that between two
patients.

Thank ya. Thank ya very much.

I told the Bottropers to leave you alone, for the moment. And Nashville
has that certain positive sound to it. <g>

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Rudy,

| Nashville has that certain positive sound to it. <g>

http://www.beairdmusicgroup.com/male-vocalist-samples/

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Quentin Correll wrote:

Rudy,

| Nashville has that certain positive sound to it. <g>

http://www.beairdmusicgroup.com/male-vocalist-samples/

From those, I prefer Tim Buppert, with Paul Bogart as a second best.

But I like female voices, like Dolly Parton or Emmilou Harris.

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Am 26.04.2016 um 17:43 schrieb Van Swofford:
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

Markus Humm wrote:

Am 26.04.2016 um 08:11 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Alexander Elagin wrote:

As long as 10.2 is Bottrop, all is fine. <g>

Who cares about Bottrop? I vote for Balashikha

I was first. <g>

Voting for Balashika?

I was first, and I say it should be Bottrop. Sheesh, this is not
rocket science.

I'll vote for Bottrop for the next one if you'll vote for Nashville for
the nexter one. :-)

I vote vor Nashville, but only if the next one doesn't get named
Bottrop. ;-)

Greetings

Markus
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Markus Humm wrote:

Am 26.04.2016 um 17:43 schrieb Van Swofford:
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

Markus Humm wrote:

Am 26.04.2016 um 08:11 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Alexander Elagin wrote:

As long as 10.2 is Bottrop, all is fine. <g>

Who cares about Bottrop? I vote for Balashikha

I was first. <g>

Voting for Balashika?

I was first, and I say it should be Bottrop. Sheesh, this is not
rocket science.

I'll vote for Bottrop for the next one if you'll vote for Nashville
for the nexter one. :-)

I vote vor Nashville, but only if the next one doesn't get named
Bottrop. ;-)

Greetings

Markus

Politics is so dirty... :-)

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Markus Humm wrote:

Am 26.04.2016 um 17:43 schrieb Van Swofford:
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

Markus Humm wrote:

Am 26.04.2016 um 08:11 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Alexander Elagin wrote:

As long as 10.2 is Bottrop, all is fine. <g>

Who cares about Bottrop? I vote for Balashikha

I was first. <g>

Voting for Balashika?

I was first, and I say it should be Bottrop. Sheesh, this is not
rocket science.

I'll vote for Bottrop for the next one if you'll vote for Nashville
for the nexter one. :-)

I vote vor Nashville, but only if the next one doesn't get named
Bottrop. ;-)

I'll send some Bottropers along to, er... convince you that Bottrop it
should be.

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What they conceal is vital."
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Am 27.04.2016 um 13:16 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Markus Humm wrote:

I vote vor Nashville, but only if the next one doesn't get named
Bottrop. ;-)

I'll send some Bottropers along to, er... convince you that Bottrop it
should be.

You'd have to explain them first what Delphi is.

Greetings

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Markus Humm wrote:

Am 27.04.2016 um 13:16 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Markus Humm wrote:

I vote vor Nashville, but only if the next one doesn't get named
Bottrop. ;-)

I'll send some Bottropers along to, er... convince you that Bottrop
it should be.

You'd have to explain them first what Delphi is.

To Bottropers? No, I wouldn't. <shaking head>

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Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

I'll send some Bottropers along to, er... convince you that
Bottrop it should be.

FWIW, I think Bottrop would be a fine choice. <nodding with approval>

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Don Abel wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

I'll send some Bottropers along to, er... convince you that
Bottrop it should be.

FWIW, I think Bottrop would be a fine choice. <nodding with approval>


Ah, thanks. Support from an unexpected direction. <g>

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Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

Don Abel wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

I'll send some Bottropers along to, er... convince you that
Bottrop it should be.

FWIW, I think Bottrop would be a fine choice. <nodding with
approval>


Ah, thanks. Support from an unexpected direction. <g>

Yeah, kinda weird, isn't it? <g>

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Don Abel wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

Don Abel wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

I'll send some Bottropers along to, er... convince you that
Bottrop it should be.

FWIW, I think Bottrop would be a fine choice. <nodding with
approval>


Ah, thanks. Support from an unexpected direction. <g>

Yeah, kinda weird, isn't it? <g>


Bottropers will leave you alone, for the moment. <g>

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Am 28.04.2016 um 06:15 schrieb Don Abel:
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

I'll send some Bottropers along to, er... convince you that
Bottrop it should be.

FWIW, I think Bottrop would be a fine choice. <nodding with approval>


How that? Support without requesting anything for it? ;-)

Greetings

Markus
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Markus Humm wrote:

Am 28.04.2016 um 06:15 schrieb Don Abel:
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

I'll send some Bottropers along to, er... convince you that
Bottrop it should be.

FWIW, I think Bottrop would be a fine choice. <nodding with
approval>


How that? Support without requesting anything for it? ;-)

Well, I guess I'm just that kind of guy. All give and no take. If you
believe that, then I've got a great deal on some swamp land that I
think you'd be interested in. It use to be a toxic waste site, but I
think it's OK now. <g>

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Markus Humm wrote:

Am 28.04.2016 um 06:15 schrieb Don Abel:
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

I'll send some Bottropers along to, er... convince you that
Bottrop it should be.

FWIW, I think Bottrop would be a fine choice. <nodding with
approval>


How that? Support without requesting anything for it? ;-)

Markus, some Bottropers might visit you anytime soon. <g>

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Am 02.05.2016 um 03:58 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Markus Humm wrote:

Am 28.04.2016 um 06:15 schrieb Don Abel:
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

I'll send some Bottropers along to, er... convince you that
Bottrop it should be.

