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Van Swofford

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  Posted: Sep 28, 2015 3:18 PM
Hi y'all,

I recently upgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10, and now I'm
experiencing an issue compiling an old project with Delphi 7. The
search paths in Project / Options / Directories/Conditionals / Search
Path all point to a drive that is defined with a subst command to point
to my Onedrive folder. Delphi 7 can't find anything on that drive in
Windows 10. It worked fine with Windows 7, and it works with Delphi
XE8. Any ideas to how I can get D7 to recognize that drive in Win 10?

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  Posted: Sep 28, 2015 4:16 PM   in response to: Van Swofford in response to: Van Swofford
Van wrote:

Delphi 7 can't find anything on that drive in Windows 10.

Did you re-subst the drive after upgrading Windows? Is the IDE running in
the same user account that creates the subst drive? Can you open a command-line
prompt, go to the drive, and see anything?

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On 29/09/2015 9:16 AM, Remy Lebeau (TeamB) wrote:
Van wrote:

Delphi 7 can't find anything on that drive in Windows 10.

Did you re-subst the drive after upgrading Windows? Is the IDE running in
the same user account that creates the subst drive? Can you open a command-line
prompt, go to the drive, and see anything?
I'm guessing that "works in XE8" might cover that ?
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Remy Lebeau (TeamB) wrote:

Van wrote:

Delphi 7 can't find anything on that drive in Windows 10.

Did you re-subst the drive after upgrading Windows? Is the IDE
running in the same user account that creates the subst drive? Can
you open a command-line prompt, go to the drive, and see anything?

Hi Remy,
Yes, I re-subst the drive each time I reboot. As I recall, mapping a
network drive survives a reboot, but subst doesn't. I only use one
user account, so yes, the IDE is in the same account. I can see
everything on that drive both from File Explorer and a command line
prompt. Also, XE8 recognizes the drive and can find files there under
Windows 10. So far, every app I use has been able to find files on
that drive except for Delphi 7.

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  Posted: Oct 1, 2015 6:24 AM   in response to: Van Swofford in response to: Van Swofford
Van Swofford wrote:
Yes, I re-subst the drive each time I reboot.

FWIW, I use the following instead of subst, saves you from running the subst command during logon and happens earlier during logon process IIRC:

In "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\DOS Devices" add a new string value, say "P:", with value "\??\C:\Prog\" (both without the quotes of course).

This will map "C:\Prog" directory to drive P.

Cheers
- Asbjørn
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  Posted: Oct 1, 2015 9:41 AM   in response to: Asbjørn Heid in response to: Asbjørn Heid
Asbjørn Heid wrote:

Van Swofford wrote:
Yes, I re-subst the drive each time I reboot.

FWIW, I use the following instead of subst, saves you from running
the subst command during logon and happens earlier during logon
process IIRC:

In "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session
Manager\DOS Devices" add a new string value, say "P:", with value
"\??\C:\Prog\" (both without the quotes of course).

This will map "C:\Prog" directory to drive P.

Cheers
- Asbjørn

Thanks Asbjørn! I'll give that a try.

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  Posted: Oct 2, 2015 7:52 AM   in response to: Asbjørn Heid in response to: Asbjørn Heid
Asbjørn Heid wrote:

Van Swofford wrote:
Yes, I re-subst the drive each time I reboot.

FWIW, I use the following instead of subst, saves you from running
the subst command during logon and happens earlier during logon
process IIRC:

In "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session
Manager\DOS Devices" add a new string value, say "P:", with value
"\??\C:\Prog\" (both without the quotes of course).

This will map "C:\Prog" directory to drive P.

Cheers
- Asbjørn

Asbjørn, you are my hero! This works like a champ. Not only does it
replace doing subst at every logon, Delphi 7 now recognizes the drive
and all of its folders! I can now say that with a little work, Delphi
7 is working perfectly on Windows 10. And the "little work" has all
been self inflicted, due to my choice of file structure.

