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David Clegg

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Welcome to the new forums.embarcadero.com server.
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  Posted: Aug 23, 2015 8:36 PM
forums.embarcadero.com is now running on new, dedicated, significantly
upgraded hardware. The database has been migrated from BlackfishSQL to
Microsoft SQL Server.

We hoped for a smooth transition of an hour or less, but before we
could get all the pieces finalized, the old Jive implementation took
its last gasp. We apologize for the lack of advanced notice, but the
old Jive server failure forced our timeline.

All messages were successfully migrated over, but some draft messages
were lost due to data issues during the migration.

Thanks to the greatly improved performance of the new implementation,
read status tracking has been turned back on. You should see those
little blue dots for new posts/threads when using the browser interface.

For all forum operations, you should see significantly improved
performance, and hopefully much greater reliability. There is no longer
any need to shut down Jive to run a full backup of the database.

Thank you for your extraordinary patience during this long migration
process.

We hope you enjoy the new Jive server.

Regards,

David Clegg, John Kaster, and the Embarcadero forums migration team
steven chesser

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  Posted: Aug 23, 2015 8:57 PM   in response to: David Clegg in response to: David Clegg
Great to see! Much more responsive on loading. Kudos for the long and hard work to keep this kicking...
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  Posted: Aug 24, 2015 9:10 AM   in response to: steven chesser in response to: steven chesser
steven chesser wrote:

Much more responsive on loading.

We're glad the new setup handles the traffic much better.

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  Posted: Aug 24, 2015 10:14 AM   in response to: steven chesser in response to: steven chesser
steven chesser wrote:

Much more responsive on loading.

We're glad the new setup handles the traffic much better.

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  Posted: Aug 23, 2015 11:52 PM   in response to: David Clegg in response to: David Clegg
cool thanks guys

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  Posted: Aug 24, 2015 2:46 AM   in response to: David Clegg in response to: David Clegg
David Clegg wrote:
forums.embarcadero.com is now running on new, dedicated, significantly
upgraded hardware. The database has been migrated from BlackfishSQL to
Microsoft SQL Server.

We hope you enjoy the new Jive server.

Wow, excellent news...


David Clegg, John Kaster, and the Embarcadero forums migration team

Huge thanks from me to all members of migration team :)

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  Posted: Aug 24, 2015 2:47 AM   in response to: Dalija Prasnikar in response to: Dalija Prasnikar
And blue dots are back, yeeeee.....

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  Posted: Aug 24, 2015 3:11 AM   in response to: Dalija Prasnikar in response to: Dalija Prasnikar
Dalija Prasnikar wrote:

And blue dots are back, yeeeee.....

Blue dots? Huh? Oh wait, you are using the web forums (I'll never
understand why someone who can use NNTP prefers to use a thoroughly
inflexible click-and-wait web interface, but hey, to each her own).

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Dalija Prasnikar

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  Posted: Aug 24, 2015 3:21 AM   in response to: Rudy Velthuis (... in response to: Rudy Velthuis (...
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
Dalija Prasnikar wrote:

And blue dots are back, yeeeee.....

Blue dots? Huh? Oh wait, you are using the web forums (I'll never
understand why someone who can use NNTP prefers to use a thoroughly
inflexible click-and-wait web interface, but hey, to each her own).

Yep, using it through web interface. Why, long story... partially because I switch
computers all the time. Basically, I post and read from different computers most
of the time...

Still, this forums run super fast through web interface too, comparing to new
community site, and most of other web based forums. The only downside of
using web interface is not having local copy, but on the other hand that can be
upside, because I don't have to waste my storage space. I usually save
most important threads to PDF (technical ones) and I do have some copies in
my mail.

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Dan Barclay

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  Posted: Aug 24, 2015 11:40 AM   in response to: Dalija Prasnikar in response to: Dalija Prasnikar
Dalija Prasnikar wrote:
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
Dalija Prasnikar wrote:

And blue dots are back, yeeeee.....

Blue dots? Huh? Oh wait, you are using the web forums (I'll never
understand why someone who can use NNTP prefers to use a thoroughly
inflexible click-and-wait web interface, but hey, to each her own).

Yep, using it through web interface. Why, long story... partially because I switch
computers all the time. Basically, I post and read from different computers most
of the time...

Still, this forums run super fast through web interface too, comparing to new
community site, and most of other web based forums. The only downside of
using web interface is not having local copy, but on the other hand that can be
upside, because I don't have to waste my storage space. I usually save
most important threads to PDF (technical ones) and I do have some copies in
my mail.
Like you, I normally access from several machines so the web interface is very handy. However, I also have been using NNTP (with XanaNews) to occasionally rip through other sections.

In my case, XanaNews has quit working, beginning sometime last week. (Socket Error 10060 connection timed out)

Has the nntp connection changed so that I need to adjust XanaNews?

Thanks,
Dan
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  Posted: Aug 24, 2015 11:56 AM   in response to: Dan Barclay in response to: Dan Barclay
Dan wrote:

In my case, XanaNews has quit working, beginning sometime last week.
(Socket Error 10060 connection timed out)

Has the nntp connection changed so that I need to adjust XanaNews?

I have not needed to make any changes to my newsreader.

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  Posted: Aug 24, 2015 1:53 PM   in response to: Dan Barclay in response to: Dan Barclay
Dan Barclay wrote:
In my case, XanaNews has quit working, beginning sometime last week. (Socket Error 10060 connection timed out)

Has the nntp connection changed so that I need to adjust XanaNews?

Had the same problem in XanaNews.
Didn't use SSL, but turned it on (port 563) and now it's working again.
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  Posted: Aug 24, 2015 2:46 PM   in response to: Carl-Henrik Nil... in response to: Carl-Henrik Nil...
Carl-Henrik Nilsson wrote:
Dan Barclay wrote:
In my case, XanaNews has quit working, beginning sometime last week. (Socket Error 10060 connection timed out)

Has the nntp connection changed so that I need to adjust XanaNews?

Had the same problem in XanaNews.
Didn't use SSL, but turned it on (port 563) and now it's working again.
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That was it.

