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Christopher Burke

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Raize RC6 for Seattle?
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  Posted: Sep 6, 2015 8:17 PM
Is there going to be an RC6 for Seattle ?

If not - are the new signature components effectively RC7?

If they are functionally still RC6 - normally I'd be able to download a
RC6 updated for the new install paths etc, how do I do that?

If they are RC7 - what's new from RC6 to RC7 ?

So far Raize has told me to talk to Embarcadero, and Embarcadero seems
silent except paying $447/year for an unknown (by looking on the shop).

Does anyone actually know ?
Brandon Staggs

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  Posted: Sep 7, 2015 6:30 AM   in response to: Christopher Burke in response to: Christopher Burke
"Christopher Burke" wrote on Sun, 6 Sep 2015 20:17:48 -0700:

Does anyone actually know ?

Yes, Ray will not be providing updates any more and you have to go to
Emba.

This is one reason I never buy any third-party component without
source.

I opened the RC6 project files, commented out the unnecessary .inc
file for the library suffix, and built them for D10 Seattle. I have
not had much time to test it yet but it seems to be fine.

You may need to search your hard drive for raize dcp/bpl files and
remove them. They seem to end up everywhere.

Ray's method of using command files for building the package files/etc
was always a problem for me since I have some modifications in his
source. I guess he needed that to support multiple versions of Delphi
and non-source delivery to some customers or something. Anyway I
suppose you could just edit his .cmd files and the .inc files as well
if you want, but I didn't bother as that approach never made any sense
to me.

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Matthew Kinney

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  Posted: Sep 10, 2015 4:20 AM   in response to: Christopher Burke in response to: Christopher Burke
Christopher Burke wrote:
Is there going to be an RC6 for Seattle ?

If not - are the new signature components effectively RC7?

If they are functionally still RC6 - normally I'd be able to download a
RC6 updated for the new install paths etc, how do I do that?

If they are RC7 - what's new from RC6 to RC7 ?

So far Raize has told me to talk to Embarcadero, and Embarcadero seems
silent except paying $447/year for an unknown (by looking on the shop).

Does anyone actually know ?

Wondering the same thing myself (and waiting to upgrade because of it). Hoping EMB doesn't just recompile it for Seattle and then try to force me to pay some silly amount of money--I don't mind paying for fixes and real enhancements, but paying just because EMB bought them when we have been getting RC6 updates from Ray without having to pony up seems disingenuous to say the least. I have been using the components for years (I think RC3 was my first version) so paying up for new versions with real enhancements and new components has never been a problem.
Brandon Staggs

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  Posted: Sep 10, 2015 6:30 AM   in response to: Matthew Kinney in response to: Matthew Kinney
"Matthew Kinney" wrote on Thu, 10 Sep 2015 04:20:13 -0700:

Wondering the same thing myself (and waiting to upgrade because of it).

You can always build it yourself when upgrading Delphi.

I am not interested in paying Embarcadero $300 a year just for updated
package libraries for Raize Components either... I will just be
rebuilding the components as needed from source from now on. If there
are ever any real changes or enhancements I will consider it then.

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Christopher Burke

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  Posted: Sep 10, 2015 10:00 AM   in response to: Brandon Staggs in response to: Brandon Staggs
Brandon Staggs wrote:

"Matthew Kinney" wrote on Thu, 10 Sep 2015 04:20:13 -0700:

Wondering the same thing myself (and waiting to upgrade because of
it).

You can always build it yourself when upgrading Delphi.

I might be able to, but it isn't a sustainable thing in the long run
for who ever might take over software development.

Currently I have 'project code' and 'installed libraries', Raize
currently longer fits in either category.

Sure source helps me get by in a pinch, but it breaks the "if I'm run
over by a bus" test a bit.
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  Posted: Sep 10, 2015 2:54 PM   in response to: Christopher Burke in response to: Christopher Burke
"Christopher Burke" wrote on Thu, 10 Sep 2015 10:00:35 -0700:

Sure source helps me get by in a pinch, but it breaks the "if I'm run
over by a bus" test a bit.