Thank you!!

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  Posted: Oct 2, 2015 9:36 AM   in response to: Van Swofford in response to: Van Swofford
Van Swofford wrote:

Asbjørn, you are my hero! This works like a champ.

Yeah, I wish permanent subst support was a bit easier to set up.

I had to do this recently and located a free batch file that would do
it online. It may have been this one http://superuser.com/a/926426/40755

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John Kaster wrote:

Van Swofford wrote:

Asbjørn, you are my hero! This works like a champ.

Yeah, I wish permanent subst support was a bit easier to set up.

I had to do this recently and located a free batch file that would do
it online. It may have been this one
http://superuser.com/a/926426/40755

Thanks John, I'll check it out.

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Van Swofford wrote:

Thanks John, I'll check it out

You're welcome.

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  Posted: Sep 29, 2015 10:33 AM   in response to: Van Swofford in response to: Van Swofford
Van,

| I recently upgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10, and now I'm
| experiencing an issue compiling an old project with Delphi 7.

I had so many issues with Windows 10 that I restored my system to
Windows 7-64!!!

I'm MUCH happier now!!!!!!!

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Quentin Correll wrote:

Van,

I recently upgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10, and now I'm
experiencing an issue compiling an old project with Delphi 7.

I had so many issues with Windows 10 that I restored my system to
Windows 7-64!!!

I'm MUCH happier now!!!!!!!

So far, I like Win 10 overall, though the "everything looks like a
polar bear in a snowstorm" look I could really do without. It seems
we've come full circle, and now computer screens are emulating plain
white paper. I could do that in first grade with, well, plain white
paper and a pencil. I hope for something better in a future update.

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  Posted: Sep 30, 2015 12:21 AM   in response to: Van Swofford in response to: Van Swofford
Van Swofford wrote:
Quentin Correll wrote:

Van,

I recently upgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10, and now I'm
experiencing an issue compiling an old project with Delphi 7.

I had so many issues with Windows 10 that I restored my system to
Windows 7-64!!!

I'm MUCH happier now!!!!!!!

So far, I like Win 10 overall, though the "everything looks like a
polar bear in a snowstorm" look I could really do without. It seems
we've come full circle, and now computer screens are emulating plain
white paper. I could do that in first grade with, well, plain white
paper and a pencil. I hope for something better in a future update.

Oh, I fully agree. The Windows 10 theme is user unfriendly pathetic ugly crap!
And no games!!

But, apart from that I haven't had a single problem with it since the upgrade from Win 7.
In fact, it feels better than Win 7, and the hope of a better theme in the future
is keeping me from going back. Well, staying in the past isn't very attractive either.
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  Posted: Sep 30, 2015 2:21 AM   in response to: Van Swofford in response to: Van Swofford
Van Swofford wrote:
Quentin Correll wrote:

Van,

I recently upgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10, and now I'm
experiencing an issue compiling an old project with Delphi 7.

I had so many issues with Windows 10 that I restored my system to
Windows 7-64!!!

I'm MUCH happier now!!!!!!!

So far, I like Win 10 overall, though the "everything looks like a
polar bear in a snowstorm" look I could really do without. It seems
we've come full circle, and now computer screens are emulating plain
white paper. I could do that in first grade with, well, plain white
paper and a pencil. I hope for something better in a future update.

Could not say it better, I had to decrease the brightness on my monitor.
All that white was hurting my eyes.

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Dalija Prasnikar wrote:

Van Swofford wrote:
Quentin Correll wrote:

Van,

I recently upgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10, and now I'm
experiencing an issue compiling an old project with Delphi 7.

I had so many issues with Windows 10 that I restored my system to
Windows 7-64!!!

I'm MUCH happier now!!!!!!!

So far, I like Win 10 overall, though the "everything looks like a
polar bear in a snowstorm" look I could really do without. It seems
we've come full circle, and now computer screens are emulating plain
white paper. I could do that in first grade with, well, plain white
paper and a pencil. I hope for something better in a future update.

