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Brandon Staggs

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  Posted: Sep 18, 2015 6:25 AM
I am really enjoying using D10 Seattle. The IDE is very stable. The
renewed development efforts on the VCL are needed and appreciated.

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  Posted: Sep 18, 2015 7:31 AM   in response to: Brandon Staggs in response to: Brandon Staggs
Brandon Staggs wrote:

I am really enjoying using D10 Seattle. The IDE is very stable. The
renewed development efforts on the VCL are needed and appreciated.

Yeah, me too. I've been converting our code base from XE7 to Seattle,
and it went very smoothly.

And not one out of memory error.

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  Posted: Sep 21, 2015 2:22 PM   in response to: Nick Hodges in response to: Nick Hodges
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And not one out of memory error.

Nice. I've got to get around to testing one of our problem projects on
it ...

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  Posted: Sep 21, 2015 3:49 PM   in response to: John Kaster in response to: John Kaster
John,

| I've got to get around to testing one of our problem projects on
| it ...

I hope you can get it to run.

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I hope you can get it to run.

I'm thinking it's probably going to work, but I've got lots of prep to
update the code before it will build. Non-trivial.

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  Posted: Sep 21, 2015 3:49 PM   in response to: Nick Hodges in response to: Nick Hodges
Nick,

| | I am really enjoying using D10 Seattle. The IDE is very stable.
| | The renewed development efforts on the VCL are needed and
| | appreciated.
|
| Yeah, me too.

I can't even get it to run!

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  Posted: Sep 22, 2015 1:30 AM   in response to: Quentin Correll in response to: Quentin Correll
Quentin Correll wrote:

Nick,

| I am really enjoying using D10 Seattle. The IDE is very stable.
| The renewed development efforts on the VCL are needed and
| appreciated.

Yeah, me too.

I can't even get it to run!

How do you mean?

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  Posted: Sep 23, 2015 10:45 AM   in response to: Bruce McGee in response to: Bruce McGee
Bruce,

| | I can't even get it to run!
|
| How do you mean?

I should have typed "install."

I plan on trying to mess with it again today.

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  Posted: Sep 24, 2015 12:23 PM   in response to: Bruce McGee in response to: Bruce McGee
Bruce,

| | I can't even get it to run!
|
| How do you mean?
|
I should have typed "install."

| I plan on trying to mess with it again today.

NO JOY!!!

Continuing to work on the issue. Quinn Wildman is deep into it with
me. We'll keep bashing on it. <g>

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  Posted: Oct 7, 2015 3:11 PM   in response to: Quentin Correll in response to: Quentin Correll
Quentin Correll wrote:

I should have typed "install."

I plan on trying to mess with it again today.

NO JOY!!!

Continuing to work on the issue. Quinn Wildman is deep into it with
me. We'll keep bashing on it. <g>

What's the problem? I couldn't install it at first, was complaining
about some .png file not being found when the installer started.

Took me a while to figure out that it tried to create a "mia1" folder
in the temp folder and unpack some files into that, and for some reason
there was a mia1 file in the temp folder already, so the unpack
silently failed, and the files that were expected to have been unpacked
couldn't be found later.
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  Posted: Oct 7, 2015 4:40 PM   in response to: Thorsten Engler in response to: Thorsten Engler
Thorsten,

| | Continuing to work on the issue. Quinn Wildman is deep into it
| | with me. We'll keep bashing on it. <g>

| What's the problem?

I don't have a clue. Quinn's efforts also didn't work for me. So I
just "gave-up" and am sticking with XE8. XE10 didn't offer me anything
I need that XE8 doesn't also already have, so it was an easy
decision. It wasn't worth wasting anymore of my time messing with XE10.

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  Posted: Sep 18, 2015 7:59 AM   in response to: Brandon Staggs in response to: Brandon Staggs
Brandon Staggs wrote:
I am really enjoying using D10 Seattle. The IDE is very stable. The
renewed development efforts on the VCL are needed and appreciated.

The D10 Seattle Win64 debugger just hanged the IDE, after an exception raised in a multi-threaded app.
Still room from improvement...
:(
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  Posted: Sep 18, 2015 8:05 AM   in response to: Arnaud Bouchez in response to: Arnaud Bouchez
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Still room from improvement...
:(

I think that speaks for us all though, not just EMB. So many people so quick to judge when I suspect their own software isn't perfect either.
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  Posted: Sep 20, 2015 10:35 AM   in response to: Jason Sweby in response to: Jason Sweby
I think that speaks for us all though, not just EMB. So many people so quick to judge when I suspect their own software isn't perfect either.

Stability of our own software is of no concern to Emb. The issue with 64bit debugger dying on multi threaded apps been there forever and never got fixed.
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  Posted: Sep 22, 2015 2:32 AM   in response to: Konstantine Pou... in response to: Konstantine Pou...
Konstantine Poukhov wrote:
I think that speaks for us all though, not just EMB. So many people so quick to judge when I suspect their own software isn't perfect either.

Stability of our own software is of no concern to Emb. The issue with 64bit debugger dying on multi threaded apps been there forever and never got fixed.

Perhaps that's why there is no 64-bit IDE yet ;)
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  Posted: Sep 19, 2015 5:01 AM   in response to: Arnaud Bouchez in response to: Arnaud Bouchez
"Arnaud Bouchez" wrote on Fri, 18 Sep 2015 07:59:58 -0700:

Still room from improvement...

Yes, always.