FWIW, I think Bottrop would be a fine choice. <nodding with
approval>


How that? Support without requesting anything for it? ;-)

Markus, some Bottropers might visit you anytime soon. <g>

Our village is too small for them to be found ;-)

Greetings

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Markus Humm wrote:

Markus, some Bottropers might visit you anytime soon. <g>

Our village is too small for them to be found ;-)

They are Bottropers. They will find the village and then you... and
they won't bring cake...

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Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

Markus Humm wrote:

Markus, some Bottropers might visit you anytime soon. <g>

Our village is too small for them to be found ;-)

They are Bottropers. They will find the village and then you... and
they won't bring cake...

Unto you a Delphi child will be born, and you will call it Bottrop.
Then a star will shine in the west, and THEN they will come, bearing
cake. And ice cream. And maybe beer.

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Van,

| Unto you a Delphi child will be born, and you will call it Bottrop.
| Then a star will shine in the west, and THEN they will come, bearing
| cake. And ice cream. And maybe beer.

<chuckle>

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Van Swofford wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

Markus Humm wrote:

Markus, some Bottropers might visit you anytime soon. <g>

Our village is too small for them to be found ;-)

They are Bottropers. They will find the village and then you... and
they won't bring cake...

Unto you a Delphi child will be born, and you will call it Bottrop.
Then a star will shine in the west, and THEN they will come, bearing
cake. And ice cream. And maybe beer.

Amen.

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Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
They are Bottropers. They will find the village and then you... and
they won't bring cake...
As everybody knows, the cake is a lie anyway. Luckily I am very far from Bottrop, and to find somebody in a 15-million city is not a trivial task ;-) I still think that the 10.1+"B-city" naming schema is a very good choice for all the future versions. Just imagine: XE15, aka 10.1 Benrath!
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Alexander Elagin wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
They are Bottropers. They will find the village and then you... and
they won't bring cake...
As everybody knows, the cake is a lie anyway. Luckily I am very far
from Bottrop

As long as you are on the same planet, no problem for a Bottroper.

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Alexander Elagin wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
They are Bottropers. They will find the village and then you... and
they won't bring cake...
As everybody knows, the cake is a lie anyway. Luckily I am very far
from Bottrop, and to find somebody in a 15-million city is not a
trivial task ;-) I still think that the 10.1+"B-city" naming schema
is a very good choice for all the future versions. Just imagine:
XE15, aka 10.1 Benrath!

XE versions stopped at 8. <g>

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Am 04.05.2016 um 16:28 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Alexander Elagin wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
They are Bottropers. They will find the village and then you... and
they won't bring cake...
As everybody knows, the cake is a lie anyway. Luckily I am very far
from Bottrop, and to find somebody in a 15-million city is not a
trivial task ;-) I still think that the 10.1+"B-city" naming schema
is a very good choice for all the future versions. Just imagine:
XE15, aka 10.1 Benrath!

XE versions stopped at 8. <g>

Then it's high time for XE15 to continue em'... ;-)
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Lajos Juhasz wrote:

I thought that for now everybody could learn that there is no XE10 so
for shorter version string could be D10.1B.

Still fails the legacy compatibility test as it has a period in the
name.

XE has been removed so forget it!

Yeah, thus the idea of Dnnn where nnn is the compiler number.
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  Posted: Apr 24, 2016 11:15 AM   in response to: Ge Ph in response to: Ge Ph
Ge,

| XE8 is a real name. As is XE9, XE10, XE10.1, XE10.2 all the way to
| XEwhatever-the-hell-number-I-want to-call-it.

Not according to Rudy's post.

| And from what I've read recently,
| it's really only one person (guess) who has an issue.

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Ge Ph wrote:
Quentin Correll wrote:
Rudy,

| | But, but, but, RAD Studio XE8 was a "real name," wasn't it?
|
| XE8 yes, but not XE9, XE10, XE10.1 or XE11 or anything XEn beyond XE8.

I can understand how many people might not grok that XE9, etc., aren't
real names. It seems more than a tad STUPID to me that they aren't
used as "real" names since XE8 is a real name! <shaking head>

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XE8 is a real name. As is XE9, XE10, XE10.1, XE10.2 all the way to XEwhatever-the-hell-number-I-want to-call-it

You can call it whatever you like, but you are confusing your readers, especially now XE10 had been used for DIFFERENT versions.

If you want to confuse your readers, that is up to you, but I find it kind of rude.

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Ge Ph wrote:
Quentin Correll wrote:
Rudy,

| But, but, but, RAD Studio XE8 was a "real name," wasn't it?

XE8 yes, but not XE9, XE10, XE10.1 or XE11 or anything XEn
beyond XE8.

I can understand how many people might not grok that XE9, etc.,
aren't real names. It seems more than a tad STUPID to me that
they aren't used as "real" names since XE8 is a real name!
<shaking head>

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XE8 is a real name. As is XE9, XE10, XE10.1, XE10.2 all the way to
XEwhatever-the-hell-number-I-want to-call-it

You can call it whatever you like, but you are confusing your
readers, especially now XE10 had been used for DIFFERENT versions.

If you want to confuse your readers, that is up to you, but I find it
kind of rude.

And if you use it, you more or less show how unflexible you are, i.e.
that you have problems adapting to new situations. Your choice, of
course.

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You can call it whatever you like, but you are confusing your
readers, especially now XE10 had been used for DIFFERENT versions.

If you want to confuse your readers, that is up to you, but I find
it kind of rude.

And if you use it, you more or less show how unflexible you are, i.e.
that you have problems adapting to new situations. Your choice, of
course.