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  Posted: Aug 24, 2015 5:07 PM   in response to: Carl-Henrik Nil... in response to: Carl-Henrik Nil...
Carl-Henrik Nilsson wrote:

Didn't use SSL, but turned it on (port 563) and now it's working
again.

Yeah, sorry about that. The SSL support was finicky. Theoretically
we're configured to still support non-SSL but it's better to use SSL
anyway.

Sorry for those of you whose NNTP clients do not support SSL.

I believe the latest Xananews is v1.20 and can be found here:
https://github.com/graemeg/xananews/releases

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Alex Belo

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  Posted: Sep 3, 2015 9:32 PM   in response to: John Kaster in response to: John Kaster
John Kaster wrote:

I believe the latest Xananews is v1.20 and can be found here:
https://github.com/graemeg/xananews/releases

OK, I've installed new version but I still can not connect ("Socket error #10060 timed out ")...

SSL is on, port 563.

I've also tried pipelining on/off without luck.

Any tips?
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  Posted: Sep 4, 2015 4:07 AM   in response to: Alex Belo in response to: Alex Belo
Alex Belo wrote:

John Kaster wrote:

I believe the latest Xananews is v1.20 and can be found here:
https://github.com/graemeg/xananews/releases

OK, I've installed new version but I still can not connect ("Socket
error #10060 timed out ")...

SSL is on, port 563.

I've also tried pipelining on/off without luck.

Any tips?

My settings (XanaNews 1.20 - something):

forums.embarcadero.com

[x] This server requires me to log on
User name: *********
Password: *********

[x] Always authenticate

And of course SSL on port 563, as you have.

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Alex Belo

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  Posted: Sep 4, 2015 6:29 AM   in response to: Rudy Velthuis (... in response to: Rudy Velthuis (...
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

My settings (XanaNews 1.20 - something):
...

The same here but without success again...
I'll try at home tonight...

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  Posted: Sep 8, 2015 12:48 PM   in response to: Alex Belo in response to: Alex Belo
Alex Belo wrote:

I'll try at home tonight...

v1.19 (+ SSL dlls) works after re-subscription of all groups.

Update: but at work nor XanaNews (1.19 and 1.20) nor Thunderbird can not connect...
Very strange.

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Edited by: Alex Belo on Sep 9, 2015 9:46 AM
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  Posted: Sep 8, 2015 9:41 PM   in response to: Alex Belo in response to: Alex Belo
Alex Belo wrote:
Alex Belo wrote:

I'll try at home tonight...

v1.19 (+ SSL dlls) works after re-subscription of all groups.

Update: but at work nor XanaNews (1.19 and 1.20) nor Thunderbird can not connect...
Very strange.

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Edited by: Alex Belo on Sep 9, 2015 9:46 AM

Work probably has that port firewalled.

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  Posted: Sep 9, 2015 9:02 PM   in response to: Jeff Overcash (... in response to: Jeff Overcash (...
Jeff Overcash (TeamB) wrote:

Work probably has that port firewalled.

I have another NGs (news.delphi-jedi.org) on the same port - no problems.
Also I never had such problems before.

Googling on "Socket error #10060" returns

Windows Sockets Error Codes
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms740668(v=vs.85).aspx

WSAETIMEDOUT 10060 Connection timed out.
A connection attempt failed because the connected party did not properly respond after a period of time,
or the established connection failed because the connected host has failed to respond.

This page

"10060 Connection Timed Out" Error Message When You Try to Connect to Certain Web Sites
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/811087

looks irrelevant to my case: I don't use proxy on my computer and I can not find where to set timeouts.

Are there some server's settings (like timeouts) which can have effect on connection?

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  Posted: Sep 9, 2015 9:09 PM   in response to: Alex Belo in response to: Alex Belo
Alex Belo wrote:
Jeff Overcash (TeamB) wrote:

Work probably has that port firewalled.

I have another NGs (news.delphi-jedi.org) on the same port - no problems.
Also I never had such problems before.

Googling on "Socket error #10060" returns

Windows Sockets Error Codes
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms740668(v=vs.85).aspx

WSAETIMEDOUT 10060 Connection timed out.
A connection attempt failed because the connected party did not properly respond after a period of time,
or the established connection failed because the connected host has failed to respond.

This page

"10060 Connection Timed Out" Error Message When You Try to Connect to Certain Web Sites
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/811087

looks irrelevant to my case: I don't use proxy on my computer and I can not find where to set timeouts.

Are there some server's settings (like timeouts) which can have effect on connection?

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I was having timeouts with I still had it as forums.codegear.com after the
switchover and have to change it to forums.embarcadero.com to make the timeouts
go away. the codegear one was redirecting fine for years until the upgrades a
couple of weeks ago.

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Jeff Overcash (TeamB) wrote:

I was having timeouts with I still had it as forums.codegear.com after the
switchover and have to change it to forums.embarcadero.com to make the timeouts
go away.

I use "forums.embarcadero.com" for many years...
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  Posted: Sep 11, 2015 6:10 AM   in response to: Alex Belo in response to: Alex Belo
Today I got "Socket error #11001 Host not found".......
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  Posted: Sep 11, 2015 8:24 AM   in response to: Alex Belo in response to: Alex Belo
Alex Belo wrote:
Today I got "Socket error #11001 Host not found".......
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You might want to add to your hosts file an entry for forums.embarcadero.com
103.224.182.244

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  Posted: Sep 14, 2015 3:57 AM   in response to: Jeff Overcash (... in response to: Jeff Overcash (...
Jeff Overcash (TeamB) wrote:

You might want to add to your hosts file an entry for forums.embarcadero.com
103.224.182.244

OK.

Strange thing: if I add this address to hosts I can ping and trace:

# IP address Host name Round trip time
1 192.168.10.1 Unavailable 0 ms
...
6 212.73.250.153 Unavailable 62 ms
7 4.69.146.70 vl-6.car1.SanDiego1.Level3.net 362 ms
8 4.53.121.70 CASTLE-ACCE.car1.SanDiego1.Level3.net 229 ms
9 103.224.213.238 sw02-ae0-san.trellian.com 231 ms
10 103.224.182.244 forums.embarcadero.com 230 ms

but I can not open forums.embarcadero.com even in browser (and of course in news reader(s) too) !