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  Posted: Sep 20, 2015 2:44 PM   in response to: Brandon Staggs in response to: Brandon Staggs
Brandon Staggs wrote:
I am really enjoying using D10 Seattle. The IDE is very stable. The
renewed development efforts on the VCL are needed and appreciated.
I agree :)
Its now my use all the time IDE :)
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Brian Hamilton Hamilton wrote:

I agree :)
Its now my use all the time IDE :)

Ditto

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  Posted: Sep 25, 2015 11:02 PM   in response to: Brian Hamilton ... in response to: Brian Hamilton ...
really like the native option for control type for tmemo
and also multi select for changing e.g font size
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  Posted: Sep 24, 2015 7:43 PM   in response to: Brandon Staggs in response to: Brandon Staggs
Brandon Staggs wrote:
I am really enjoying using D10 Seattle. The IDE is very stable. The
renewed development efforts on the VCL are needed and appreciated.

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Input "Pos(" in old IDE, IDE will show function hint.
And in D10 Seattle, it's gone.

Maybe that's why you think it is stable. In XE8, the function hint is very easy lead IDE no response.
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  Posted: Sep 25, 2015 6:17 AM   in response to: wenjie zhou in response to: wenjie zhou
"wenjie zhou" wrote on Thu, 24 Sep 2015 19:44:18 -0700:

Input "Pos(" in old IDE, IDE will show function hint.
And in D10 Seattle, it's gone.

Works fine here. Sorry you are having a bad experience.

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  Posted: Sep 25, 2015 6:22 AM   in response to: Brandon Staggs in response to: Brandon Staggs
Brandon Staggs wrote:

"wenjie zhou" wrote on Thu, 24 Sep 2015 19:44:18 -0700:

Input "Pos(" in old IDE, IDE will show function hint.
And in D10 Seattle, it's gone.

Works fine here. Sorry you are having a bad experience.

Somebody else had this failing auto-hint complaint too, IIRC. It would
work for them if they requested it specifically, but didn't
automatically pop-up when typing...

Is it automatically appearing for you, or do you request it (what is,
alt-spacebar?) ?
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david hoke wrote:

Somebody else had this failing auto-hint complaint too, IIRC. It
would work for them if they requested it specifically, but didn't
automatically pop-up when typing...

Is it automatically appearing for you, or do you request it (what is,
alt-spacebar?) ?

A hint window with four overloads shows automatically here right after
I type the open bracket.

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  Posted: Sep 25, 2015 8:03 AM   in response to: Bruce McGee in response to: Bruce McGee
Bruce McGee wrote:

david hoke wrote:

Somebody else had this failing auto-hint complaint too, IIRC. It
would work for them if they requested it specifically, but didn't
automatically pop-up when typing...

Is it automatically appearing for you, or do you request it (what
is, alt-spacebar?) ?

A hint window with four overloads shows automatically here right after
I type the open bracket.

Whoops. I stand corrected.

I accidentally tested in XE7. In Delphi 10 I need to press
Shift+Ctrl+Enter first.

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Bruce McGee wrote:

Bruce McGee wrote:

Whoops. I stand corrected.

I accidentally tested in XE7. In Delphi 10 I need to press
Shift+Ctrl+Enter first.

Don't use it much, I probably indicated the incorrect keystrokes...

But you have confirmed what I thought I'd seen elsewhere.
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  Posted: Sep 25, 2015 9:38 AM   in response to: david hoke in response to: david hoke
david hoke wrote:

Bruce McGee wrote:

Bruce McGee wrote:

In Delphi 10 I need to press
Shift+Ctrl+Enter first.

Don't use it much, I probably indicated the incorrect keystrokes...

Me to, apparently. It's actually Shift+Ctrl+Space.

I think I need another coffee...

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Bruce,

| I think I need another coffee...

Black and strong!

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  Posted: Sep 25, 2015 9:06 AM   in response to: david hoke in response to: david hoke
"david hoke" wrote on Fri, 25 Sep 2015 06:22:46 -0700:

Is it automatically appearing for you, or do you request it (what is,
alt-spacebar?) ?

ctrl-shift-space. It doesn't show automatically. Come to think of it
now I guess that is a bug, but I had the habit of typing the shortcut
to invoke it immediately when I needed it rather than waiting for it
to show as a hint. I didn't realize it didn't work as expected
because of my habit.

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  Posted: Sep 25, 2015 10:29 AM   in response to: Brandon Staggs in response to: Brandon Staggs
Brandon Staggs wrote:

"david hoke" wrote on Fri, 25 Sep 2015 06:22:46 -0700:

Is it automatically appearing for you, or do you request it (what
is, alt-spacebar?) ?

ctrl-shift-space. It doesn't show automatically. Come to think of it
now I guess that is a bug, but I had the habit of typing the shortcut
to invoke it immediately when I needed it rather than waiting for it
to show as a hint. I didn't realize it didn't work as expected
because of my habit.

I was wondering if that might be the case.
Thanks for confirming.
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  Posted: Sep 25, 2015 6:27 AM   in response to: Brandon Staggs in response to: Brandon Staggs
Input "Pos(" in old IDE, IDE will show function hint.
And in D10 Seattle, it's gone.

Works fine here. Sorry you are having a bad experience.

In my installation: working in XE8, not in DX10.
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  Posted: Sep 25, 2015 10:57 AM   in response to: Brandon Staggs in response to: Brandon Staggs
Brandon,

| Sorry you are having a bad experience.

Speaking of "bad experiences"... I cannot even get D10 Seattle to
install.

I've wasted four entire days f******* with it!