I find that divorcing the component from vendor support makes me feel
a lot better about it going forward -- I have integrated some pretty
big libraries into my projects in the past only to see them abandoned
by the vendors.

Anyway, the alternative is to just pay for updates from Emba. At $300
a year I would think they would be incentivized to build new packages
for each new Delphi.

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Markus Humm

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  Posted: Sep 10, 2015 10:58 AM   in response to: Brandon Staggs in response to: Brandon Staggs
Am 10.09.2015 um 15:30 schrieb Brandon Staggs:
"Matthew Kinney" wrote on Thu, 10 Sep 2015 04:20:13 -0700:

Wondering the same thing myself (and waiting to upgrade because of it).

You can always build it yourself when upgrading Delphi.

I am not interested in paying Embarcadero $300 a year just for updated
package libraries for Raize Components either... I will just be
rebuilding the components as needed from source from now on. If there
are ever any real changes or enhancements I will consider it then.

Hello,

when I've read the EMBT messages correctly they might have done some
little bit of work regarding Windows 10 on those controls
(e.g. styling).

I don't know how much work they did and if that's worth to you, but you
can always ask EMBT forlks about it. e.g. Marco or David I.

Greetings

Markus
Christopher Burke

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  Posted: Sep 10, 2015 11:51 AM   in response to: Markus Humm in response to: Markus Humm
Markus Humm wrote:

I don't know how much work they did and if that's worth to you, but
you can always ask EMBT forlks about it. e.g. Marco or David I.

Yeah, they are too busy to reply to emails it seems.

As it stands, my only option currently it to incorporate Raize into our
source (as I've done for small chunks of JCL and OnGuard).
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  Posted: Sep 10, 2015 2:54 PM   in response to: Markus Humm in response to: Markus Humm
"Markus Humm" wrote on Thu, 10 Sep 2015 10:58:48 -0700:

when I've read the EMBT messages correctly they might have done some
little bit of work regarding Windows 10 on those controls
(e.g. styling).

Yeah, that may be. Haven't tested styling yet; I am not using it at
the moment but that may be an issue.

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  Posted: Sep 23, 2015 5:15 AM   in response to: Brandon Staggs in response to: Brandon Staggs
Brandon Staggs wrote:
"Markus Humm" wrote on Thu, 10 Sep 2015 10:58:48 -0700:

when I've read the EMBT messages correctly they might have done some
little bit of work regarding Windows 10 on those controls
(e.g. styling).

Yeah, that may be. Haven't tested styling yet; I am not using it at
the moment but that may be an issue.

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Just spoke to my EMB rep--get ready to pony up as there is nothing in the current release except Delphi Seattle installation compatibility (this is coming from the development manager she spoke to); however, they are working with Ray and are adding enhancements and possibly new controls and those with subscription will get the release when it comes out. At the end of the day, I don't recall having had to pay anything since RC6 came out several years ago and while it peeves me to have to pay $300 for really no current return on that investment, I am hopeful given the direction Seattle has taken that more goodness will be forthcoming and willing to take the leap. I could change the build scripts and install RC6 into Seattle but I am trying to take a longer view and support further development on the controls (they have gotten a bit stagnant over the past few years IMO).

I do expect some serious enhancements at $300/year comparatively considering what I pay for the Telerik libraries and my annual Delphi subscription and how much those grow and expand on a quarterly and bi-annual basis.

Cheers,
Matt
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  Posted: Sep 23, 2015 11:31 AM   in response to: Matthew Kinney in response to: Matthew Kinney
Matthew Kinney wrote:
I do expect some serious enhancements at $300/year comparatively considering what I pay for the Telerik libraries and my annual Delphi subscription and how much those grow and expand on a quarterly and bi-annual basis.

We had already thought about abandoning Raize components due to the stagnation... looks like Embarcadero has given us the final push, just have to do it faster that I'd thought.
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  Posted: Sep 23, 2015 8:00 PM   in response to: Christopher Burke in response to: Christopher Burke
"Christopher Burke" wrote on Wed, 23 Sep 2015 11:31:14 -0700:

We had already thought about abandoning Raize components due to the stagnation... looks like Embarcadero has given us the final push, just have to do it faster that I'd thought.

