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Jan Martin Pett...

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  Posted: Sep 2, 2015 4:32 AM
It seems the regular price on Rad Studio 10 Pro upgrade (EUR 1350+674) is almost three times the price of XE upgrade (EUR 699).
I included the update subscription in the comparison because Update XX was free with XX-XE7, now you'll have to pay an
additional EUR 674 to get the same as you did earlier.

By the way, the update subscription alone is almost the same price as a RAD Studio XE Pro upgrade (and more than 2010 upgrade, which were EUR 649).

Here's the question:
Does it have three times the features, and can you do three times as much with it?
I don't need mobile support, so that part doesn't count.
I've never used (or needed) firemonkey, so that part is mostly useless too.

I'm on XE6, so I probably don't have to upgrade now (to avoid purchasing at "New user" price), depending on how they treat the version
numbering for the coming versions.
Somehow EUR 2024/USD 2283.70 seem a bit expensive for Pro.

Edited by: Jan Martin Pettersen on Sep 2, 2015 12:52 PM
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  Posted: Sep 2, 2015 12:01 PM   in response to: Jan Martin Pett... in response to: Jan Martin Pett...
Jan Martin Pettersen wrote:
It seems the regular price on Rad Studio 10 Pro upgrade (EUR 1350+674) is almost three times the price of XE upgrade (EUR 699).
I included the update subscription in the comparison because Update XX was free with XX-XE7, now you'll have to pay an
additional EUR 674 to get the same as you did earlier.

By the way, the update subscription alone is almost the same price as a RAD Studio XE Pro upgrade (and more than 2010 upgrade, which were EUR 649).

Here's the question:
Does it have three times the features, and can you do three times as much with it?
I don't need mobile support, so that part doesn't count.
I've never used (or needed) firemonkey, so that part is mostly useless too.

I'm on XE6, so I probably don't have to upgrade now (to avoid purchasing at "New user" price), depending on how they treat the version
numbering for the coming versions.
Somehow EUR 2024/USD 2283.70 seem a bit expensive for Pro.

Edited by: Jan Martin Pettersen on Sep 2, 2015 12:52 PM

In my humble opinion, "three times the features" assumption is out of the question, especially if you are not interested in FMX and multi-platform development. This "major" release is basically Windows 10 support update, which in the good old days would be routine, quiet and free.

However, where did you get these prices? RAD Studio 10 Pro upgrade price for XE6 users is EUR 939.75 ($1,056.60), and update subscription is EUR 521 ($586.00).
At least, this is what I see when I use this link: https://store.embarcadero.com/542/purl-rbanner
So, where did EUR 1350 come from?
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  Posted: Sep 2, 2015 1:01 PM   in response to: Vadim Istomin in response to: Vadim Istomin
Vadim Istomin wrote:
Jan Martin Pettersen wrote:
It seems the regular price on Rad Studio 10 Pro upgrade (EUR 1350+674) is almost three times the price of XE upgrade (EUR 699).
I included the update subscription in the comparison because Update XX was free with XX-XE7, now you'll have to pay an
additional EUR 674 to get the same as you did earlier.

By the way, the update subscription alone is almost the same price as a RAD Studio XE Pro upgrade (and more than 2010 upgrade, which were EUR 649).

Here's the question:
Does it have three times the features, and can you do three times as much with it?
I don't need mobile support, so that part doesn't count.
I've never used (or needed) firemonkey, so that part is mostly useless too.

I'm on XE6, so I probably don't have to upgrade now (to avoid purchasing at "New user" price), depending on how they treat the version
numbering for the coming versions.
Somehow EUR 2024/USD 2283.70 seem a bit expensive for Pro.

Edited by: Jan Martin Pettersen on Sep 2, 2015 12:52 PM

In my humble opinion, "three times the features" assumption is out of the question, especially if you are not interested in FMX and multi-platform development. This "major" release is basically Windows 10 support update, which in the good old days would be routine, quiet and free.