And at this point still total NO JOY! <sigh>

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Quentin Correll wrote:

Brandon,

Sorry you are having a bad experience.

Speaking of "bad experiences"... I cannot even get D10 Seattle to
install.

You trying web install, or downloaded ISO?
Just curious...
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david,

| | Speaking of "bad experiences"... I cannot even get D10 Seattle to
| | install.
 

| You trying web install, or downloaded ISO?
| Just curious...
 


I was using the ISO. I finally re-booted and it then installed. (?)
HOWEVER...
The install trashed my RAD Studio XE8!!! <GRUMBLE!!!>

I am NOT a happy camper!!!!!!!!

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  Posted: Sep 25, 2015 5:26 PM   in response to: Quentin Correll in response to: Quentin Correll
Quentin Correll wrote:

The install trashed my RAD Studio XE8!!! <GRUMBLE!!!>

Man, troubles abound.

I just installed XE 7, XE 8, and 10 Seattle (Enterprise) one right
after the other on my Win 10 machine, and all are working ok.

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John,

| | The install trashed my RAD Studio XE8!!! <GRUMBLE!!!>
|
| Man, troubles abound.
|
| I just installed XE 7, XE 8, and 10 Seattle (Enterprise) one right
| after the other on my Win 10 machine, and all are working ok.

I plan on "getting-deep-into-it" today. Depending on what I do or do
not find I may just restore my system to a prior back-up.

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  Posted: Sep 26, 2015 11:39 AM   in response to: Quentin Correll in response to: Quentin Correll
Quentin,

| I plan on "getting-deep-into-it" today.

No joy!

However, I did get XE8 "restored" to a working state. XE10 is a total
no-go. At this point I'm stymied.

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Quentin Correll wrote:

However, I did get XE8 "restored" to a working state. XE10 is a total
no-go. At this point I'm stymied.

Bummer. I definitely didn't have that much trouble with it.

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  Posted: Sep 26, 2015 6:43 PM   in response to: John Kaster in response to: John Kaster
John,

| | However, I did get XE8 "restored" to a working state. XE10 is a
| | total no-go. At this point I'm stymied.

| Bummer. I definitely didn't have that much trouble with it.

Did you (try to) install Orpheus?

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Quentin Correll wrote:

John,

| However, I did get XE8 "restored" to a working state. XE10 is a
| total no-go. At this point I'm stymied.

Bummer. I definitely didn't have that much trouble with it.

Did you (try to) install Orpheus?

Did you try to install XE10 with nothing in it, and open it with an empty project?
The old step-by-step approach. It used to work in DOS, and in figuring out WTF went wrong in A-Test at IBM, to say nothing of other stuff.

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  Posted: Sep 27, 2015 12:18 PM   in response to: John Treder in response to: John Treder
John,

| Did you try to install XE10 with nothing in it, and open it with an
| empty project? The old step-by-step approach. It used to work in
| DOS, and in figuring out WTF went wrong in A-Test at IBM, to say
| nothing of other stuff.

Yes,... but,... after installing it won't even "open." Just sits
there, apparently "churning," and then goes away.

I plan to do an un-install, re-boot and try a re-install later today
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Quentin Correll wrote:

John,

Did you try to install XE10 with nothing in it, and open it with an
empty project? The old step-by-step approach. It used to work in
DOS, and in figuring out WTF went wrong in A-Test at IBM, to say
nothing of other stuff.

Yes,... but,... after installing it won't even "open." Just sits
there, apparently "churning," and then goes away.

I plan to do an un-install, re-boot and try a re-install later today
and see where I'm at.

Ok. Try to install into a newly created directory, and install ONLY the basic RAD Studio stuff. Include no add-ons.
At that point, reboot, then open a new, empty project (assuming you get that far.)
Take notes.
I know this is stuff you've done for a zillion years, Q. But you're having a problem that just about nobody else is having. I sure didn't have it, though I haven't yet tried to install third party stuff.
If we're going to track it down, we need details.

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John,

| I know this is stuff you've done for a zillion years, Q. But you're
| having a problem that just about nobody else is having. I sure
| didn't have it, though I haven't yet tried to install third party
| stuff.

It's the "3rd-Party Stuff" that I am having issues with.

At this point I seem to be in pretty good shape except for Raize. (And
ZipForge.)

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  Posted: Sep 29, 2015 2:58 PM   in response to: Quentin Correll in response to: Quentin Correll
Quentin Correll wrote:

At this point I seem to be in pretty good shape except for Raize.
(And ZipForge.)

Progress!

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John,

| | At this point I seem to be in pretty good shape except for Raize.
| | (And ZipForge.)

| Progress!

Unfortunately Raize is still a total no-go at this point. <sighing
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Am 30.09.2015 um 20:17 schrieb Quentin Correll:
John,

| | At this point I seem to be in pretty good shape except for Raize.
| | (And ZipForge.)

| Progress!

Unfortunately Raize is still a total no-go at this point. <sighing
grumble>


Failure message?
As for Raize: I had installed CodeSite via GetIt and my application
couldn't find the unit of it. I found out then, that GetIt didn't add
the proper directory to the search path. After fixing that one myself I
can compile.

Greetings

Markus
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Markus,

| | Unfortunately Raize is still a total no-go at this point. <sighing
| | grumble>
 
 

| Failure message?

"[dcc32 Fatal Error] RaizeComponentsVcl.dpk(36): E2202 Required package
'Vcl' not found"

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  Posted: Sep 28, 2015 9:30 AM   in response to: Quentin Correll in response to: Quentin Correll
Quentin Correll wrote:

Did you (try to) install Orpheus?