It never occurred to me that they were "stagnant." Been using RC for
a long time. RC6 is a mature product.

There are a few controls that don't behave well during runtime scale
changes (switching monitor dpi). I'm fixing those issues as I
discover them myself. Frankly I don't need much else out of them.

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  Posted: Sep 24, 2015 12:07 PM   in response to: Brandon Staggs in response to: Brandon Staggs
Brandon,

| It never occurred to me that they were "stagnant." Been using RC for
| a long time. RC6 is a mature product.

Me either. I consider it one of my more, if not the most, reliable
component packages!!!

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Christopher Burke

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  Posted: Sep 28, 2015 6:56 AM   in response to: Quentin Correll in response to: Quentin Correll
On 25/09/2015 5:07 AM, Quentin Correll wrote:
Brandon,

| It never occurred to me that they were "stagnant." Been using RC for
| a long time. RC6 is a mature product.

Me either. I consider it one of my more, if not the most, reliable
component packages!!!
Reliability wasn't the issue, some basic functionality was missing in
the buttons that forced us to move to TMS.
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Christopher,

| ... some basic functionality was missing in
| the buttons that forced us to move to TMS.

Fortunately, I didn't have that type of issue with Raize.

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  Posted: Sep 24, 2015 12:41 AM   in response to: Christopher Burke in response to: Christopher Burke
Christopher Burke wrote:
Is there going to be an RC6 for Seattle ?

I must add that I'm very disappointed with the way this has panned out. I use very few third-party component sets but Raize has always been a staple because it is high quality and has been maintained over the years. Ray Konopka is really one of the best out there. I pay my subscription to get updates, especially those that support the latest Delphi when it comes out. This has become more important over the past few years with at least 2 releases every year.

I believe there should, at the very least, be some kind of discount or amnesty for existing subscribed customer of Raize Components, if not a free update that supports Delphi 10 Seattle. I don't expect to have to pay full price for the same component set again.

This is exactly the sort of thing that will prevent me from moving up through the latest versions of Delphi. I'm on XE8, which is supported, and I may have to stop there if I can't have RC6 on DX Seattle. Come on Embarcadero, return some loyalty to your loyal user base.
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By the way, this is made all the worse in that if i buy DX Seattle, I can get the Konopka Sig controls for free. But as a maintenance customer, I cannot? Ouch.
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  Posted: Sep 24, 2015 6:22 AM   in response to: Jason Sweby in response to: Jason Sweby
"Jason Sweby" wrote on Thu, 24 Sep 2015 00:41:28 -0700:

if not a free update that supports Delphi 10 Seattle

You don't need one. With a few minor tweaks, the last official RC6
will work fine in Seattle.

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  Posted: Sep 24, 2015 12:09 PM   in response to: Brandon Staggs in response to: Brandon Staggs
Brandon,

| | if not a free update that supports Delphi 10 Seattle
|
| You don't need one. With a few minor tweaks, the last official RC6
| will work fine in Seattle.

And just what ARE those "tweaks?"

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Brandon Staggs

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"Quentin Correll" wrote on Thu, 24 Sep 2015 12:09:33 -0700:

Brandon,

|| if not a free update that supports Delphi 10 Seattle
|
| You don't need one. With a few minor tweaks, the last official RC6
| will work fine in Seattle.

And just what ARE those "tweaks?"

Someone else posted their steps. I have always disliked the cmd file
approach for building RC, so I got rid of it. I commented out the lib
suffix file includes and just opened/built/installed the project files
in the source folder directly.

There seemed to be a gazillion raize component packages littered all
over my hard drive, so I hunted them all down and removed them.
Working fine now.

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  Posted: Sep 24, 2015 6:17 PM   in response to: Brandon Staggs in response to: Brandon Staggs
Brandon,

| There seemed to be a gazillion raize component packages littered all
| over my hard drive, so I hunted them all down and removed them.
| Working fine now.