Why are you answering yourself?
Your needs for unnecessary discussions reached a new level?

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Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

You can call it whatever you like, but you are confusing your
readers, especially now XE10 had been used for DIFFERENT versions.

If you want to confuse your readers, that is up to you, but I find
it kind of rude.

And if you use it, you more or less show how unflexible you are,
i.e. that you have problems adapting to new situations. Your
choice, of course.

Why are you answering yourself?

I'm not. I was just adding to my previous post.

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Uffe wrote:

How about an auction for naming the next 10.2 release?

10.2 already has a name: Tokyo, codenamed "Godzilla". It was stated
as much in the roadmap.

Who cares? They can still rename it to Bottrop.

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Uffe wrote:

How about an auction for naming the next 10.2 release?

Valparaíso would be so much more fitting --for historical and current day
reasons.

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How about an auction for naming the next 10.2 release? The winner gets
to pick the name of the city.

10.2 Whakatane

It's my home town, and it's fun to pronounce correctly ;-)

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David Clegg wrote:

Uffe Kousgaard wrote:

How about an auction for naming the next 10.2 release? The winner
gets to pick the name of the city.

10.2 Whakatane

It's my home town, and it's fun to pronounce correctly ;-)

But it's not Bottrop, so forget it.

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Am 20.04.2016 um 08:34 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
David Clegg wrote:

Uffe Kousgaard wrote:

How about an auction for naming the next 10.2 release? The winner
gets to pick the name of the city.

10.2 Whakatane

It's my home town, and it's fun to pronounce correctly ;-)

But it's not Bottrop, so forget it.

You should be lucky that you don't live in Bielefeld and keep quiet now.
Be lucky that your hometown even exists ;-)

Greetings

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Markus Humm wrote:

Am 20.04.2016 um 08:34 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
David Clegg wrote:

Uffe Kousgaard wrote:

How about an auction for naming the next 10.2 release? The winner
gets to pick the name of the city.

10.2 Whakatane

It's my home town, and it's fun to pronounce correctly ;-)

But it's not Bottrop, so forget it.

You should be lucky that you don't live in Bielefeld

But I believe in Bielefeld! I bet that I am only one of very few who
even have a Starbucks Bielefeld coffee cup at home. It stands there
beside Starbucks Dubai, Starbucks Manila, Starbucks London, etc.

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Am 21.04.2016 um 08:28 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Markus Humm wrote:

Am 20.04.2016 um 08:34 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
David Clegg wrote:

Uffe Kousgaard wrote:

How about an auction for naming the next 10.2 release? The winner
gets to pick the name of the city.

10.2 Whakatane

It's my home town, and it's fun to pronounce correctly ;-)

But it's not Bottrop, so forget it.

You should be lucky that you don't live in Bielefeld

But I believe in Bielefeld! I bet that I am only one of very few who
even have a Starbucks Bielefeld coffee cup at home. It stands there
beside Starbucks Dubai, Starbucks Manila, Starbucks London, etc.

As long as you ahven't got any Hard Rock Cafe Roma T-.Shirt...
More than 20 years back a classmate of mine was in Roma and bought such
a T-Shirt there for cheap. But at least back then there was no Hard Rock
Casfe in Roma ;-)

Greetings

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Markus Humm wrote:

Am 21.04.2016 um 08:28 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Markus Humm wrote:

Am 20.04.2016 um 08:34 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
David Clegg wrote:

Uffe Kousgaard wrote:

How about an auction for naming the next 10.2 release? The
winner >>>>> gets to pick the name of the city.

10.2 Whakatane

It's my home town, and it's fun to pronounce correctly ;-)

But it's not Bottrop, so forget it.

You should be lucky that you don't live in Bielefeld

But I believe in Bielefeld! I bet that I am only one of very few who
even have a Starbucks Bielefeld coffee cup at home. It stands there
beside Starbucks Dubai, Starbucks Manila, Starbucks London, etc.

As long as you ahven't got any Hard Rock Cafe Roma T-.Shirt...

Today, I saw my assistant had a Hard Rock Cafe Teneriffa T-shirt. She's
never been there.

But I was in Bielefeld (and London, Dubai, Madrid, Manila, Boracay,
etc.) and brought that cup there.

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BERLIN? Not Bottrop? I had lobbied for that. How on earth? Just because
Berlin is a little bigger? Oh, come on!

Because Bottrop does not have that nice skyline. And no such big tower.
The Tetraeder[*] doesn't count.

Achim
[*] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrahedron_in_Bottrop
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Am 19.04.2016 um 15:37 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):

BERLIN? Not Bottrop? I had lobbied for that. How on earth? Just
because Berlin is a little bigger? Oh, come on!

Because Bottrop does not have that nice skyline.

WTF? It has the nicest of them all:



I can see this from my window. It is visible from many many miles away.
Much better than a silly "space" needle or TV tower.
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Rudy,

| Much better than a silly "space" needle or TV tower.

While it is very nice I wouldn't go so far as to say that. <g>

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On 19.04.2016 15:37, Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
Christopher Burke wrote:

Marco doing his intro now, details up on website.

https://www.embarcadero.com/products/delphi

BERLIN? Not Bottrop? I had lobbied for that. How on earth? Just because
Berlin is a little bigger? Oh, come on!

Why didn't the bright guys in Marketing simply choose
"Llanfairpwllgwyngyll"? Alternatively:
"Llanfair­pwllgwyngyll­gogery­chwyrn­drobwll­llan­tysilio­gogo­goch"

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Aage Johansen wrote:

On 19.04.2016 15:37, Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
Christopher Burke wrote:

Marco doing his intro now, details up on website.

https://www.embarcadero.com/products/delphi

BERLIN? Not Bottrop? I had lobbied for that. How on earth? Just
because Berlin is a little bigger? Oh, come on!