I did a full install. Didn't use GetIt or any extra downloads.

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John,

| | Did you (try to) install Orpheus?
|
| I did a full install. Didn't use GetIt or any extra downloads.

When I used OrpheusMaster the install worked.

At this point Raize is my biggest concern.

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  Posted: Sep 28, 2015 4:25 PM   in response to: Quentin Correll in response to: Quentin Correll
On 9/28/2015 4:18 PM, Quentin Correll wrote:

When I used OrpheusMaster the install worked.

Care to elucidate? I haven't heard of this (and I'm as dependent on
Orpheus as you are...).

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  Posted: Sep 29, 2015 10:23 AM   in response to: David Erbas-White in response to: David Erbas-White
David,

| | When I used OrpheusMaster the install worked.
| |

| Care to elucidate? I haven't heard of this (and I'm as dependent on
| Orpheus as you are...).


I opened RS XE10 and opened-ran OrpheusDD and OrpheusDBDD in
OrpheusMaster in RS XE10.

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When I used OrpheusMaster the install worked.

That's not part of the standard install, is it? I just did all items
from the standard install.

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Am 29.09.2015 um 23:59 schrieb John Kaster:
Quentin Correll wrote:

When I used OrpheusMaster the install worked.

That's not part of the standard install, is it? I just did all items
from the standard install.

No. It's available via GetIt afaik. (if you don't know GetIt yet look in
your tools menu...)

Greetingsd

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Markus Humm wrote:

No. It's available via GetIt afaik.

Right, thanks. I was just referring back to my previous "full standard
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John,

| | When I used OrpheusMaster the install worked.
|
| That's not part of the standard install, is it? I just did all items
| from the standard install.

Not sure what you mean by "standard install." If you mean the GetIt
install then, no, it's not the "standard install." Otherwise we may
not be understanding each other. <g>

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Quentin Correll wrote:

Not sure what you mean by "standard install."

That which gets installed when you install everything from the ISO.

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John,

| | Not sure what you mean by "standard install."
|
| That which gets installed when you install everything from the ISO.

I don't know of an ISO for Orpheus. (???)

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John,

| | Not sure what you mean by "standard install."
|
| That which gets installed when you install everything from the ISO.

I don't know of an ISO for Orpheus. (???)

I think that is the point. A third party tool not part of Delphi 10 is what
your problem is with, not something that comes with Delphi 10.

I thought you had said in the install group you had gotten past the Orpheus
problem. If you haven't what is the problem. Saying things blow up is not a
description that people can help with (at least so far, I might have missed a
particular message of yours that did describe it better). I did install the D10
version and it does look like the bpls are now suffixed right. Is your problem
during starting the IDE (this would indicate runtime bpl's that are the same
name for different versions)? Or is it compiling your app (which would indicate
he is putting the dcu's in non segregated directories)?

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although not easy to follow with multiple threads, it looks like he does have Orpheus installed now but have trouble with Raize componnets
(and yes its not actually a fault of Delphi Seattle per say, but a problem with the 3rd party components and have other intalls of those in other delphi versions)
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Brian,

| although not easy to follow with multiple threads, it looks like he
| does have Orpheus installed now but have trouble with Raize componnets

That's precisely where I stand at the moment. You have done an
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Jeff Overcash (TeamB) wrote:

I think that is the point. A third party tool not part of Delphi 10
is what your problem is with, not something that comes with Delphi 10.

Right. That was the source of my confusion.

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John,

| Right. That was the source of my confusion.

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Sorry 'bout that. I oft times type with minimal references.

No biggie. It got sorted out in the end.

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A third party tool not part of Delphi 10 ..

One of the small annoyance in Delphi is that component packages and compiled
units are not compatible across Delphi versions.
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"Gilbert Padilla" wrote on Thu, 1 Oct 2015 10:39:26 -0700:

One of the small annoyance in Delphi is that component packages and compiled
units are not compatible across Delphi versions.

But, as they contain compiled class binaries that have to integrate
with whatever language and compiler features you are currently using,
that "small annoyance" is unavoidable, and hardly worth holding
against Delphi, as some are wont to do...

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Gilbert,

| One of the small annoyance in Delphi is that component packages and
| compiled units are not compatible across Delphi versions.

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Jeff,

| I thought you had said in the install group you had gotten past the
| Orpheus problem.

Yes, I got past the Orpheus issue.

I'm now stuck on trying to get Raize installed. <g>

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Den 9/26/2015 kl. 02:21 skrev Quentin Correll:
david,

| | Speaking of "bad experiences"... I cannot even get D10 Seattle to
| | install.
 

| You trying web install, or downloaded ISO?
| Just curious...
 


I was using the ISO. I finally re-booted and it then installed. (?)
HOWEVER...
The install trashed my RAD Studio XE8!!! <GRUMBLE!!!>

I am NOT a happy camper!!!!!!!!

FTR I have XE4, XE5, XE6, XE7, XE8 and Delphi 10 Seattle installed
without any issues on the same Win10 computer (upgraded from 8.1).
Works fine. Installed from ISO in all cases.

Perhaps some virus... or anti ditto on your machine or other security
stuff (policies or something) that messes it up.

best regards
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Kim,

| Perhaps some virus... or anti ditto on your machine or other security
| stuff (policies or something) that messes it up.

I'm 99.999% certain my system doesn't have a virus.

I'll begin looking deep into it today. <sigh>

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  Posted: Sep 25, 2015 5:24 PM   in response to: david hoke in response to: david hoke
david hoke wrote:

You trying web install, or downloaded ISO?