When I remove IP address from hosts I can open forums in browser (and post this message) but ping does not work and DNS returns different address:

DNS:
Host name: forums.embarcadero.com
IP address: 204.216.225.61

Trace:
# IP address Host name Round trip time
1 192.168.10.1 Unavailable 0 ms
...
6 212.73.250.153 Unavailable 64 ms
7 4.69.156.11 ae-1-51.edge3.Newark1.Level3.net 168 ms
8 4.69.156.11 ae-1-51.edge3.Newark1.Level3.net 168 ms
9 4.68.63.22 TWC-Level3.edge3.Newark1.Level3.net 169 ms
10 107.14.19.152 bu-ether24.nwrknjmd67w-bcr00.tbone.rr.c 251 ms
11 66.109.3.231 Unavailable 272 ms
12 66.109.3.238 Unavailable 261 ms
13 66.109.3.241 so-3-1-0.c0.sjc75.tbone.rr.com 271 ms
14 66.109.1.183 ae0.sar0.snu01.tbone.rr.com 250 ms
15 66.109.1.187 Unavailable 270 ms
16 204.216.1.82 Unavailable 250 ms
17 204.216.1.90 Unavailable 249 ms
18 No response
19 No response
...

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  Posted: Sep 14, 2015 6:09 AM   in response to: Alex Belo in response to: Alex Belo
In article <732189 at forums dot embarcadero dot com>, Alex Belo <?@?.?.invalid>
wrote
Jeff Overcash (TeamB) wrote:

You might want to add to your hosts file an entry for forums.embarcadero.com
103.224.182.244

Strange thing: if I add this address to hosts I can ping and trace:
[...]
but I can not open forums.embarcadero.com even in browser (and of
course in news reader(s) too) !

That's because it is the wrong address :( The host at that IP address
does respond to pings and may be located in the USA but the address is
currently delegated to an Australian organisation.

It is always a little risky to hard-code IP addresses like that,
particularly when they are (supposed to be) pointing to a host in a
domain that one does not control.

[I have found it quite dangerous to do that even when you do control the
corresponding domain because afterwards you forget that the DNS has been
bodged locally for a quick test and then months later find yourself
wondering why things have suddenly stopped working!]

When I remove IP address from hosts I can open forums in browser (and
post this message) but ping does not work and DNS returns different
address:

DNS:
Host name: forums.embarcadero.com
IP address: 204.216.225.61

That is the address that I see here today for forums.embarcadero.com.
But there is no rule to say that an Internet host must respond to pings
- and that one doesn't!

However it does accept TLS connections to port 563 and will then talk to
an NNTP client.

Perhaps testing with an NNTP(S) client other than XanaNews might help
you to isolate the problem?

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  Posted: Sep 14, 2015 6:17 AM   in response to: Robert Evans in response to: Robert Evans
Thank you for reply Robert.

Robert Evans wrote:

Perhaps testing with an NNTP(S) client other than XanaNews might help
you to isolate the problem?

I've tried Thunderbird some days ago - without succes...

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  Posted: Sep 14, 2015 8:39 AM   in response to: Alex Belo in response to: Alex Belo
In article <732210 at forums dot embarcadero dot com>, Alex Belo <?@?.?.invalid>
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Perhaps testing with an NNTP(S) client other than XanaNews might help
you to isolate the problem?

I've tried Thunderbird some days ago - without succes...

Try another PC? The problem has to be something local to you :)

One simple test you could try is to see if you can connect to
forums.embarcadero.com port 563 with a Telnet program.

Telnet won't talk TLS to the server, but nevertheless you'll see whether
or not you can establish a TCP connection and, if so, then a few random
keypresses should cause the server to respond with some (unreadable)
characters before it drops the connection.

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  Posted: Sep 15, 2015 6:02 AM   in response to: Alex Belo in response to: Alex Belo
Hello,

Am 14.09.2015 um 15:17 schrieb Alex Belo:

I've tried Thunderbird some days ago - without succes...

There were informations here in the forum/newsgroup with some settings
for Thunderbird:

https://forums.embarcadero.com/thread.jspa?threadID=117291

Quote:

Go to the Server settings.
Server name: forums.embarcadero.com

Connection security: SSL/TLS (the port number is 563).

By default, this does not work since the server at embarcadero
apparently still uses protocol parameters that are (considered as)
vulnerable to the logjam vulnerability
http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/05/https-crippling-attack-threatens-tens-of-thousands-of-web-and-mail-servers/

Thunderbird doesn't accept these parameters anymore (by default), it
says: "SSL Key received a weak ephemeral Diffie-Hellman key in server
exchange handshake".

The "solution" is the following:

In Thunderbird, goto Tools/Options/Advanced/Config editor...
Say "I'll be careful, I promise!"

Then search for "security.ssl3.dhe_rsa_aes", and double click on both
entries (128 and 256) so that they become both false.

Maybe Embarcadero should also upgrade their server security parameters...

This solved the problem for me.

HTH
Achim
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  Posted: Sep 15, 2015 11:48 AM   in response to: Achim Kalwa in response to: Achim Kalwa
Achim Kalwa wrote:

This solved the problem for me.

Thank you for reply.

Yes, I've tried this some days ago but without success. :(

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Jeff Overcash (TeamB) wrote:

the codegear one was redirecting fine for years until the upgrades a
couple of weeks ago.

Yes, everyone needs to use forums.embarcadero.com now.

The forums.codegear.com wasn't actually a redirect ... the server was
also configured to respond to that address, which greatly added to the
deployment and maintenance complexity for the server. When we migrated,
support for codegear.com was dropped.

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  Posted: Sep 10, 2015 2:59 PM   in response to: John Kaster in response to: John Kaster
John,

| Yes, everyone needs to use forums.embarcadero.com now.

I've been using it for quite a while. <g>

However, as of today, Embarcadero no longer even recognizes me as a
user or a customer! I don't have a clue WTF is going on!!! (???????)