Why didn't the bright guys in Marketing simply choose
"Llanfairpwllgwyngyll"? Alternatively:
"Llanfair­pwllgwyngyll­gogery­chwyrn­drobwll­llan­tysilio­gogo­goch"

Because the bright guys in marketing knew that that doesn't even sound
or look remotely like "Bottrop", of course. Sheesh!

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On 19.04.2016 21:58, Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
Aage Johansen wrote:

On 19.04.2016 15:37, Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
Christopher Burke wrote:

Marco doing his intro now, details up on website.

https://www.embarcadero.com/products/delphi

BERLIN? Not Bottrop? I had lobbied for that. How on earth? Just
because Berlin is a little bigger? Oh, come on!

Why didn't the bright guys in Marketing simply choose
"Llanfairpwllgwyngyll"? Alternatively:
"Llanfair­pwllgwyngyll­gogery­chwyrn­drobwll­llan­tysilio­gogo­goch"

Because the bright guys in marketing knew that that doesn't even sound
or look remotely like "Bottrop", of course. Sheesh!

Should be close enough for marketing.

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Delphi 10 Rio.
Simpler with an Olympic je ne sais quoi to it
Code in Rio ( or was it Rock in Rio? )

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Delphi 10 Rio.
Simpler with an Olympic je ne sais quoi to it
Code in Rio ( or was it Rock in Rio? )

+1 =)

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How about Delphi 10.2 "Redmond" ;)
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How about Delphi 10.2 "Redmond" ;)

Impossible. It can only be "Bottrop". Why doesn't anyone here get that?

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Am 19.04.2016 um 23:09 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
John Mitchell wrote:

How about Delphi 10.2 "Redmond" ;)

Impossible. It can only be "Bottrop". Why doesn't anyone here get that?

Because the only one here not getting that this cannot be is you.
As marketing names are always set in stone and never change it must be
Tokio as announced on the roadmap ;-)

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Am 19.04.2016 um 23:09 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
John Mitchell wrote:

I found a gazillion links to where new customers can download a trial, but
where can registered customers download the upgrade, or do we have to wait?

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There should be an online poll for the name, so something like "Boaty McBoatFace" could win. If that's what the public wants for a $300 million ship, the Delphi community can surely come up with a better name.
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There should be an online poll for the name

No need. It is going to be Bottrop, AFAIAC.

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There should be an online poll for the name, so something like "Boaty
McBoatFace" could win. If that's what the public wants for a $300
million ship, the Delphi community can surely come up with a better
name.

I vote for Cody McCodeFace!

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On 4/19/2016 7:31 PM, N/A Programmer wrote:
I found a gazillion links to where new customers can download a trial, but
where can registered customers download the upgrade, or do we have to wait?

http://edn.embarcadero.com/ -> Downloads -> Registered User Downloads

Took me a while to find it.

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Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
John Mitchell wrote:

How about Delphi 10.2 "Redmond" ;)

Impossible. It can only be "Bottrop". Why doesn't anyone here get that?
Let's see...

There's:

San Francisco
Los Angelos
Chicago
Dallas
St. Paul
Toronto
Montreal
Vancouver
Calgary
Osaka
Nagoya
Sapporo
Beijing
Shanghai
Nanjing
Hong Kong
Singapore
Jakarta
Hamburg
Cologne
Frankfurt
....etc...

And I haven't even mentioned South America, Australia, Africa, etc..

With all those 'large' cities... why Bottrop?

Maybe they should name the next Delphi "Hammersmith"

Edmund
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With all those 'large' cities... why Bottrop?

Well, because they didn't make 10.1 Bottrop.

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Am 20.04.2016 um 12:25 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Edmund Wong wrote:

With all those 'large' cities... why Bottrop?

Well, because they didn't make 10.1 Bottrop.

Ahnd? The didn't make 10.1 Stuttgart either.
With that reasoning Rudy everybody can name his or her favourite city.
I'm still convinced, regarding especially this conversation, that
dropping the city name would be the best solution.

And no, namig it Bottrop would even be a worse solution. ;-)

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Markus Humm wrote:
Am 20.04.2016 um 12:25 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Edmund Wong wrote:

With all those 'large' cities... why Bottrop?

Well, because they didn't make 10.1 Bottrop.

Ahnd? The didn't make 10.1 Stuttgart either.
With that reasoning Rudy everybody can name his or her favourite city.
I'm still convinced, regarding especially this conversation, that
dropping the city name would be the best solution.

And no, namig it Bottrop would even be a worse solution. ;-)

Greetings

Markus

They should make it configurable in an ini file so people could put their favorite city name in there, and it would should up everywhere in the app :)
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Am 20.04.2016 um 12:25 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Edmund Wong wrote:

With all those 'large' cities... why Bottrop?

Well, because they didn't make 10.1 Bottrop.

Ahnd? The didn't make 10.1 Stuttgart either.

Of course not. Why would they?

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Am 21.04.2016 um 08:33 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Markus Humm wrote:

Am 20.04.2016 um 12:25 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Edmund Wong wrote:

With all those 'large' cities... why Bottrop?

Well, because they didn't make 10.1 Bottrop.

Ahnd? The didn't make 10.1 Stuttgart either.

Of course not. Why would they?

Because it's bigger than Bottrop and it hasn't such a nervin promoter of
the town name. ;-)

Greetings

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Markus Humm wrote:

Am 21.04.2016 um 08:33 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Markus Humm wrote:

Am 20.04.2016 um 12:25 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Edmund Wong wrote:

With all those 'large' cities... why Bottrop?