<g>

Thanks.

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  Posted: Sep 25, 2015 4:41 PM   in response to: Brandon Staggs in response to: Brandon Staggs
Brandon Staggs wrote:

There seemed to be a gazillion raize component packages littered all
over my hard drive, so I hunted them all down and removed them

For this process, I can think of no better tool than "Everything"

http://www.voidtools.com/downloads/

I may not use it every day, but I use it often, and it immediately
locates any file name I want (alas, only name search, no content
search). It very efficiently and immediately updates its file index, as
well.

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  Posted: Sep 25, 2015 5:21 PM   in response to: John Kaster in response to: John Kaster
John,

| For this process, I can think of no better tool than "Everything"
|
| http://www.voidtools.com/downloads/
|
| I may not use it every day, but I use it often, and it immediately
| locates any file name I want (alas, only name search, no content
| search). It very efficiently and immediately updates its file index,
| as well.

I also find Effective File Search handy.
http://ccm.net/download/download-4431-effective-file-search

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Quentin Correll wrote:

I also find Effective File Search handy.
http://ccm.net/download/download-4431-effective-file-search

Nice! Thanks for the recommendation.

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John,

| | I also find Effective File Search handy.
| | http://ccm.net/download/download-4431-effective-file-search

| Nice! Thanks for the recommendation.

Welcome.

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Brandon Staggs

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"John Kaster" wrote on Fri, 25 Sep 2015 16:41:12 -0700:

Brandon Staggs wrote:

There seemed to be a gazillion raize component packages littered all
over my hard drive, so I hunted them all down and removed them

For this process, I can think of no better tool than "Everything"

That's probably more advance than my approach:

Win+X, Command Prompt (Admin):

cd \
dir /s raise*.bpl
<looks safe!>
del /s raize*.bpl

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John Kaster wrote:

I may not use it every day,

I use it at least 50 times a day, myself. Couldn't live without it.
Can't believe they give it away.

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Nick Hodges wrote:

Can't believe they give it away.

Yeah, I'm really glad they do.

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Nick Hodges wrote:

John Kaster wrote:

I may not use it every day,

I use it at least 50 times a day, myself. Couldn't live without it.
Can't believe they give it away.

Same here. It is an incredibly powerful tool.

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  Posted: Sep 26, 2015 10:45 AM   in response to: John Kaster in response to: John Kaster
John,

| (alas, only name search, no content search)

Effective File Search can search content. Which is a major reason I
like it.

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Quentin Correll wrote:

Effective File Search can search content. Which is a major reason I
like it.

Yeah, I noticed that. Everything is just blazingly fast, so it's a good
tool for file name patterns.

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John,

| | Effective File Search can search content. Which is a major reason
| | I like it.

| Yeah, I noticed that. Everything is just blazingly fast, so it's a
| good tool for file name patterns.


I use both. <g>

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Quentin Correll wrote:

John,

(alas, only name search, no content search)

Effective File Search can search content. Which is a major reason I
like it.

Which happens to be written in Delphi.

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Bruce,

| | Effective File Search can search content. Which is a major reason
| | I like it.

| Which happens to be written in Delphi.

Cool! I didn't know that.

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Quentin Correll wrote:

Bruce,

| Effective File Search can search content. Which is a major
reason | I like it.

Which happens to be written in Delphi.

Cool! I didn't know that.

Given any collection of useful Windows applications or utilities, the
changes of at least a handful of them being written in Delphi
approaches 100%.

I like to call it Hanselman's Law. Not because he coined it, but
because his tool list always contains a bunch of Delphi apps.

http://www.hanselman.com/blog/ScottHanselmans2014UltimateDeveloperAndPowerUsersToolListForWindows.aspx

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Bruce McGee wrote:

I like to call it Hanselman's Law. Not because he coined it, but
because his tool list always contains a bunch of Delphi apps.

Love it! I'm going to tell him that ;)

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John Kaster wrote:

Bruce McGee wrote:

I like to call it Hanselman's Law. Not because he coined it, but
because his tool list always contains a bunch of Delphi apps.