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  Posted: Sep 11, 2015 12:22 PM   in response to: Quentin Correll in response to: Quentin Correll
Quentin Correll wrote:

Embarcadero no longer even recognizes me as a
user or a customer! I don't have a clue WTF is going on!!!

Nor do I ... When you say "Embarcadero" do you mean the forums,
membership login, the community site, codecentral, or all of them?

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  Posted: Sep 11, 2015 1:13 PM   in response to: John Kaster in response to: John Kaster
John,

| Nor do I ... When you say "Embarcadero" do you mean the forums,
| membership login, the community site, codecentral, or all of them?

Yesterday it was "all of them."

Just a minute,... I'll go see what's happening today...

Ah,,, I think I have discovered what has happened. I used to be able
to log-in using either my e-mail address or an "ancient" ID (_Q) I used
to use. I just discovered that my e-mail address no longer works for
logging in. I now must use only the old _Q ID. <sigh>

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Quentin Correll wrote:

I just discovered that my e-mail address no longer works for
logging in.

Logging in to members.embarcadero.com with either my user name or email
address still works for me. Check your profile after logging in to
ensure you've still got the same info you expect. (I'm only saying this
as another user .. I don't know anything about any member services
changes that may have been made, but I doubt there were.)

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Carl-Henrik Nilsson wrote:
Dan Barclay wrote:
In my case, XanaNews has quit working, beginning sometime last week. (Socket Error 10060 connection timed out)

Has the nntp connection changed so that I need to adjust XanaNews?

Had the same problem in XanaNews.
Didn't use SSL, but turned it on (port 563) and now it's working again.
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I was able to continue to read using that, but posting was timing out, I have
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  Posted: Aug 27, 2015 2:59 AM   in response to: Carl-Henrik Nil... in response to: Carl-Henrik Nil...
Carl-Henrik Nilsson wrote:
Dan Barclay wrote:
In my case, XanaNews has quit working, beginning sometime last week. (Socket Error 10060 connection timed out)

Has the nntp connection changed so that I need to adjust XanaNews?

Had the same problem in XanaNews.
Didn't use SSL, but turned it on (port 563) and now it's working again.

Doesn't work for me - Opera 12.17

With previously-working setting (port 119, not secure) just sits at "Connecting"

Enabling "Secure Connection (TLS)" port 563 cycles every second "Connecting... Authenticating...Connecting.."

Extract from LogFile (below) shows a split personality - cycling between "More authentication information required" and "Authentication accepted"

(I have already tried almost every combination of connection (secure/not), and authentication (plaintext/CRAM-MD5) on both incoming and outgoing servers)

Anyone managed to get Opera Mail working?

Anyone have any other ideas? (other than switching my NNTP Client to XM)

Paul

<Extract from log...>

27/08-2015 10:32:04 Connecting...

27/08-2015 10:32:05 NNTP IN [#0]
200 Jive News: server ready - posting allowed

27/08-2015 10:32:05 Connecting...

27/08-2015 10:32:05 NNTP OUT [#0]
AUTHINFO USER paulscott1

27/08-2015 10:32:05 NNTP IN [#0]
3
27/08-2015 10:32:05 NNTP OUT [#0]
AUTHINFO PASS <redacted>

27/08-2015 10:32:05 NNTP IN [#0]
81 More authentication information required

27/08-2015 10:32:05 NNTP OUT [#0]
MODE READER

27/08-2015 10:32:05 NNTP IN [#0]
2
27/08-2015 10:32:05 NNTP OUT [#0]
GROUP embarcadero.public.delphi.non-technical

27/08-2015 10:32:05 NNTP IN [#0]
81 Authentication accepted

27/08-2015 10:32:06 NNTP IN [#0]
2
27/08-2015 10:32:06 NNTP IN [#1]
200 Jive News: server ready - posting allowed

27/08-2015 10:32:06 Connecting...

27/08-2015 10:32:06 NNTP OUT [#1]
AUTHINFO USER paulscott1

27/08-2015 10:32:06 NNTP IN [#1]
3
27/08-2015 10:32:06 NNTP OUT [#1]
AUTHINFO PASS <redacted>

27/08-2015 10:32:06 NNTP IN [#1]
81 More authentication information required

27/08-2015 10:32:06 NNTP OUT [#1]
MODE READER

27/08-2015 10:32:06 NNTP IN [#1]
2
27/08-2015 10:32:06 NNTP OUT [#1]
NEWGROUPS 150818 181719 GMT

27/08-2015 10:32:06 NNTP IN [#1]
81 Authentication accepted

27/08-2015 10:32:06 NNTP IN [#1]
2
27/08-2015 10:32:07 NNTP IN [#0]
200 Jive News: server ready - posting allowed

27/08-2015 10:32:07 Connecting...

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  Posted: Aug 27, 2015 9:01 AM   in response to: Paul Scott in response to: Paul Scott
Paul wrote:

Enabling "Secure Connection (TLS)" port 563 cycles every second
"Connecting... Authenticating...Connecting.."

There is a difference between SSL and TLS. Typically, when protocols make
that distinction, SSL is implicit (the secure handshake is performed immediately
upon connect, before any protocol data is exchanged) whereas TLS is explicit
(an unsure protocol handshake is performed first, then a protocol command
like STARTTLS is issued to perform a secure handshake). NNTP port 563 uses
implicit SSL, not explicit TLS. It makes a big difference.

Extract from LogFile (below) shows a split personality - cycling
between "More authentication information required" and "Authentication
accepted"

The entries in that log are a bit out of order, as if your reader is piplining
its NNTP commands - sending new commands without waiting for the responses
of earlier commands to arrive. Or maybe your reader is multithreaded, sending
commands on a different thread than the on that is reading the responses,
and the threads are competing for access to the log. Or something. Either
way, the log should look more like this instead:

27/08-2015 10:32:04 Connecting...

27/08-2015 10:32:05 NNTP IN [#0]
200 Jive News: server ready - posting allowed

27/08-2015 10:32:05 Connecting...