However, where did you get these prices? RAD Studio 10 Pro upgrade price for XE6 users is EUR 939.75 ($1,056.60), and update subscription is EUR 521 ($586.00).
At least, this is what I see when I use this link: https://store.embarcadero.com/542/purl-rbanner
So, where did EUR 1350 come from?
I'm in europe, but not in EU.
1350 is the price for RAD Studio 10 that has a strikethrough in Embarcadero store right now (because 10% off this month).
In other words, the september price is EUR 1215 (not including update subscription).
Update subscription is the current price.

In Apr 2014 I paid EUR 1129 for XE6 upgrade (no SA).
To get RAD Studio 10 (and getting "update 1" etc like pre-XE8), the price is almost twice that (not counting the 10% off)..barely 1 1/2 year later.

Here's an image of the section in question: http://i.imgur.com/TWRe4aZ.jpg (It is from the same url you gave)
Here's the shopping cart, which shows the update subscription too: http://i.imgur.com/9ilupNF.jpg

Edited by: Jan Martin Pettersen on Sep 2, 2015 9:16 PM

Edited by: Jan Martin Pettersen on Sep 2, 2015 11:12 PM
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  Posted: Sep 3, 2015 8:11 AM   in response to: Jan Martin Pett... in response to: Jan Martin Pett...
Jan Martin Pettersen wrote:

Here's an image of the section in question: http://i.imgur.com/TWRe4aZ.jpg (It is from the same url you gave)
Here's the shopping cart, which shows the update subscription too: http://i.imgur.com/9ilupNF.jpg
Prices in Europe are almost exactly 25% higher than in US??? Terrible.
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  Posted: Sep 3, 2015 12:03 PM   in response to: Vadim Istomin in response to: Vadim Istomin
Vadim Istomin wrote:
Jan Martin Pettersen wrote:

Here's an image of the section in question: http://i.imgur.com/TWRe4aZ.jpg (It is from the same url you gave)
Here's the shopping cart, which shows the update subscription too: http://i.imgur.com/9ilupNF.jpg
Prices in Europe are almost exactly 25% higher than in US??? Terrible.
That is before eventual VAT is applied.
By the way, I'm not a company, so if there's VAT, that would also add to my price.

Years ago they began the USD 1 = EUR 1 "conversion rate" (same price, different currency), which usually were
25-35% off compared to the actual conversion rate (EUR 1 was usually equal to USD 1.25-1.35)
If the price in the US really is $1056.60 now (as you seem to imply), then they've hiked europeans price even further in the later years.

Edit: It is..$1174 (with 10% off = 1056.60).

Edited by: Jan Martin Pettersen on Sep 3, 2015 9:28 PM
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  Posted: Sep 3, 2015 1:47 PM   in response to: Jan Martin Pett... in response to: Jan Martin Pett...
Jan Martin Pettersen wrote:
Vadim Istomin wrote:
Jan Martin Pettersen wrote:

Here's an image of the section in question: http://i.imgur.com/TWRe4aZ.jpg (It is from the same url you gave)
Here's the shopping cart, which shows the update subscription too: http://i.imgur.com/9ilupNF.jpg
Prices in Europe are almost exactly 25% higher than in US??? Terrible.
That is before eventual VAT is applied.
By the way, I'm not a company, so if there's VAT, that would also add to my price.

Years ago they began the USD 1 = EUR 1 "conversion rate" (same price, different currency), which usually were
25-35% off compared to the actual conversion rate (EUR 1 was usually equal to USD 1.25-1.35)
If the price in the US really is $1056.60 now (as you seem to imply), then they've hiked europeans price even further in the later years.

Edit: It is..$1174 (with 10% off = 1056.60).

Edited by: Jan Martin Pettersen on Sep 3, 2015 9:28 PM

Yes, $1056 - Upgrade and $1758 - New User. Starting Oct 1st - $1174 and $1954.
Technically we have to pay sales tax as well, which is 8.75% in NY, but it does not apply if I buy things in CA.
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  Posted: Sep 4, 2015 12:19 AM   in response to: Vadim Istomin in response to: Vadim Istomin
Vadim Istomin wrote:

This "major" release is basically Windows
10 support update, which in the good old days would be routine, quiet
and free.