Could not say it better, I had to decrease the brightness on my
monitor. All that white was hurting my eyes.

Yeah, and it's even worse if you can't sleep at night and try to check
your email in a dark room. Whoa dude! :-)

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"Dalija Prasnikar" wrote on Wed, 30 Sep 2015 02:21:51 -0700:

Could not say it better, I had to decrease the brightness on my monitor.
All that white was hurting my eyes.

I've always found it interesting that programmers often prefer dark
themes. All of the research I have read shows that dark themes cause
more eyestrain for most people, and dark themes on web sites are
extremely hard to do right.

I have often gone through the trouble of making everything dark only
to revert to a light theme after a day of discomfort.

To each his (or her) own, naturally. :-)

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Dalija Prasnikar

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Brandon Staggs wrote:
"Dalija Prasnikar" wrote on Wed, 30 Sep 2015 02:21:51 -0700:

Could not say it better, I had to decrease the brightness on my monitor.
All that white was hurting my eyes.

I've always found it interesting that programmers often prefer dark
themes. All of the research I have read shows that dark themes cause
more eyestrain for most people, and dark themes on web sites are
extremely hard to do right.

I have often gone through the trouble of making everything dark only
to revert to a light theme after a day of discomfort.

To each his (or her) own, naturally. :-)

Don't get me wrong. I hate dark themes. I cannot use them at all. But
on the other hand Windows 10 are just way too white.

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  Posted: Sep 30, 2015 3:53 AM   in response to: Van Swofford in response to: Van Swofford
Van Swofford wrote:

So far, I like Win 10 overall, though the "everything looks like a
polar bear in a snowstorm" look I could really do without. It seems
we've come full circle, and now computer screens are emulating plain
white paper. I could do that in first grade with, well, plain white
paper and a pencil. I hope for something better in a future update.

That's because they went from "looking as real as possible"
(skeuomorphic) design to the opposite, flat design. I'm sure that later
on, a sensible mix will appear. Actually "almost flat" is already
appearing as a new style.

These days, web design is far ahead of UI design. <g>

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Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

Van Swofford wrote:

So far, I like Win 10 overall, though the "everything looks like a
polar bear in a snowstorm" look I could really do without. It seems
we've come full circle, and now computer screens are emulating plain
white paper. I could do that in first grade with, well, plain white
paper and a pencil. I hope for something better in a future update.

That's because they went from "looking as real as possible"
(skeuomorphic) design to the opposite, flat design. I'm sure that
later on, a sensible mix will appear. Actually "almost flat" is
already appearing as a new style.

These days, web design is far ahead of UI design. <g>

I'll agree with that! I'd be happy, or at least happier, if they would
just put a line to mark the boundary between one thing and another, eg.
XanaNews has a white title bar and white menu bar with nothing to
separate them. At least with Office 2016, they've gone back to a
colored title bar.

And on the plus side, buttons still look like buttons, flat though they
are. I hate the change in iOS 7 to buttons being just another text
label that does something if you tap it. How do you know what's a
button? Tap all the text until you find one that does something.

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"Van Swofford" wrote on Wed, 30 Sep 2015 07:58:31 -0700:

I'll agree with that! I'd be happy, or at least happier, if they would
just put a line to mark the boundary between one thing and another, eg.
XanaNews has a white title bar and white menu bar with nothing to
separate them. At least with Office 2016, they've gone back to a
colored title bar.

The current insider preview version of Windows 10 lets you apply color
to title bars. That one's already done for a future update at least.

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Brandon Staggs wrote:

"Van Swofford" wrote on Wed, 30 Sep 2015 07:58:31 -0700:

I'll agree with that! I'd be happy, or at least happier, if they
would just put a line to mark the boundary between one thing and
another, eg. XanaNews has a white title bar and white menu bar
with nothing to separate them. At least with Office 2016, they've
gone back to a colored title bar.