27/08-2015 10:32:05 NNTP OUT [#0]
AUTHINFO USER paulscott1

27/08-2015 10:32:05 NNTP IN [#0]
381 More authentication information required

27/08-2015 10:32:05 NNTP OUT [#0]
AUTHINFO PASS <redacted>

27/08-2015 10:32:05 NNTP IN [#0]
281 Authentication accepted

27/08-2015 10:32:05 NNTP OUT [#0]
MODE READER

27/08-2015 10:32:06 NNTP IN [#0]
200 Posting allowed

27/08-2015 10:32:06 NNTP OUT [#0]
NEWGROUPS 150818 181719 GMT

<response>

27/08-2015 10:32:06 NNTP OUT [#0]
GROUP embarcadero.public.delphi.non-technical

<response>

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Remy,

On 27-Aug-15, Remy Lebeau (TeamB) wrote:

Paul wrote:

Enabling "Secure Connection (TLS)" port 563 cycles every second
"Connecting... Authenticating...Connecting.."

There is a difference between SSL and TLS. Typically, when protocols
make that distinction, SSL is implicit (the secure handshake is
performed immediately upon connect, before any protocol data is
exchanged) whereas TLS is explicit (an unsure protocol handshake is
performed first, then a protocol command like STARTTLS is issued to
perform a secure handshake). NNTP port 563 uses implicit SSL, not
explicit TLS. It makes a big difference.
...

The entries in that log are a bit out of order, as if your reader is
piplining its NNTP commands - sending new commands without waiting
for the responses of earlier commands to arrive. Or maybe your
reader is multithreaded, sending commands on a different thread than
the on that is reading the responses, and the threads are competing
for access to the log. Or something. Either way, the log should
look more like this instead:

Thanks for your explanation, but since I don't have any way of changing
Opera's behaviour, I've installed XN

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  Posted: Sep 1, 2015 10:15 AM   in response to: Dalija Prasnikar in response to: Dalija Prasnikar
Dalija Prasnikar wrote:
And blue dots are back, yeeeee.....

Are there any plans to link the blue dots to the "first unread post"? A number of other forums I use have this feature and it's very helpful. I note that the "tooltip" that pops up over the blue dot says "Unread", so I'm extrapolating that this is the plan.

Or, is there some other method that I've missed of going to the "first unread" message in a thread?

Thanks,
Dan
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  Posted: Sep 1, 2015 11:41 AM   in response to: Dan Barclay in response to: Dan Barclay
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Are there any plans to link the blue dots to the "first unread post"?

All we did was reinstate the existing read tracking that was turned off
for performance reasons with the Blackfish SQL version.

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  Posted: Sep 1, 2015 12:06 PM   in response to: John Kaster in response to: John Kaster
John Kaster wrote:

Dan Barclay wrote:

Are there any plans to link the blue dots to the "first unread
post"?

All we did was reinstate the existing read tracking that was turned
off for performance reasons with the Blackfish SQL version.

Thanks for the reply. "Working is a feature", and I certainly don't
want to lose that.

But, this may be worth having on the list. Many web based newsgroups
(and all NNTP readers that I'm aware of) support this. It' pretty
important to usability.

Just don't break nuthin' while you're at it.

With the pieces I see already there, I'm guessing the bones are already
in the code. The "blue and part blue" clue buttons are probably more
difficult to do, and they're done.

As you're deciding whether to turn somebody's button blue, snag the
first unread and throw a link in the button. See how easy that is? <g>.

Dan
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Dan Barclay wrote:

But, this may be worth having on the list. Many web based newsgroups
(and all NNTP readers that I'm aware of) support this. It' pretty
important to usability.

Well, at least "you haven't read this" is back.

Just don't break nuthin' while you're at it.

Hah. If you only knew how much fun it is to work in the Jive code base
you'd appreciate how significant this request is.

As you're deciding whether to turn somebody's button blue, snag the
first unread and throw a link in the button. See how easy that is?
<g>.

:) Jive is written in Java, using many of Java's best practices.
Nothing is easy in that code base.

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  Posted: Sep 1, 2015 1:58 PM   in response to: John Kaster in response to: John Kaster
John Kaster wrote:

:) Jive is written in Java, using many of Java's best practices.
Nothing is easy in that code base.

Java has best practices???? :-)

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  Posted: Sep 1, 2015 2:13 PM   in response to: Van Swofford in response to: Van Swofford
Van Swofford wrote:

John Kaster wrote:

:) Jive is written in Java, using many of Java's best practices.
Nothing is easy in that code base.

Java has best practices???? :-)

The best practice is to use another language. <g>

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Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

Van Swofford wrote:

John Kaster wrote:

:) Jive is written in Java, using many of Java's best practices.
Nothing is easy in that code base.

Java has best practices???? :-)

The best practice is to use another language. <g>

LOL, ain't it the truth!

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  Posted: Sep 1, 2015 3:02 PM   in response to: Van Swofford in response to: Van Swofford
Van Swofford wrote:
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

Van Swofford wrote:

John Kaster wrote:

:) Jive is written in Java, using many of Java's best practices.
Nothing is easy in that code base.

Java has best practices???? :-)

The best practice is to use another language. <g>

LOL, ain't it the truth!

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Guys - I figure we have got something to compete with then ...

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Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
Van Swofford wrote:

John Kaster wrote:

:) Jive is written in Java, using many of Java's best practices.
Nothing is easy in that code base.

Java has best practices???? :-)

The best practice is to use another language. <g>

ROFL

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  Posted: Sep 2, 2015 2:26 PM   in response to: Van Swofford in response to: Van Swofford
Van Swofford wrote:

Java has best practices???? :-)

Java practitioners believe this to be true.

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  Posted: Sep 1, 2015 4:08 PM   in response to: John Kaster in response to: John Kaster
John Kaster wrote:
Dan Barclay wrote:

As you're deciding whether to turn somebody's button blue, snag the
first unread and throw a link in the button. See how easy that is?
<g>.

:) Jive is written in Java, using many of Java's best practices.
Nothing is easy in that code base.

Well, heck, if it was gonna be easy I'd ask somebody else to do it. I thought you were up there. You're not going to bust my bubble are ya?

There's a long weekend coming up...

Dan
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Dan Barclay wrote:

Well, heck, if it was gonna be easy I'd ask somebody else to do it.

LOL.