No, it would not. An upgrade has never been quiet or free, not
recently, nor "in the good old days". And updates have never brought
new features.

And it is more than just a Windows 10 update. CLang for the C++
compilers, for instance.

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Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
Vadim Istomin wrote:

This "major" release is basically Windows
10 support update, which in the good old days would be routine, quiet
and free.

No, it would not. An upgrade has never been quiet or free, not
recently, nor "in the good old days". And updates have never brought
new features.

And it is more than just a Windows 10 update. CLang for the C++
compilers, for instance.

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About that.. Can it finally compile recent PCRE 64bit objs that actually are usable by Delphi units, so it
isn't dependant on a MS compiler to make them anymore?

XE6 don't really have a problem compiling it, and Delphi has mostly no problems using them, except for
some variables used between its objs in ~8.35 and higher..which I haven't really found a solution for.
I seem to remember it was some arrays or something.

The release seems slightly more significant (to me) than XE8, but I assume there are the usual "making the most of it"
advertisers usually do. I'm mostly into vcl and console (32/64).

Btw, it seems 3.7 was released the same day (or the day before) as D10.
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  Posted: Sep 4, 2015 2:45 AM   in response to: Jan Martin Pett... in response to: Jan Martin Pett...
Jan Martin Pettersen wrote:

About that.. Can it finally compile recent PCRE 64bit objs that
actually are usable by Delphi units, so it isn't dependant on a MS
compiler to make them anymore?

I don't know. I didn't try.

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Wolfgang Lemmer...

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  Posted: Sep 2, 2015 12:52 PM   in response to: Jan Martin Pett... in response to: Jan Martin Pett...
Jan Martin Pettersen wrote:
I don't need mobile support, so that part doesn't count.
I've never used (or needed) firemonkey, so that part is mostly useless too.

so why do want to buy the upgrade for RAD Studio an not only for Delphi / C++ Builder? So your at 729€

Vadim Istomin wrote:
At least, this is what I see when I use this link: https://store.embarcadero.com/542/purl-rbanner
So, where did EUR 1350 come from?

From the same link - but requested from germany :-)

Edited by: Wolfgang Lemmermeyer on Sep 2, 2015 9:52 PM

Edited by: Wolfgang Lemmermeyer on Sep 2, 2015 9:53 PM
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  Posted: Sep 3, 2015 4:13 AM   in response to: Wolfgang Lemmer... in response to: Wolfgang Lemmer...
Wolfgang Lemmermeyer wrote:
Jan Martin Pettersen wrote:
I don't need mobile support, so that part doesn't count.
I've never used (or needed) firemonkey, so that part is mostly useless too.

so why do want to buy the upgrade for RAD Studio an not only for Delphi / C++ Builder? So your at 729€

Vadim Istomin wrote:
At least, this is what I see when I use this link: https://store.embarcadero.com/542/purl-rbanner
So, where did EUR 1350 come from?

From the same link - but requested from germany :-)
Because if I upgrade, I would want/need Delphi and C++ Builder Pro, but not really the mobile thingies..
However, purchasing/upgrading those separately are more expensive than purchasing RAD Studio Pro.
They're EUR 681 each (ignoring the 10% off), and update subscription is EUR 373 each. Total: EUR 2108 (2011.80 in sept).

And that is if it even was possible, as it says "Upgrade for registered owners of Delphi XE5-XE8 (Pro/Ent/Ult/Arch)", not RAD Studio.
Not to mention, it would mean upgrading from the exact same product twice..which I assume isn't really allowed.

Oh, I forgot. All the prices I've mentioned is excluding eventual VAT.

Edited by: Jan Martin Pettersen on Sep 3, 2015 12:21 PM
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