I strongly recommend the ISO. It may be a bigger download, but just do
that once in the background, and your install experience is much better.

Q, FWIW I've installed it on Win 7 and Win 10. (Pro, and Enterprise). I
did run into some prep things I needed to do (freeing up lots of file
space), but it sounds like your issues far exceeded my experience.

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John,

| I strongly recommend the ISO. It may be a bigger download, but just do
| that once in the background, and your install experience is much
| better.
|
| Q, FWIW I've installed it on Win 7 and Win 10. (Pro, and Enterprise).
| I did run into some prep things I needed to do (freeing up lots of
| file space), but it sounds like your issues far exceeded my
| experience.

As I previously typed I am using the ISO.

I have file space in abundance. <g>

I plan on messing with it again this afternoon. I'll be reporting back
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Quentin,

| I plan on messing with it again this afternoon. I'll be reporting
| back on what, if anything, I discover.

I didn't wait until this afternoon. I "attacked" the issue this
morning.

It's a total no-go! I'm stymied.

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Quentin

Does the problem stem from some 3rd party software ???

The only problems I've ever had of the type you are having were caused by a
third-party communications package and a home-grown component (yeah, I know,
mea culpa, mea culpa, mea Mexican cowboy).

Eliminated both from my arsenal and life was good again !!!

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Jim Fleming wrote:
Quentin

Does the problem stem from some 3rd party software ???
it does
he has another thread about the problems (to do with the turbo pack components)
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Jim,

| Does the problem stem from some 3rd party software ???

Yes, Orpheus.

Which I use EXTENSIVELY and cannot function without it.

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Quentin Correll wrote:

Jim,

Does the problem stem from some 3rd party software ???

Yes, Orpheus.

Which I use EXTENSIVELY and cannot function without it.

So the problem isn't with XE10, it's with Orpheus. Which is a horse of an entirely different color.

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John Treder wrote:

Quentin Correll wrote:

Jim,

Does the problem stem from some 3rd party software ???

Yes, Orpheus.

Which I use EXTENSIVELY and cannot function without it.

So the problem isn't with XE10, it's with Orpheus. Which is a horse
of an entirely different color.

And a different course of action to fix.

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John,

| | Which I use EXTENSIVELY and cannot function without it.
|
| So the problem isn't with XE10, it's with Orpheus. Which is a horse
| of an entirely different color.

Possible. However, it is not possible to definitively make that
determination at this point. The problem may still be with XE10. All
I can say is that I cannot make XE10-Orpheus function at this point.

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John,

"All I can say is that I cannot make XE10-Orpheus function at this
point. "

I now have it working.

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Am 29.09.2015 um 19:18 schrieb Quentin Correll:
John,

"All I can say is that I cannot make XE10-Orpheus function at this
point. "

I now have it working.

However, I cannot get Raize to install.

Hello,

that one lacks nearly all relevant information needed to help you ;-)
Any failure messages you get? Does it crash? etc.

Greetings

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Markus,

| | However, I cannot get Raize to install.
| |

| Hello,
|

| that one lacks nearly all relevant information needed to help you ;-)
| Any failure messages you get? Does it crash? etc.


LOL! Nope, no info.

No, the Raize 6.1.12 install "wizard" only shows "Embarcadero RAD
Studio XE8." It does NOT have an entry for XE10 Seattle.

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"Quentin Correll" wrote on Wed, 30 Sep 2015 11:37:33 -0700:

No, the Raize 6.1.12 install "wizard" only shows "Embarcadero RAD
Studio XE8." It does NOT have an entry for XE10 Seattle.

Well, yeah, because Seattle didn't exist when the installer was built.

Which is why people have been suggesting that you build the packages
yourself. :-)

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Well, yeah, because Seattle didn't exist when the installer was built.

Wow! I read it was founded in the middle of the 19th century.

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Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

Brandon Staggs wrote:

Well, yeah, because Seattle didn't exist when the installer was
built.

Wow! I read it was founded in the middle of the 19th century.

LOL!

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"Rudy Velthuis" wrote on Wed, 30 Sep 2015 14:12:04 -0700:

Brandon Staggs wrote:

Well, yeah, because Seattle didn't exist when the installer was built.

Wow! I read it was founded in the middle of the 19th century.

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Brandon,

| Which is why people have been suggesting that you build the packages
| yourself. :-)

Which apparently I don't know how to do correctly. I got errors when
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Brandon,

| Which is why people have been suggesting that you build the packages
| yourself. :-)

Which apparently I don't know how to do correctly. I got errors when
trying.

And those errors read out how? ;-)
Why do we have to pull all this information out of you when we want to
try to help you? Please be more verbose! ;-)

Greetings

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Markus,

| And those errors read out how? ;-)

Most recently today: "[dcc32 Fatal Error] RaizeComponentsVcl.dpk(36):
E2202 Required package 'Vcl' not found"

| Why do we have to pull all this information out of you when we want to
| try to help you? Please be more verbose! ;-)

Yeah, I realize that I'm often overly succinct in my postings. <sigh>
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John Kaster wrote:
david hoke wrote:

You trying web install, or downloaded ISO?

I strongly recommend the ISO. It may be a bigger download, but just do
that once in the background, and your install experience is much better.

FWIW I ran the web install at home, and found it to be very quick and painless. From memory it didn't take noticeably longer than installing XE6 from ISO.