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  Posted: Aug 24, 2015 3:53 AM   in response to: David Clegg in response to: David Clegg
David Clegg wrote:
forums.embarcadero.com is now running on new, dedicated, significantly
upgraded hardware.

Yay! What are the plans for the new and dead slow community forums?
Coexist or migrate?

Thank you for your extraordinary patience during this long migration
process.
Honestly, I completely ran out of patience :P

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  Posted: Aug 24, 2015 3:59 AM   in response to: Lars Fosdal in response to: Lars Fosdal
Lars Fosdal wrote:
David Clegg wrote:
forums.embarcadero.com is now running on new, dedicated, significantly
upgraded hardware.

Yay! What are the plans for the new and dead slow community forums?
Coexist or migrate?

If they don't improve the speed new community is dead (not just slow). Just
measured, it took me 37 seconds for loading home page... that is unusable...

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  Posted: Aug 24, 2015 10:20 AM   in response to: David Clegg in response to: David Clegg
David Clegg wrote:

Thank you for your extraordinary patience during this long migration
process.

Looks like you'll need a bit more patience: there's an issue where
pages never complete loading for logged-in users, but only after an
indeterminate amount of time or hits. The cause needs to be found.

If you're not logged in, it continues to load fine. Ironically, this
would be fine for most web sites, but not one users post content.

Still more work to do, but for me it will have to wait until my regular
day at WideOrbit is done. Sorry.

Follow-ups go to the embarcadero.public.developernetwork.website forum.

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  Posted: Aug 24, 2015 10:40 AM   in response to: David Clegg in response to: David Clegg
OH YEAH !!!
Thank you :D
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  Posted: Aug 25, 2015 10:50 AM   in response to: David Clegg in response to: David Clegg
It is great to see the forum up again - and running that well ...
GOOD JOB ... THANKS
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  Posted: Aug 28, 2015 1:28 PM   in response to: Roland Kossow in response to: Roland Kossow
Wow I'm flying, great improvement over my NNTP client.
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  Posted: Aug 31, 2015 6:40 AM   in response to: Roland Kossow in response to: Roland Kossow
Den 8/25/2015 kl. 19:50 skrev Roland Kossow:
It is great to see the forum up again - and running that well ...
GOOD JOB ... THANKS

Thats really an improvement! Thank you for your sweat and tears while
moving it :)

Honestly it was, due to the long time that this server has been a
problem child, turned to be a serious embarrassment that was getting
difficult to explain (cover) to customers.

Im however happy to see that migrating it to new hardware, as it
indicates renewed focus on supporting an nntp based forum.

Moving 100% to the web based community forum would have been a mistake
in my opinion, as the large majority of posters and seemingly readers
visit either the nntp based forums directly or via the web interface.

So this is really great NNTP news ;)

best regards
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  Posted: Aug 25, 2015 1:17 PM   in response to: David Clegg in response to: David Clegg
Hello,

thanks for the information and for all the work done to get the forums back into a stable state.
The only thing left to do for me is to find out why my NNTP client stopped finding new posts.

Greetings

Markus
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  Posted: Aug 25, 2015 2:12 PM   in response to: Markus Humm in response to: Markus Humm
Markus Humm wrote:
Hello,

thanks for the information and for all the work done to get the forums back into a stable state.
The only thing left to do for me is to find out why my NNTP client stopped finding new posts.

Greetings

Markus
Some of us found that our clients weren't using SSL, which is supposed to only be required if you access the private groups.

Check your server as: forums.embarcadero.com
Check SSL Required as Yes. SSL port 563

Dan
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Dan Barclay wrote:

Some of us found that our clients weren't using SSL, which is
supposed to only be required if you access the private groups.

Consider that requirement changed, then ;)

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  Posted: Aug 26, 2015 10:34 AM   in response to: John Kaster in response to: John Kaster
John Kaster wrote:

Dan Barclay wrote:

Some of us found that our clients weren't using SSL, which is
supposed to only be required if you access the private groups.

Consider that requirement changed, then ;)

Already done! <g> Just spreading the word.

Dan
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Dan Barclay wrote:

Already done! <g> Just spreading the word.

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  Posted: Aug 26, 2015 9:55 AM   in response to: Dan Barclay in response to: Dan Barclay
Dan Barclay wrote:
Markus Humm wrote:
Hello,

thanks for the information and for all the work done to get the forums back into a stable state.
The only thing left to do for me is to find out why my NNTP client stopped finding new posts.

Greetings

Markus
Some of us found that our clients weren't using SSL, which is supposed to only be required if you access the private groups.

Check your server as: forums.embarcadero.com
Check SSL Required as Yes. SSL port 563

Dan

Hello,

thanks for these tips, but that's not the issue. I checked my Thunderbird's settings.
They should be fine. I'll investigate further later on.

Greetings

Markus
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  Posted: Aug 26, 2015 10:32 AM   in response to: Markus Humm in response to: Markus Humm
Markus Humm wrote:

I checked my Thunderbird's settings.
They should be fine. I'll investigate further later on.

Good luck. FWIW, I tested NNTP with Thunderbird as well and it was
working when I last checked.

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  Posted: Aug 28, 2015 7:15 AM   in response to: David Clegg in response to: David Clegg
Thank you very much!

Radu Capota

David Clegg wrote:
forums.embarcadero.com is now running on new, dedicated, significantly
upgraded hardware. The database has been migrated from BlackfishSQL to
Microsoft SQL Server.

We hoped for a smooth transition of an hour or less, but before we
could get all the pieces finalized, the old Jive implementation took
its last gasp. We apologize for the lack of advanced notice, but the
old Jive server failure forced our timeline.

All messages were successfully migrated over, but some draft messages
were lost due to data issues during the migration.

Thanks to the greatly improved performance of the new implementation,
read status tracking has been turned back on. You should see those
little blue dots for new posts/threads when using the browser interface.

For all forum operations, you should see significantly improved
performance, and hopefully much greater reliability. There is no longer
any need to shut down Jive to run a full backup of the database.

Thank you for your extraordinary patience during this long migration
process.

We hope you enjoy the new Jive server.