Well, because they didn't make 10.1 Bottrop.

Ahnd? The didn't make 10.1 Stuttgart either.

Of course not. Why would they?

Because it's bigger than Bottrop and it hasn't such a nervin promoter
of the town name. ;-)

I don't think the mayor of Bottrop is "nervig". He's a nice guy,
actually.

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I don't think the mayor of Bottrop is "nervig". He's a nice guy,
actually.

Probably he may not until he sees the new Delphi prices :-D
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Rudy Velthuis wrote:
I don't think the mayor of Bottrop is "nervig". He's a nice guy,
actually.

Probably he may not until he sees the new Delphi prices :-D

I doubt he cares much. Just like the mayors of Seattle and Berlin
probably don't care. <g>

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Am 22.04.2016 um 13:44 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Markus Humm wrote:

Am 21.04.2016 um 08:33 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Markus Humm wrote:

Am 20.04.2016 um 12:25 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Edmund Wong wrote:

With all those 'large' cities... why Bottrop?

Well, because they didn't make 10.1 Bottrop.

Ahnd? The didn't make 10.1 Stuttgart either.

Of course not. Why would they?

Because it's bigger than Bottrop and it hasn't such a nervin promoter
of the town name. ;-)

I don't think the mayor of Bottrop is "nervig". He's a nice guy,
actually.

But he doesn't promote it for being used as additional name for Delphi.
So that person wasn't meant ;-)

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Because it's bigger than Bottrop and it hasn't such a nervin
promoter >> of the town name. ;-)

I don't think the mayor of Bottrop is "nervig". He's a nice guy,
actually.

But he doesn't promote it for being used as additional name for
Delphi.

He promotes the town name Bottrop, as you said. That is one of his
major tasks.
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Am 22.04.2016 um 19:37 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Markus Humm wrote:

Because it's bigger than Bottrop and it hasn't such a nervin
promoter >> of the town name. ;-)

I don't think the mayor of Bottrop is "nervig". He's a nice guy,
actually.

But he doesn't promote it for being used as additional name for
Delphi.

He promotes the town name Bottrop, as you said. That is one of his
major tasks.

But not via adding it to the Delphi name.
I was referring to some other person, but that one doesn't (or doesn't
want to) get that he's meant ;-)

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Edmund,

| With all those 'large' cities... why Bottrop?

Perhaps because that's where Rudy lives. <g>

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Edmund,

With all those 'large' cities... why Bottrop?

Perhaps because that's where Rudy lives. <g>

That too.

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Rudy,

| | > With all those 'large' cities... why Bottrop?
| |
| | Perhaps because that's where Rudy lives. <g>
|
| That too.

BTW,... you never did e-mail me current pictures of the boys.

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Rudy,

| | > With all those 'large' cities... why Bottrop?
|
| | Perhaps because that's where Rudy lives. <g>

That too.

BTW,... you never did e-mail me current pictures of the boys.

Huh? What boys?

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Rudy,

| | BTW,... you never did e-mail me current pictures of the boys.
|
| Huh? What boys?

Your children.

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Den 19-04-2016 kl. 22:43 skrev John Mitchell:
How about Delphi 10.2 "Redmond" ;)

No the had had their 15 minutes of fame with Xamarin...

Delphi 10.2 Cupertino

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Den 19-04-2016 kl. 22:43 skrev John Mitchell:
How about Delphi 10.2 "Redmond" ;)

No the had had their 15 minutes of fame with Xamarin...

Delphi 10.2 Cupertino

-Kurt

Let's go all Inception and have

Delphi 10.2 Delphi

Launch event in Greece in September :)
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Am 20.04.2016 um 06:34 schrieb Kurt Bilde:
Den 19-04-2016 kl. 22:43 skrev John Mitchell:
How about Delphi 10.2 "Redmond" ;)

No the had had their 15 minutes of fame with Xamarin...

Delphi 10.2 Cupertino

-Kurt

Why cCupertino?
Why not going straight and use Redmond?
But everything will be better than Bottrop. ;-)

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Kurt,

| Delphi 10.2 Cupertino

Naw,... that's Apple's territory. <g>

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Naw,... that's Apple's territory. <g>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NRK2oF1Bd0
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Dominique,

| | Naw,... that's Apple's territory. <g>
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NRK2oF1Bd0

<shaking head> I watched for a minute and a half, which was about all
the F***You-s I could take. <g>

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<shaking head> I watched for a minute and a half, which was about all
the F***You-s I could take. <g>

You're so sensitive. Don't ever go to a Trump rally. ;)
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Dominique Willems wrote:

Quentin Correll wrote:
<shaking head> I watched for a minute and a half, which was about
all the F***You-s I could take. <g>

You're so sensitive. Don't ever go to a Trump rally. ;)

Or listen to German satirists. <g>

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Am 22.04.2016 um 13:44 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Dominique Willems wrote:

Quentin Correll wrote:
<shaking head> I watched for a minute and a half, which was about
all the F***You-s I could take. <g>

You're so sensitive. Don't ever go to a Trump rally. ;)

Or listen to German satirists. <g>

Maybe he's a close relative to Mr. Erdogan? ;-)

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Markus Humm wrote:

Am 22.04.2016 um 13:44 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Dominique Willems wrote:

Quentin Correll wrote:
<shaking head> I watched for a minute and a half, which was about
all the F***You-s I could take. <g>

You're so sensitive. Don't ever go to a Trump rally. ;)