Though I suspect that modifying the installation might be easier when using the ISO. I'll find out soon enough :)

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Asbjørn Heid wrote:

FWIW I ran the web install at home, and found it to be very quick and
painless. From memory it didn't take noticeably longer than
installing XE6 from ISO.

There is a lot more to install in DXS. I'm glad you didn't notice it
taking a longer time. For me, the ISO install resulted in my spending
less focus time on the install process.

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John,

| | FWIW I ran the web install at home, and found it to be very quick
| | and painless. From memory it didn't take noticeably longer than
| | installing XE6 from ISO.
|
| There is a lot more to install in DXS. I'm glad you didn't notice it
| taking a longer time. For me, the ISO install resulted in my spending
| less focus time on the install process.

Took my system (Windows 7-64 Pro) 30 minutes to install.

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Quentin Correll wrote:

Took my system (Windows 7-64 Pro) 30 minutes to install.

Sounds reasonable. I just wanted one download rather than many :)

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"Brandon Staggs" wrote on Fri, 18 Sep 2015 06:25:07 -0700:

I am really enjoying using D10 Seattle. The IDE is very stable. The
renewed development efforts on the VCL are needed and appreciated.

I take it back.

I've been developing non-stop for a couple of weeks in D10 with mostly
good experiences and enjoying it.

One minute ago, the IDE just SHUT DOWN and took me to an Embarcadero
page saying my product key can't be validated.

I am on SA, not using any weird stuff, etc.

This is totally unacceptable. I am a professional, trying to work.

Unbelievable.

Any protection mechanism this fragile and prone to false-positives
needs to AT THE VERY LEAST operate with a grace period.

Unbelievable. Inexcusable.

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  Posted: Sep 26, 2015 12:41 PM   in response to: Brandon Staggs in response to: Brandon Staggs
Brandon Staggs wrote:
"Brandon Staggs" wrote on Fri, 18 Sep 2015 06:25:07 -0700:

I am really enjoying using D10 Seattle. The IDE is very stable. The
renewed development efforts on the VCL are needed and appreciated.

I take it back.

I've been developing non-stop for a couple of weeks in D10 with mostly
good experiences and enjoying it.

One minute ago, the IDE just SHUT DOWN and took me to an Embarcadero
page saying my product key can't be validated.

I am on SA, not using any weird stuff, etc.

This is totally unacceptable. I am a professional, trying to work.

Unbelievable.

Any protection mechanism this fragile and prone to false-positives
needs to AT THE VERY LEAST operate with a grace period.

Unbelievable. Inexcusable.

I have been complaining about that since forever. Nobody listens.

Activating product: yes, implementing obscure after the fact checks
that introduce either deliberate bugs or IDE shutdown: absolutely no.

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"Dalija Prasnikar" wrote on Sat, 26 Sep 2015 12:41:38 -0700:

IDE shutdown: absolutely no.

This is the second time I have encountered a bug like this (the IDE
assuming I am not using a valid license). Last time was with XE 7 or
8 and it was a minor startup problem that seemed to fix itself.

This time, the IDE shut down WITHOUT SAVING MY WORK, replacing itself
with a web browser at Embarcadero's site telling me my license could
not be validated. It restarted and worked fine. Thankfully I am
neurotic about hitting ctrl-c and was able to put back what I lost
easily enough.

It is really hard to understand the mentality that says it is okay to
take a chance at ruining a paying customer's workflow by
unceremoniously closing the IDE on him. Like you, I have no problem
with activation, but clearly their "enhanced anti-piracy techniques"
are very fallible and it is just foolish to take the chance at harming
the work of your customer. Give me a big red warning that says I will
lose IDE functionality in a week (HEY, IT'S A WEEKEND AND THE CHAT
WINDOW ON THE PIRACY PAGE IS CLOSED!), and let me be sure I can get it
worked out. But dumping me out of my project like that? Insane.

I was really happy with the direction of Delphi since installing
Seattle but this sure has brought me back to reality.

Just wow.

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Am 27.09.2015 um 02:42 schrieb Brandon Staggs:

I was really happy with the direction of Delphi since installing
Seattle but this sure has brought me back to reality.

Tell this Marco Cantu via PM.

Greetings

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On 9/26/15 8:42 PM, Brandon Staggs wrote:
"Dalija Prasnikar" wrote on Sat, 26 Sep 2015 12:41:38 -0700:

IDE shutdown: absolutely no.

This is the second time I have encountered a bug like this (the IDE
assuming I am not using a valid license). Last time was with XE 7 or
8 and it was a minor startup problem that seemed to fix itself.

This is outrageous. They better get a handle on this. I don't like
activation schemes but I can understand why they do it. After you
activate though the software better work 100% of the time.

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Brandon Staggs wrote:

I was really happy with the direction of Delphi since installing
Seattle but this sure has brought me back to reality.

There is similar issue reported in QP

Delphi shut down in middle of my work with a license validate error/webpage
https://quality.embarcadero.com/browse/RSP-10189

Voting up for this report and commenting about your experience may
help in realizing that this is serious issue they should resolve once and
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"Dalija Prasnikar" wrote on Sun, 27 Sep 2015 04:45:27 -0700:

https://quality.embarcadero.com/browse/RSP-10189

Voting up for this report and commenting about your experience may
help in realizing that this is serious issue they should resolve once and
for all.

Upvoted and commented. Thanks.

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Dalija Prasnikar wrote:

Brandon Staggs wrote:

I was really happy with the direction of Delphi since installing
Seattle but this sure has brought me back to reality.