Regards,

David Clegg, John Kaster, and the Embarcadero forums migration team
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  Posted: Sep 1, 2015 2:37 AM   in response to: David Clegg in response to: David Clegg
David Clegg wrote:
forums.embarcadero.com is now running on new, dedicated, significantly
upgraded hardware. The database has been migrated from BlackfishSQL to
Microsoft SQL Server.

Nice.

This is the longest continuous uptime these forums have had in a very long time.

Interestingly, I can't reply to this thread using NNTP (XanaNews), and it isn't visible when I redownloaded all of my non-tech messages. I can reply to others, though.

David Clegg, John Kaster, and the Embarcadero forums migration team

Kudos to everyone involved. Great job!

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Bruce McGee
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  Posted: Sep 1, 2015 10:11 AM   in response to: Bruce McGee in response to: Bruce McGee
Bruce McGee wrote:

David Clegg wrote:
forums.embarcadero.com is now running on new, dedicated,
significantly upgraded hardware. The database has been migrated
from BlackfishSQL to Microsoft SQL Server.

Nice.

This is the longest continuous uptime these forums have had in a very
long time.

Interestingly, I can't reply to this thread using NNTP (XanaNews),
and it isn't visible when I redownloaded all of my non-tech messages.
I can reply to others, though.

I'm giving it a try from Xananews. If you see this post, maybe they're
trying to tell you something. <g>
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  Posted: Sep 1, 2015 10:18 AM   in response to: Dan Barclay in response to: Dan Barclay
Dan Barclay wrote:

Bruce McGee wrote:

David Clegg wrote:
forums.embarcadero.com is now running on new, dedicated,
significantly upgraded hardware. The database has been migrated
from BlackfishSQL to Microsoft SQL Server.

Nice.

This is the longest continuous uptime these forums have had in a
very long time.

Interestingly, I can't reply to this thread using NNTP (XanaNews),
and it isn't visible when I redownloaded all of my non-tech
messages. I can reply to others, though.

I'm giving it a try from Xananews. If you see this post, maybe
they're trying to tell you something. <g>

See my reply to Bruce. SSL seems to be a requirement now (I never post
without it, for internal reasons, but it seems to be required for
everyone now -- so I heard).

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behalf of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy."
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  Posted: Sep 1, 2015 10:27 AM   in response to: Rudy Velthuis (... in response to: Rudy Velthuis (...
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

Dan Barclay wrote:

Bruce McGee wrote:

David Clegg wrote:
forums.embarcadero.com is now running on new, dedicated,
significantly upgraded hardware. The database has been migrated
from BlackfishSQL to Microsoft SQL Server.

Nice.

This is the longest continuous uptime these forums have had in a
very long time.

Interestingly, I can't reply to this thread using NNTP (XanaNews),
and it isn't visible when I redownloaded all of my non-tech
messages. I can reply to others, though.

I'm giving it a try from Xananews. If you see this post, maybe
they're trying to tell you something. <g>

See my reply to Bruce. SSL seems to be a requirement now (I never post
without it, for internal reasons, but it seems to be required for
everyone now -- so I heard).

Yea, but you're screwing up a good conspiracy theory with facts. It
could be that they're out to get Bruce <g>.

Yes, they changed that ssl requirement. Everybody must run SLL
according to Kaster. It used to be required only for those accessing
private sections.

I didn't think ssl just affected posts, but the entire connection.
Maybe they are tinkering on it.

Dan
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  Posted: Sep 1, 2015 10:32 AM   in response to: Dan Barclay in response to: Dan Barclay
Dan Barclay wrote:

See my reply to Bruce. SSL seems to be a requirement now (I never
post without it, for internal reasons, but it seems to be required
for everyone now -- so I heard).

Yea, but you're screwing up a good conspiracy theory with facts.

Sorry. <g>

I said I heard. I may still be wrong.

That someone is paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get him. <g>
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Gilb's Laws Of Unreliability:

1. At the source of every error which is blamed on the
computer you will find at least two human errors, including
the error of blaming it on the computer.
2. Any system which depends on human reliability is unreliable.
3. Undetectable errors are infinite in variety, in contrast to
detectable errors, which by definition are limited.
4. Investment in reliability will increase until it exceeds the
probable cost of errors, or until someone insists on
getting some useful work done.
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  Posted: Sep 1, 2015 5:58 PM   in response to: Dan Barclay in response to: Dan Barclay
Dan Barclay wrote:

Yea, but you're screwing up a good conspiracy theory with facts.

Can't have that.

It
could be that they're out to get Bruce <g>.

Well, David I has had it out for me since he stole my whole tie-dye
schtick.

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  Posted: Sep 1, 2015 10:16 AM   in response to: Bruce McGee in response to: Bruce McGee
Bruce McGee wrote:

Interestingly, I can't reply to this thread using NNTP (XanaNews),
and it isn't visible when I redownloaded all of my non-tech messages.
I can reply to others, though.

I assume you must use SSL. It was already on by default for me, but I
heard of others that that was their problem.

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the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter."
-- Winston Churchill.
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Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

I assume you must use SSL. It was already on by default for me, but I
heard of others that that was their problem.

I do as well.

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  Posted: Sep 8, 2015 12:35 PM   in response to: Rudy Velthuis (... in response to: Rudy Velthuis (...
Rudy,

| I assume you must use SSL. It was already on by default for me, but I
| heard of others that that was their problem.

Ditto.

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  Posted: Sep 1, 2015 11:43 AM   in response to: Bruce McGee in response to: Bruce McGee
Bruce McGee wrote:

Interestingly, I can't reply to this thread using NNTP (XanaNews),
and it isn't visible when I redownloaded all of my non-tech messages.
I can reply to others, though.

I'm seeing your post via XanaNews, fwiw. But perhaps there's some lag
time on certain posts for some reason. You aren't the only one to
notice it.

Kudos to everyone involved. Great job!

Thanks. At least things are significantly better than they were :)

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  Posted: Sep 1, 2015 1:56 PM   in response to: John Kaster in response to: John Kaster
John Kaster wrote:

Thanks. At least things are significantly better than they were :)

More like 1/0 better! And that's big! :-) Thanks for a great job!