Or listen to German satirists. <g>

Maybe he's a close relative to Mr. Erdogan? ;-)

FWIW, Germans have this knack for destroying jokes by explaining them.
<g>

The worst offender was "comedian" Theo Lingen. In the early days (i.e.
when I arrived in Germany, mid-eighties), he had a TV show that showed
sketches and after each sketch, Mr. Lingen would explain why it was
funny. <g>
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Dominique,

| | <shaking head> I watched for a minute and a half, which was about
| | all the F***You-s I could take. <g>

| You're so sensitive. Don't ever go to a Trump rally. ;)

<giggling OL>

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Delphi 10.X Eyjafjallajokull
Has this future name suggestion been reported to QC already?
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I still do not get all this naming nonsence. Why couldn't those who invented this <censored> just take the IKEA catalog and pull names from it if they insisted on ruining the versioning anyway? Delphi Faktum, Delphi Rimforsa, Delphi Ledda...
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I still do not get all this naming nonsence.

You don't get it that products have names? Oh kaye.

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You don't get it that products have names? Oh kaye.

Products have names: Delphi, for example. Versions have numbers. No reasons to make things more complex than necessary.
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Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
You don't get it that products have names? Oh kaye.

Products have names: Delphi, for example. Versions have numbers.

Versions can have names too, e.g. Ubuntu, OS X, Android, Windows, etc.

It is perhaps a complicated concept for some, but hey, welcome in the
21st century. <g>

Wikipedia says:

Software versioning is the process of assigning either unique version
names or unique version numbers to unique states of computer software.

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Am 21.04.2016 um 18:35 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Alexander Elagin wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
You don't get it that products have names? Oh kaye.

Products have names: Delphi, for example. Versions have numbers.

Versions can have names too, e.g. Ubuntu, OS X, Android, Windows, etc.

It is perhaps a complicated concept for some, but hey, welcome in the
21st century. <g>

21st century should make things easier. But now we have it: Berlin is
not a product, but a version name.

So yes, the product already had a name and the product already has a
version even if marketing is not using that one. But that just means
that there was no real need to use something else as all really
necessary parts already existed. Adding more to it is just justifying
marketing department. But the time for choosing a new naming sheme would
be better used for other things in my eyes.

Greetings

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Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

Alexander Elagin wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
You don't get it that products have names? Oh kaye.

Products have names: Delphi, for example. Versions have numbers.

Versions can have names too, e.g. Ubuntu, OS X, Android, Windows, etc.

It is perhaps a complicated concept for some, but hey, welcome in the
21st century. <g>

Wikipedia says:

Software versioning is the process of assigning either unique version
names or unique version numbers to unique states of computer software.

One could simplify that by calling them "unique identifiers." Then they could simply assign a GUID to each new version and either create memory tests (which I would fail) or cause a spate of new software identifying the identifiers. Marketers, here's an opportunity!

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One could simplify that by calling them "unique identifiers." Then
they could simply assign a GUID to each new version

Yeah, very mnemonic. "Oh, BTW, in version
{BA9B9B76-6F2D-4A89-94F6-3E28E03CA18C}, if I want to install a
component, what exactly do I have to do?"

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John Treder wrote:

One could simplify that by calling them "unique identifiers." Then
they could simply assign a GUID to each new version

Yeah, very mnemonic. "Oh, BTW, in version
{BA9B9B76-6F2D-4A89-94F6-3E28E03CA18C}, if I want to install a
component, what exactly do I have to do?"

Well, that's already the case, look at the garbage that's left over in
c:\ProgramData ...
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Olivier Sannier wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
John Treder wrote:

One could simplify that by calling them "unique identifiers." Then
they could simply assign a GUID to each new version

Yeah, very mnemonic. "Oh, BTW, in version
{BA9B9B76-6F2D-4A89-94F6-3E28E03CA18C}, if I want to install a
component, what exactly do I have to do?"

Well, that's already the case, look at the garbage that's left over
in c:\ProgramData ...

But that is not used as program version name, right? It is only used by
installers, not by humans.

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Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
Olivier Sannier wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
John Treder wrote:

One could simplify that by calling them "unique identifiers." Then
they could simply assign a GUID to each new version

Yeah, very mnemonic. "Oh, BTW, in version
{BA9B9B76-6F2D-4A89-94F6-3E28E03CA18C}, if I want to install a
component, what exactly do I have to do?"

Well, that's already the case, look at the garbage that's left over
in c:\ProgramData ...

But that is not used as program version name, right? It is only used by
installers, not by humans.

That was never a serious remark ;-)
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John Treder wrote:

One could simplify that by calling them "unique identifiers." Then
they could simply assign a GUID to each new version

Yeah, very mnemonic. "Oh, BTW, in version
{BA9B9B76-6F2D-4A89-94F6-3E28E03CA18C}, if I want to install a
component, what exactly do I have to do?"

That's the marketing opportunity - a utility that translates the GUID into "version Bottrop" or whatever the user likes.

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John,

| That's the marketing opportunity - a utility that translates the GUID
| into "version Bottrop" or whatever the user likes.

That may actually be a good idea. <g>

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Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
You don't get it that products have names? Oh kaye.

Products have names: Delphi, for example. Versions have numbers. No
reasons to make things more complex than necessary.

What on earth is complex about a *name*? They are much easier to
remember than numbers, for most people. A unique name is much more
mnemonic than a unique number.

As I have said before, most people know they have OS X El Capitan, but
don't know, nor care about the particular version number that it has.

Or what about Windows Vista or Windows XP? Do you know, without
looking, which version numbers they had?

Do you know which version number Ubuntu Vivid Vervet or Precise
Pangolin have?