The current insider preview version of Windows 10 lets you apply color
to title bars. That one's already done for a future update at least.

Groovy! :-)

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  Posted: Oct 4, 2015 8:25 AM   in response to: Van Swofford in response to: Van Swofford
Van Swofford wrote:

Groovy! :-)

Do people overthere still say that? <g>

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Rudy,

| | Groovy! :-)
|
| Do people overthere still say that? <g>

That's the first time I've seen/heard it in decades. <g>

I didn't realize that Van was that old. ;-)

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Quentin Correll wrote:

Rudy,

| Groovy! :-)
| Do people overthere still say that? <g>

That's the first time I've seen/heard it in decades. <g>

I didn't realize that Van was that old. ;-)

Dude! Yeah...

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Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

Van Swofford wrote:

Groovy! :-)

Do people overthere still say that? <g>

I don't know about people, but geeks like me still do. :-)

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On 30/09/2015 3:33 AM, Quentin Correll wrote:
Van,

| I recently upgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10, and now I'm
| experiencing an issue compiling an old project with Delphi 7.

I had so many issues with Windows 10 that I restored my system to
Windows 7-64!!!

I'm MUCH happier now!!!!!!!

Why Windows 7, Windows 8 is where all the big improvements came -
without some of the more esoteric problems Windows 10 delivered.
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Christopher,

| Why Windows 7, Windows 8 is where all the big improvements came -
| without some of the more esoteric problems Windows 10 delivered.

I HATED Windows 8!!! I immediately went back to Win7 after trying
Win8!

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Quentin Correll wrote:
Christopher,

| Why Windows 7, Windows 8 is where all the big improvements came -
| without some of the more esoteric problems Windows 10 delivered.

I HATED Windows 8!!! I immediately went back to Win7 after trying
Win8!

Well, Win 8 and Win 10 are acquired taste. I don't have to say that people
have troubles acquiring it ;-)

The only thing I like is improved Task Manager. And that is about it.
But I cannot have luxury of ignoring them <grumble>.

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Dalija,

| Well, Win 8 and Win 10 are acquired taste.

Both of which made me ill.

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On 2015-09-30 4:09 PM, Dalija Prasnikar wrote:

The only thing I like is improved Task Manager. And that is about it.
But I cannot have luxury of ignoring them <grumble>.
There is one change that I like that is coming. And, that's the new
environment variable editor, you'll be able to edit the PATH variable in
the same way that you edit the search and library paths in the latest
Delphi IDEs. It's in the latest Windows 10 insider preview, for those
who want to try it.

Daniel Rail
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In article <734602 at forums dot embarcadero dot com>, Daniel Rail
<daniel at accra dot ca> wrote
There is one change that I like that is coming. And, that's the new
environment variable editor, you'll be able to edit the PATH variable in
the same way that you edit the search and library paths in the latest
Delphi IDEs. It's in the latest Windows 10 insider preview,

No need to wait for that.

http://www.rapidee.com/en/about

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No need to wait for that.

http://www.rapidee.com/en/about

Another tool written in Delphi.

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Another tool written in Delphi.

And one well worth donating to. I use it every day, and so I made a
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Daniel Rail wrote:

On 2015-09-30 4:09 PM, Dalija Prasnikar wrote:

The only thing I like is improved Task Manager. And that is about
it. But I cannot have luxury of ignoring them <grumble>.
There is one change that I like that is coming. And, that's the new
environment variable editor, you'll be able to edit the PATH variable
in the same way that you edit the search and library paths in the
latest Delphi IDEs. It's in the latest Windows 10 insider preview,
for those who want to try it.

Hmmm... for that I use the Rapid Environment Editor.
http://www.rapidee.com/en/about

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Rudy Velthuis http://www.rvelthuis.de

"We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public
office."
-- Aesop
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