There is similar issue reported in QP

Delphi shut down in middle of my work with a license validate
error/webpage https://quality.embarcadero.com/browse/RSP-10189

Voting up for this report and commenting about your experience may
help in realizing that this is serious issue they should resolve once
and for all.

Voted.

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Dalija Prasnikar wrote:

Voting up for this report and commenting about your experience may
help in realizing that this is serious issue they should resolve once
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Voted.

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Am 27.09.2015 um 13:45 schrieb Dalija Prasnikar:
Brandon Staggs wrote:

I was really happy with the direction of Delphi since installing
Seattle but this sure has brought me back to reality.

There is similar issue reported in QP

Delphi shut down in middle of my work with a license validate error/webpage
https://quality.embarcadero.com/browse/RSP-10189

Voting up for this report and commenting about your experience may
help in realizing that this is serious issue they should resolve once and
for all.
Voted.
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Dalija,

| Voting up for this report and commenting about your experience may
| help in realizing that this is serious issue they should resolve once
| and for all.

I tried... however, it seems that I can now no longer even log-in to
EMBT!!! (???)

Since it's Sunday I'll wait until tomorrow to try and give it another
go. EMBT is notoriously problematic on week-ends!!!!!!!

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Dalija,

| Voting up for this report and commenting about your experience may
| help in realizing that this is serious issue they should resolve once
| and for all.

I tried... however, it seems that I can now no longer even log-in to
EMBT!!! (???)

I can log in without problems... it seems that Murphy doesn't like you...

Since it's Sunday I'll wait until tomorrow to try and give it another
go. EMBT is notoriously problematic on week-ends!!!!!!!

So true...

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Dalija,

| it seems that Murphy doesn't like you...

Story of my life. <g>

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Dalija Prasnikar wrote:

Delphi shut down in middle of my work with a license validate
error/webpage https://quality.embarcadero.com/browse/RSP-10189

Voting up for this report

Thanks. Voted.

is there an existing report for getting the automatic login from EDN to
work correctly? I'd upvote that one, too.

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John Kaster wrote:
Dalija Prasnikar wrote:

Delphi shut down in middle of my work with a license validate
error/webpage https://quality.embarcadero.com/browse/RSP-10189

Voting up for this report

Thanks. Voted.

is there an existing report for getting the automatic login from EDN to
work correctly? I'd upvote that one, too.

I am not sure what you mean by automatic login from EDN, but I am not
aware of any existing reports covering any login issues.

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Dalija Prasnikar wrote:

I am not sure what you mean by automatic login from EDN

Single sign-on.

The #1 feature implemented for EDN, back around 2000. Sign in on one of
the services, and you were signed in for all of them. Looks like that's
broken for both community and the public jira site.

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John Kaster wrote:
Dalija Prasnikar wrote:

I am not sure what you mean by automatic login from EDN

Single sign-on.

The #1 feature implemented for EDN, back around 2000. Sign in on one of
the services, and you were signed in for all of them. Looks like that's
broken for both community and the public jira site.

Well, that was broken long before. For instance QC (web) fails to recognize
I am logged in even though web page header would show that I am logged into
EDN. I always had to additionally log into QC.

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Dalija Prasnikar wrote:

Well, that was broken long before

It was working when I left :P

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John Kaster wrote:
Dalija Prasnikar wrote:

Well, that was broken long before

It was working when I left :P

I knew we are going into trouble when you left ;-)

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Dalija Prasnikar wrote:

I knew we are going into trouble when you left ;-)

And yet, some things have been fixed after that time, too :)

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Brandon Staggs wrote:
"Brandon Staggs" wrote on Fri, 18 Sep 2015 06:25:07 -0700:
Any protection mechanism this fragile and prone to false-positives
needs to AT THE VERY LEAST operate with a grace period.

Unbelievable. Inexcusable.

I keep my slip file and some other license file backed up. When the activation flips out, I restore the license file and all is good.
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"William Egge" wrote on Thu, 1 Oct 2015 12:20:01 -0700:

Brandon Staggs wrote:
"Brandon Staggs" wrote on Fri, 18 Sep 2015 06:25:07 -0700:
Any protection mechanism this fragile and prone to false-positives
needs to AT THE VERY LEAST operate with a grace period.

Unbelievable. Inexcusable.

I keep my slip file and some other license file backed up. When the activation flips out, I restore the license file and all is good.

In my case I didn't need to do anything for it to magically work after
a restart. Maybe they dumped me out of my project without saving my
work just to keep me on my toes.

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Brandon Staggs wrote:

"William Egge" wrote on Thu, 1 Oct 2015 12:20:01 -0700:

Brandon Staggs wrote:
"Brandon Staggs" wrote on Fri, 18 Sep 2015 06:25:07 -0700:
Any protection mechanism this fragile and prone to false-positives
needs to AT THE VERY LEAST operate with a grace period.

Unbelievable. Inexcusable.

I keep my slip file and some other license file backed up. When
the activation flips out, I restore the license file and all is
good.

In my case I didn't need to do anything for it to magically work after
a restart. Maybe they dumped me out of my project without saving my
work just to keep me on my toes.

You might consider, at least until it happens again (?), running your
IDE session under another debugger (which also supports .net, maybe
from MS debugging tools), and see if some sort of exception gets
triggered before you get dumped...

You'd perhaps at least have a little more info (an exception, #
threads, maybe some thread/stack info) to report, even tho' you
probably can't readily reproduce...
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"david hoke" wrote on Fri, 2 Oct 2015 05:50:34 -0700:

You might consider, at least until it happens again (?), running your
IDE session under another debugger (which also supports .net, maybe
from MS debugging tools), and see if some sort of exception gets
triggered before you get dumped...