Love it!

Yeah. Someone should make a blog post.

I'm going to tell him that ;)

Tell him I said "Hey".

He doesn't know who I am, but that's beside the point. :)

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Bruce McGee wrote:

He doesn't know who I am, but that's beside the point. :)

I just told him on Twitter. Although he and I met a couple times, it's
not likely he recognizes me either.

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Tell him I said "Hey".

LOL. He favorited my tweet.

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  Posted: Sep 28, 2015 10:04 AM   in response to: Bruce McGee in response to: Bruce McGee
Bruce McGee wrote:

Which happens to be written in Delphi.

Always a bonus.

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  Posted: Sep 27, 2015 11:26 PM   in response to: John Kaster in response to: John Kaster
John Kaster wrote:

Brandon Staggs wrote:

There seemed to be a gazillion raize component packages littered all
over my hard drive, so I hunted them all down and removed them

For this process, I can think of no better tool than "Everything"

http://www.voidtools.com/downloads/

Indeed. I use it A LOT. Inobtrusive, finds everything (heh) and it
finds it very fast.

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  Posted: Sep 24, 2015 1:05 AM   in response to: Christopher Burke in response to: Christopher Burke
Christopher Burke wrote:
Is there going to be an RC6 for Seattle ?

If not - are the new signature components effectively RC7?

If they are functionally still RC6 - normally I'd be able to download a
RC6 updated for the new install paths etc, how do I do that?

If they are RC7 - what's new from RC6 to RC7 ?

So far Raize has told me to talk to Embarcadero, and Embarcadero seems
silent except paying $447/year for an unknown (by looking on the shop).

Does anyone actually know ?

I installed the latest RC6, changed the build batch file to reflect DXS and simply rebuild it. No problem. We're in the process of eliminating it as well, partially because we're trying to get less dependent* on other companies' products, and partially because of upgrade prices.

*: where are the updated versions for EurekaLog and IntraWeb Ultimate for example? Hinders upgrading to DXS.
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  Posted: Sep 24, 2015 1:20 AM   in response to: Frank Staal in response to: Frank Staal
Frank Staal wrote:
I installed the latest RC6, changed the build batch file to reflect DXS and simply rebuild it. No problem. We're in the process of eliminating it as well, partially because we're trying to get less dependent* on other companies' products, and partially because of upgrade prices.

Hi Frank,

Any chance you could share your efforts with us, please?

Jason.
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  Posted: Sep 24, 2015 2:50 AM   in response to: Jason Sweby in response to: Jason Sweby
Jason Sweby wrote:
Frank Staal wrote:
I installed the latest RC6, changed the build batch file to reflect DXS and simply rebuild it. No problem. We're in the process of eliminating it as well, partially because we're trying to get less dependent* on other companies' products, and partially because of upgrade prices.

Hi Frank,

Any chance you could share your efforts with us, please?

Jason.

- Run the installer;
- Goto the location it is installed in (most probably c:\Program Files (x86)\Raize\RC6). Then the source directory and edit the file !Build_RC6.cmd, and follow the instructions in it... lol

Basically add/change the following pieces at the correct locations (separated by ---):
---
rem RAD Studio 10 Seattle (Delphi 10 Seattle) VCLVersion="23"
rem RAD Studio XE8 (Delphi XE8) VCLVersion="22"
---
set VCLVersion="23"
---
set DCC32EXE="C:\Program Files (x86)\Embarcadero\Studio\17.0\Bin\DCC32.exe"
---
set DCC64EXE="C:\Program Files (x86)\Embarcadero\Studio\17.0\Bin\DCC64.exe"
---
if %VCLVersion% == "22" goto Version22
if %VCLVersion% == "23" goto Version23
---

rem ============================================================================
:Version22

set IDE_Name=RAD Studio X8
set PkgSuffix=220

set LibDir32=RS-XE8\Win32
set LibDir64=RS-XE8\Win64
set Compile64bit=True
set UnitScopeNames=-NSSystem;System.Win;Winapi;Vcl;Vcl.Imaging;Data;

goto Init

rem ============================================================================
:Version23

set IDE_Name=RAD Studio 10 Seattle
set PkgSuffix=230

set LibDir32=RS-10\Win32
set LibDir64=RS-10\Win64
set Compile64bit=True
set UnitScopeNames=-NSSystem;System.Win;Winapi;Vcl;Vcl.Imaging;Data;

goto Init
---

- "un-rem" goto Initcomplete;
- Run an elevated cmd.exe;
- Run the batch file;
- Unless I forgot something next startup of DXS has a Raize in it...