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Am 21.04.2016 um 19:00 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Alexander Elagin wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
You don't get it that products have names? Oh kaye.

Products have names: Delphi, for example. Versions have numbers. No
reasons to make things more complex than necessary.

What on earth is complex about a *name*? They are much easier to
remember than numbers, for most people. A unique name is much more
mnemonic than a unique number.

As I have said before, most people know they have OS X El Capitan, but
don't know, nor care about the particular version number that it has.

Or what about Windows Vista or Windows XP? Do you know, without
looking, which version numbers they had?

Windows XP was 5.1 and Vista 6.0.
You only don't know them because the numbers have not been used
publically in the product name. If they had you would know.
And no, I don't know the animal names of Ubuntu releases.

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Am 21.04.2016 um 19:00 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Alexander Elagin wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
You don't get it that products have names? Oh kaye.

Products have names: Delphi, for example. Versions have numbers. No
reasons to make things more complex than necessary.

What on earth is complex about a name? They are much easier to
remember than numbers, for most people. A unique name is much more
mnemonic than a unique number.

As I have said before, most people know they have OS X El Capitan,
but don't know, nor care about the particular version number that
it has.

Or what about Windows Vista or Windows XP? Do you know, without
looking, which version numbers they had?

Windows XP was 5.1 and Vista 6.0.
You only don't know them because the numbers have not been used
publically in the product name.

I don't know them because I don't care. No one says "I have this
problem on Windows 6.0: how do I open the whachamacallit?", they ask
how to open it on Windows Vista.

No one asks "how do I set an editor font in OS X 10.11?", they ask how
to do that in OS X El Capitan.

People prefer names. That's a fact. Only nitpickers prefer easy to
forget, look-alike version numbers over proper, much easier to
distinguish names. And marketing knows this. You, apparently, don't
know it yet.

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  Posted: Apr 22, 2016 9:21 AM   in response to: Rudy Velthuis (... in response to: Rudy Velthuis (...
Am 22.04.2016 um 02:57 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Markus Humm wrote:

No one asks "how do I set an editor font in OS X 10.11?", they ask how
to do that in OS X El Capitan.

People prefer names. That's a fact. Only nitpickers prefer easy to
forget, look-alike version numbers over proper, much easier to
distinguish names. And marketing knows this. You, apparently, don't
know it yet.

I know them because afaik I once used them in some batch file which had
to run on PCs with different OS and then do different things based on
the OS version.

Greetings

Markus
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Re: Delphi 10.1 Berlin
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  Posted: Apr 22, 2016 10:42 AM   in response to: Markus Humm in response to: Markus Humm
Markus Humm wrote:

Am 22.04.2016 um 02:57 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Markus Humm wrote:

No one asks "how do I set an editor font in OS X 10.11?", they ask
how to do that in OS X El Capitan.

People prefer names. That's a fact. Only nitpickers prefer easy to
forget, look-alike version numbers over proper, much easier to
distinguish names. And marketing knows this. You, apparently, don't
know it yet.

I know them because afaik I once used them in some batch file

And I'm sure that is also why some others know them. You're geeks.

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Re: Delphi 10.1 Berlin
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  Posted: Apr 21, 2016 8:04 PM   in response to: Rudy Velthuis (... in response to: Rudy Velthuis (...
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
Do you know which version number Ubuntu Vivid Vervet or Precise
Pangolin have?

I've only met one live pangolin, in Botswana. I petted it and rubbed my head on it for good luck. I didn't try to determine its sex.

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Re: Delphi 10.1 Berlin
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  Posted: Apr 21, 2016 10:27 PM   in response to: Rudy Velthuis (... in response to: Rudy Velthuis (...
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
Or what about Windows Vista or Windows XP? Do you know, without
looking, which version numbers they had?

At a blink. XP is 5.1, Vista is 6.0. That is what I check in code.

Do you know which version number Ubuntu Vivid Vervet or Precise
Pangolin have?

Have no idea. These are funny aliases to real version numbers. My primary operating system is Mint 17.3 which is based on Ubuntu 14.04.
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  Posted: Apr 22, 2016 4:49 AM   in response to: Alexander Elagin in response to: Alexander Elagin
Alexander Elagin wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
Or what about Windows Vista or Windows XP? Do you know, without
looking, which version numbers they had?

At a blink. XP is 5.1, Vista is 6.0.

I don't. My code doesn't care. Most people don't care. It is clear that
you guys are geeks, and have no clue about marketing. <g>

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  Posted: Apr 22, 2016 7:45 AM   in response to: Rudy Velthuis (... in response to: Rudy Velthuis (...
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

I don't. My code doesn't care. Most people don't care. It is clear
that you guys are geeks, and have no clue about marketing. <g>

And sometimes marketers don't have a clue about marketing. At
Gulfstream Aerospace, they have a Gulfstream 500, which is a short
range version of the 550. Then a year or so ago they announced two new
models, one of which is called the Gulfstream 500, and bears no parts
or resemblence to the existing 500. Now they have two different
products with the same name!

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  Posted: Apr 22, 2016 10:42 AM   in response to: Van Swofford in response to: Van Swofford
Van Swofford wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

I don't. My code doesn't care. Most people don't care. It is clear
that you guys are geeks, and have no clue about marketing. <g>

And sometimes marketers don't have a clue about marketing.