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  Posted: Sep 1, 2015 2:12 PM   in response to: John Kaster in response to: John Kaster
John Kaster wrote:

Bruce McGee wrote:

Interestingly, I can't reply to this thread using NNTP (XanaNews),
and it isn't visible when I redownloaded all of my non-tech
messages. I can reply to others, though.

I'm seeing your post via XanaNews, fwiw. But perhaps there's some lag
time on certain posts for some reason. You aren't the only one to
notice it.

Kudos to everyone involved. Great job!

Thanks. At least things are significantly better than they were :)

Oh, indeed, indeed. More than just "significantly".

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education."
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  Posted: Sep 1, 2015 4:18 PM   in response to: John Kaster in response to: John Kaster
John Kaster wrote:

Bruce McGee wrote:

Interestingly, I can't reply to this thread using NNTP (XanaNews),
and it isn't visible when I redownloaded all of my non-tech
messages. I can reply to others, though.

I'm seeing your post via XanaNews

Me too.

And I responded to another post in XanaNews with no trouble.

Weird

Kudos to everyone involved. Great job!

Thanks. At least things are significantly better than they were :)

Yes it is.

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  Posted: Sep 2, 2015 11:16 AM   in response to: Bruce McGee in response to: Bruce McGee
Bruce McGee wrote:

Me too.

And I responded to another post in XanaNews with no trouble.

Weird

Looks like we have some more research to do. It will have to wait until
we have available time again.

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  Posted: Sep 2, 2015 5:15 PM   in response to: John Kaster in response to: John Kaster
John Kaster wrote:

Bruce McGee wrote:

Me too.

And I responded to another post in XanaNews with no trouble.

Weird

Looks like we have some more research to do. It will have to wait
until we have available time again.

If there's anything I can do to help...

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  Posted: Sep 3, 2015 3:54 PM   in response to: Bruce McGee in response to: Bruce McGee
Bruce McGee wrote:

If there's anything I can do to help...

Thanks for the offer. We may take you up on that.

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  Posted: Sep 8, 2015 12:37 PM   in response to: Bruce McGee in response to: Bruce McGee
Bruce,

| | I'm seeing your post via XanaNews
|
| Me too.
|
| And I responded to another post in XanaNews with no trouble.
|
| Weird

I've been using only XN for years and have never had an issue. I don't
understand what some users are experiencing. (???)

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  Posted: Sep 8, 2015 2:49 PM   in response to: David Clegg in response to: David Clegg
all of the sudden I cannot get thunderbird to work with EMBS news server. It was working with this new server last week. I'm also able to access other news servers.
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  Posted: Sep 8, 2015 5:34 PM   in response to: Mike Margerum in response to: Mike Margerum
Mike Margerum wrote:

all of the sudden I cannot get thunderbird to work with EMBS news
server. It was working with this new server last week. I'm also
able to access other news servers.

News server now requires SLL, it previously didn't.

Set that, you should be good.
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  Posted: Sep 9, 2015 5:17 AM   in response to: Dan Barclay in response to: Dan Barclay
I did setup SSL and it was working with the new server until this week.

Dan Barclay wrote:
Mike Margerum wrote:

all of the sudden I cannot get thunderbird to work with EMBS news
server. It was working with this new server last week. I'm also
able to access other news servers.

News server now requires SLL, it previously didn't.

Set that, you should be good.
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  Posted: Sep 9, 2015 10:41 AM   in response to: Mike Margerum in response to: Mike Margerum
Am 09.09.2015 um 14:17 schrieb Mike Margerum:
I did setup SSL and it was working with the new server until this week.

Dan Barclay wrote:
Mike Margerum wrote:

all of the sudden I cannot get thunderbird to work with EMBS news
server. It was working with this new server last week. I'm also
able to access other news servers.

News server now requires SLL, it previously didn't.

Set that, you should be good.

Hello,

I'm using Thunderbird right now.
Did you follow the advice to turn something off in the about:config
style settings?
It was something about a certain crypto algorithm.

Greetings

Markus
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  Posted: Sep 9, 2015 10:47 AM   in response to: Mike Margerum in response to: Mike Margerum
On 09/09/2015 8:17 AM, Mike Margerum wrote:
I did setup SSL and it was working with the new server until this week.

Dan Barclay wrote:
Mike Margerum wrote:

all of the sudden I cannot get thunderbird to work with EMBS news
server. It was working with this new server last week. I'm also
able to access other news servers.

News server now requires SLL, it previously didn't.

Set that, you should be good.

Hi Mike,

Changing the settings,below got ThunderBird going for me. Once I made the
chages, and tried to connect, it asked for my EDN credentials, and the
newgroup list was updated.

HTH

Bill


In Thunderbird, goto Tools/Options/Advanced/Config editor...

Say "I'll be careful, I promise!"

Then search for "security.ssl3.dhe_rsa_aes", and double click on both
entries (128 and 256) so that they become both false.

<<<

The following is a paste of the whole message from the web forum topic "Using
Thunderbird as news reader"

I am using Thunderbird to connect to the Embarcadero forums. It doesn't
work out of the box. This could help:

Go to the Server settings.

Server name: forums.embarcadero.com

Connection security: SSL/TLS (the port number is 563).

By default, this does not work since the server at embarcadero
apparently still uses protocol parameters that are (considered as)
vulnerable to the logjam vulnerability
http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/05/https-crippling-attack-threatens-tens-of-thousands-of-web-and-mail-servers/
Thunderbird doesn't accept these parameters anymore (by default), it
says: "SSL Key received a weak ephemeral Diffie-Hellman key in server
exchange handshake".

The "solution" is the following:

In Thunderbird, goto Tools/Options/Advanced/Config editor...

Say "I'll be careful, I promise!"

Then search for "security.ssl3.dhe_rsa_aes", and double click on both
entries (128 and 256) so that they become both false.

Maybe Embarcadero should also upgrade their server security parameters...
Christian

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  Posted: Sep 9, 2015 3:43 PM   in response to: Bill Mogk in response to: Bill Mogk
Markus / Bill. That did it. Working now. thank you!
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