You'd perhaps at least have a little more info (an exception, #
threads, maybe some thread/stack info) to report, even tho' you
probably can't readily reproduce...

I have MadExcept installed. It didn't report anything. :-/

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I have MadExcept installed. It didn't report anything. :-/

Does it track dotnet exceptions too?
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Brandon Staggs wrote:
I am really enjoying using D10 Seattle. The IDE is very stable. The
renewed development efforts on the VCL are needed and appreciated.

<SARCASM ON> And I am really enjoying the fact that 64 bit compiler
is not deterministic.<SARCASM OFF>

See the following:
https://quality.embarcadero.com/browse/RSP-12512
http://andy.jgknet.de/blog/2015/10/ide-fix-pack-how-do-i-know-i-didnt-break-the-compiler/

This is a major bug and absolutely precludes any delivery and I only deliver my app
for 64bit target. So the tool I paid big bucks for is USELESS until (hopefully soon) the
bug is fixed
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"Konstantine Poukhov" wrote on Fri, 2 Oct 2015 20:54:51 -0700:


Pretty strange. Certainly undesirable. I voted for the report.

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Konstantine Poukhov wrote:
Brandon Staggs wrote:
I am really enjoying using D10 Seattle. The IDE is very stable. The
renewed development efforts on the VCL are needed and appreciated.

<SARCASM ON> And I am really enjoying the fact that 64 bit compiler
is not deterministic.<SARCASM OFF>

See the following:
https://quality.embarcadero.com/browse/RSP-12512
http://andy.jgknet.de/blog/2015/10/ide-fix-pack-how-do-i-know-i-didnt-break-the-compiler/

This is a major bug and absolutely precludes any delivery and I only deliver my app
for 64bit target. So the tool I paid big bucks for is USELESS until (hopefully soon) the
bug is fixed

That is the worst kind of bug. If you cannot trust your compiler then you cannot use it.

Compiler can have bugs, but as long as they generate code in deterministic fashion
when you do get hit by compiler bug you can at least find it and eventually workaround it.

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Konstantine Poukhov wrote:

This is a major bug and absolutely precludes any delivery and I only
deliver my app for 64bit target. So the tool I paid big bucks for is
USELESS until (hopefully soon) the bug is fixed

Any chance you can still build with the older toolset you were using
but debug with the new one? Or does that fail due to the compiler
incompatibilities...

I'm thinking you largely upgraded to get better debugging, if I recall
you're past threads with any sort of clarity...
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david hoke wrote:
Konstantine Poukhov wrote:

This is a major bug and absolutely precludes any delivery and I only
deliver my app for 64bit target. So the tool I paid big bucks for is
USELESS until (hopefully soon) the bug is fixed

Any chance you can still build with the older toolset you were using
but debug with the new one? Or does that fail due to the compiler
incompatibilities...

How can you debug if compiler is broken?

I'm thinking you largely upgraded to get better debugging, if I recall
you're past threads with any sort of clarity...

Take a look at comments: https://plus.google.com/+ABouchez/posts/Sqo3ae8uin8

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Dalija Prasnikar wrote:

david hoke wrote:

Any chance you can still build with the older toolset you were using

How can you debug if compiler is broken?

By building with the older toolset - if that's possible (I allow that
it might not be, and haven't touched 64bit delphi at all, but you used
to be able to specify separate tds, which might be compatible with both
versions of debugger...
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david hoke wrote:
Dalija Prasnikar wrote:

david hoke wrote:

Any chance you can still build with the older toolset you were using

How can you debug if compiler is broken?

By building with the older toolset - if that's possible (I allow that
it might not be, and haven't touched 64bit delphi at all, but you used
to be able to specify separate tds, which might be compatible with both
versions of debugger...

Ok, I see what you mean... Not sure how would that work... I have never
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I'm thinking you largely upgraded to get better debugging, if I
recall you're past threads with any sort of clarity...

Take a look at comments:
https://plus.google.com/+ABouchez/posts/Sqo3ae8uin8

OK, I guess you're referring to "The debugger is broken too. ...
present in XE8 as well ... works fine in XE2."
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  Posted: Oct 5, 2015 10:19 AM   in response to: david hoke in response to: david hoke
Any chance you can still build with the older toolset you were using
but debug with the new one? Or does that fail due to the compiler
incompatibilities...

I'm thinking you largely upgraded to get better debugging, if I recall
you're past threads with any sort of clarity...

The debugging is not much better. 64bit multithreaded apps kill it just
as good as they did it to XE4 (the version I had before).
Besides the idea of debugging code that is different every time you compile
belongs to a fantasy land.

I upgraded for a sake of using couple of libs and some other reasons.
Those libs can not be built using XE4.

As for your proposed approach I have a better idea. I will use XE8
since it has those libs and does not suffer from undeterministic behavior.

Meanwhile what I REALLY want is for Emb to man up and clean their act soon.
It looks like a MAJOR bug without workarounds.

So I want the product I paid for to work. Is it too much to ask?
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  Posted: Oct 5, 2015 12:57 PM   in response to: Konstantine Pou... in response to: Konstantine Pou...
Konstantine Poukhov wrote:

You're solution sounds like it might work for you better than mine.

So I want the product I paid for to work. Is it too much to ask?

I'll leave it for you (note the current status)
to speculate how the person who created this

http://qc.embarcadero.com/wc/qcmain.aspx?d=33712

and the canary code found in this

http://www.delphigroups.info/3/8/117547.html

might answer that...
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