But most of the time they do.
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  Posted: Apr 22, 2016 9:25 AM   in response to: Rudy Velthuis (... in response to: Rudy Velthuis (...
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
It is clear that you guys are geeks, and have no clue about marketing. <g>
Being an engineer, I am immune to whatever marketing tries to push :-)
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  Posted: Apr 22, 2016 10:43 AM   in response to: Alexander Elagin in response to: Alexander Elagin
Alexander Elagin wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
It is clear that you guys are geeks, and have no clue about
marketing. <g>
Being an engineer, I am immune to whatever marketing tries to push :-)

That is what you think.
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Re: Delphi 10.1 Berlin
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  Posted: Apr 21, 2016 11:34 PM   in response to: Rudy Velthuis (... in response to: Rudy Velthuis (...
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

What on earth is complex about a name? They are much easier to
remember than numbers, for most people. A unique name is much more
mnemonic than a unique number.

The order of names are harder to remember than the order of numbers.
Was Berlin released before or after Seattle?

Unless they had choosen a unique alphabetic sequence:

Ankara
Berlin
Chicago
Dublin
etc.

Then they could choose a new naming scheme after 26 releases.
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  Posted: Apr 22, 2016 4:50 AM   in response to: Uffe Kousgaard in response to: Uffe Kousgaard
Uffe Kousgaard wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

What on earth is complex about a name? They are much easier to
remember than numbers, for most people. A unique name is much more
mnemonic than a unique number.

The order of names are harder to remember than the order of numbers.
Was Berlin released before or after Seattle?

Unless they had choosen a unique alphabetic sequence:

Ankara
Berlin
Chicago
Dublin
etc.

Then they could choose a new naming scheme after 26 releases.

Ankara, Berlin, ...? Did you mean Amsterdam, Bottrop, ...?

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Re: Delphi 10.1 Berlin
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  Posted: Apr 22, 2016 9:23 AM   in response to: Rudy Velthuis (... in response to: Rudy Velthuis (...
Am 22.04.2016 um 13:50 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Uffe Kousgaard wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

What on earth is complex about a name? They are much easier to
remember than numbers, for most people. A unique name is much more
mnemonic than a unique number.

The order of names are harder to remember than the order of numbers.
Was Berlin released before or after Seattle?

Unless they had choosen a unique alphabetic sequence:

Ankara
Berlin
Chicago
Dublin
etc.

Then they could choose a new naming scheme after 26 releases.

Ankara, Berlin, ...? Did you mean Amsterdam, Bottrop, ...?

No. Talking about Ankara (esp. in Germany currently) and Berlin is more
common so the names are more common as well and sicne they want to gain
biggest possible audience more common names are being picked.

Greetings

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Re: Delphi 10.1 Berlin
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  Posted: Apr 22, 2016 10:44 AM   in response to: Markus Humm in response to: Markus Humm
Markus Humm wrote:

Am 22.04.2016 um 13:50 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Uffe Kousgaard wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

What on earth is complex about a name? They are much easier to
remember than numbers, for most people. A unique name is much more
mnemonic than a unique number.

The order of names are harder to remember than the order of
numbers. >> Was Berlin released before or after Seattle?

Unless they had choosen a unique alphabetic sequence:

Ankara
Berlin
Chicago
Dublin
etc.

Then they could choose a new naming scheme after 26 releases.

Ankara, Berlin, ...? Did you mean Amsterdam, Bottrop, ...?

No. Talking about Ankara (esp. in Germany currently)

That man is from Istanbul (and proud of it), not from Ankara. So yes,
Amsterdam is correct.

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  Posted: Apr 23, 2016 12:32 AM   in response to: Rudy Velthuis (... in response to: Rudy Velthuis (...
Am 22.04.2016 um 19:44 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Markus Humm wrote:

Am 22.04.2016 um 13:50 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Uffe Kousgaard wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

What on earth is complex about a name? They are much easier to
remember than numbers, for most people. A unique name is much more
mnemonic than a unique number.

The order of names are harder to remember than the order of
numbers. >> Was Berlin released before or after Seattle?

Unless they had choosen a unique alphabetic sequence:

Ankara
Berlin
Chicago
Dublin
etc.

Then they could choose a new naming scheme after 26 releases.

Ankara, Berlin, ...? Did you mean Amsterdam, Bottrop, ...?

No. Talking about Ankara (esp. in Germany currently)

That man is from Istanbul (and proud of it), not from Ankara. So yes,
Amsterdam is correct.

But the capital is Ankara with the seat of government and not Istambul.

Greetings

Markus
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Re: Delphi 10.1 Berlin
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Am 21.04.2016 um 14:56 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Alexander Elagin wrote:

I still do not get all this naming nonsence.

You don't get it that products have names? Oh kaye.

The product already has a name: Delphi or C++ Builder or RAD Studio.
That's a name. So no real need to add any city name and especially no
need to use Bottrop, a city nobody outside Germany will know and few
Germans will have been there even. Then better use Schwäbisch Hall and
try to get some sponsoring of that particular company with the same name
located there for using the name. Or will Bottrop sponsor the use of its
name? Don't think so.

Greetings

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  Posted: Apr 22, 2016 4:51 AM   in response to: Markus Humm in response to: Markus Humm
Markus Humm wrote:

Am 21.04.2016 um 14:56 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB):
Alexander Elagin wrote:

I still do not get all this naming nonsence.

You don't get it that products have names? Oh kaye.

The product already has a name: Delphi or C++ Builder or RAD Studio.
That's a name.

Seattle, Berlin or Bottrop are names indicating the respective
versions. <shrug>

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Re: Delphi 10.1 Berlin
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  Posted: Apr 22, 2016 1:41 PM   in response to: Christopher Burke in response to: Christopher Burke
This caught my eye in the feature matrix.

New in 10.1 Berlin! [Weak] and [Unsafe] support for interface references for the Windows and OSX Delphi
compilers

Thats awesome.
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