Good luck.

Edited by: Frank Staal on Sep 25, 2015 9:19 AM
Saw that I didn't update the PkgSuffix. So it is updated to make it a unique value
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  Posted: Sep 24, 2015 2:55 AM   in response to: Frank Staal in response to: Frank Staal
Frank Staal wrote:
- Unless I forgot something next startup of DXS has a Raize in it...

Terrific, thanks Frank.
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  Posted: Sep 24, 2015 12:16 PM   in response to: Frank Staal in response to: Frank Staal
Frank,

Thank you VERY MUCH!

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  Posted: Sep 25, 2015 7:54 AM   in response to: Frank Staal in response to: Frank Staal
This might help anyone still having issues with this.

Although I followed Frank's changes, I was only getting RaizeComponentsVclDb210.bpl (XE7) created instead of RaizeComponentsVclDb230.bpl (DX Seattle).

After much hair pulling, I realised that I also had to change the RzComps.inc file to add a new section for VER300 (Delphi 10 Seattle):

1. Change the line:
// VER280 (RAD Studio XE7)
{$IFDEF VER_UNKNOWN}

to
// VER280 (RAD Studio XE7)
{$IFDEF VER280}

2. Add this section after it.

// VER300 (RAD Studio 10 Seattle)

// If compiler version is unknown, assume to be VER300

{$IFDEF VER_UNKNOWN}
{$UNDEF VER_UNKNOWN}
{$DEFINE VER30x}
{$DEFINE VCL230}
{$DEFINE RS10}

{$IFDEF MSWINDOWS}
{$IFDEF BCB}
{$DEFINE BCB10_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE BCB12_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE BCB14_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE BCB15_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE BCB16_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE BCB17_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE BCB18_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE BCB19_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE BCB20_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE BCB21_OR_HIGHER}
{$OBJEXPORTALL ON}
{$ELSE}
{$DEFINE DELPHI}
{$DEFINE DELPHI21}
{$DEFINE D7_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE D8_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE D9_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE D10_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE D12_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE D14_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE D15_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE D16_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE D17_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE D18_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE D19_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE D20_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE D21_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE D22_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE D23_OR_HIGHER}
{$ENDIF}
//{$DEFINE DOT_NET_WARNINGS_OFF}
{$ELSE}
// Non-Windows compiler (i.e. Kylix)
{$ENDIF}

{$DEFINE VCL70_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE VCL80_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE VCL90_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE VCL100_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE VCL105_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE VCL120_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE VCL140_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE VCL150_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE VCL160_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE VCL170_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE VCL180_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE VCL190_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE VCL200_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE VCL210_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE VCL220_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE VCL230_OR_HIGHER}

{$DEFINE DELPHI2005_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE BDS2006_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE RS2007_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE RS2009_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE RS2010_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE RSXE_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE RSXE2_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE RSXE3_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE RSXE4_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE RSXE5_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE RSXE6_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE RSXE7_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE RSXE8_OR_HIGHER}
{$DEFINE RS10_OR_HIGHER}
{$ENDIF}

Then re-run the Cmd file. I still then had to manually add the 2 packages into the DX IDE, but they're now installed and working fine. Hope this helps someone.
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Re: Raize RC6 for Seattle?
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  Posted: Apr 7, 2016 10:06 AM   in response to: Jason Sweby in response to: Jason Sweby
Help please, after compiling what is necessary to make steps to add components Raize?
which of the received files to be imported into the dx?
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