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Quentin Correll


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  Posted: Apr 30, 2015 3:40 PM
Anyone know how to get a Welcome page that looks like the XE7 Welcome
page instead of the CRAPPY (<== My opinion!!!) looking XE8 Welcome
page?!?!?!

I don't understand why some things that are NOT broken get messed with!
<SIGH>

IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T "FIX" (or F*** with) IT!!!!!!!

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Q -- XanaNews 1.19.1.372 - 2015-04-30 15:35:22
Brian Hamilton ...

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  Posted: Apr 30, 2015 6:49 PM   in response to: Quentin Correll in response to: Quentin Correll
its not that bad surely
its just different
some people dont like change
everything is there that you need..except maybe favourites?
its good to have easy links to the new getit
and to tutorials, etc
Rudy Poseika

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  Posted: May 1, 2015 4:53 AM   in response to: Brian Hamilton ... in response to: Brian Hamilton ...
So... does this imply there is a way to get FAVOURITES back
and use the Welcome (or other page) to manage / retrieve projects?
I was wondering about that as well...

On 04/30/2015 9:49 PM, Brian Hamilton Hamilton wrote:
its not that bad surely
its just different
some people dont like change
everything is there that you need..except maybe favourites?
its good to have easy links to the new getit
and to tutorials, etc
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  Posted: May 1, 2015 11:31 AM   in response to: Rudy Poseika in response to: Rudy Poseika
Rudy Poseika wrote:
So... does this imply there is a way to get FAVOURITES back
and use the Welcome (or other page) to manage / retrieve projects?
I was wondering about that as well...

No, but Marco has acknowledged that favorites should be there and should be
brought back hopefully in the first patch.

On 04/30/2015 9:49 PM, Brian Hamilton Hamilton wrote:
its not that bad surely
its just different
some people dont like change
everything is there that you need..except maybe favourites?
its good to have easy links to the new getit
and to tutorials, etc

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Quentin Correll


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  Posted: May 1, 2015 10:42 AM   in response to: Brian Hamilton ... in response to: Brian Hamilton ...
Brian,

| its not that bad surely
| its just different

Wrong. I realize that's "my opinion." But I think it sucked.

However, it doesn't matter now. After fighting with XE8 for two-plus
days:

I have wasted two and a half days, and suffered a totally trashed
system, trying to install XE8 and my 3rd-party components.

I have decided that XE8 is, for me, a SERIOUSLY FLAWED version!!!!!!!

I am scrapping XE8!!!!!!!

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Q -- XanaNews 1.19.1.372 - 2015-05-01 10:40:29
Dalija Prasnikar

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  Posted: May 1, 2015 11:30 AM   in response to: Quentin Correll in response to: Quentin Correll
Quentin Correll wrote:
Brian,

| its not that bad surely
| its just different

Wrong. I realize that's "my opinion." But I think it sucked.

However, it doesn't matter now. After fighting with XE8 for two-plus
days:

I have wasted two and a half days, and suffered a totally trashed
system, trying to install XE8 and my 3rd-party components.

I have decided that XE8 is, for me, a SERIOUSLY FLAWED version!!!!!!!

I am scrapping XE8!!!!!!!

What issues have you encountered?

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  Posted: May 1, 2015 12:09 PM   in response to: Dalija Prasnikar in response to: Dalija Prasnikar
What issues have you encountered?
exactly....it should have been no harder than XE7, to upgrade to..
was not for me anyway...
Jim Wendell

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  Posted: May 1, 2015 3:36 PM   in response to: Quentin Correll in response to: Quentin Correll
Quentin Correll wrote:
Anyone know how to get a Welcome page that looks like the XE7 Welcome
page instead of the CRAPPY (<== My opinion!!!) looking XE8 Welcome
page?!?!?!

I don't understand why some things that are NOT broken get messed with!
<SIGH>

IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T "FIX" (or F*** with) IT!!!!!!!

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Q -- XanaNews 1.19.1.372 - 2015-04-30 15:35:22

I AGREE!

I added the -np switch to keep it off my screen, but I lost things I wanted.
Borja Serrano

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  Posted: May 4, 2015 7:24 AM   in response to: Quentin Correll in response to: Quentin Correll
Have you tried to copy the one from XE7 after making a backup? All the code should be under the "Welcomepage" folder
Quentin Correll


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  Posted: May 4, 2015 10:14 AM   in response to: Borja Serrano in response to: Borja Serrano
Borja,

| Have you tried to copy the one from XE7 after making a backup? All
| the code should be under the "Welcomepage" folder

No. And XE8 trashed my system so I have just decided to restore my
system to my XE7 environment and totally forget XE8.

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  Posted: May 4, 2015 10:29 AM   in response to: Quentin Correll in response to: Quentin Correll
"Quentin Correll" wrote on Mon, 4 May 2015 10:14:38 -0700:

And XE8 trashed my system

How did you determine that?

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Quentin Correll


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  Posted: May 4, 2015 11:45 AM   in response to: Brandon Staggs in response to: Brandon Staggs
Brandon,

| | And XE8 trashed my system
|
| How did you determine that?

After installing XE8 NOTHING "Delphi" worked, including my XE7
environment!!! I had to restore my c:\ drive from a full back-up from
four days prior to installing XE8 (Last prior full C:\ back-up I had.).

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Q -- XanaNews 1.19.1.372 - 2015-05-04 11:40:17
Brandon Staggs

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  Posted: May 4, 2015 2:34 PM   in response to: Quentin Correll in response to: Quentin Correll
"Quentin Correll" wrote on Mon, 4 May 2015 11:45:54 -0700:

Brandon,

|| And XE8 trashed my system
|
| How did you determine that?

After installing XE8 NOTHING "Delphi" worked, including my XE7
environment!!! I had to restore my c:\ drive from a full back-up from
four days prior to installing XE8 (Last prior full C:\ back-up I had.).

Yes, but how do you know what the cause was? I have XE8 installed.
It and XE7 (and other previous versions) all work just fine.

I have tracked problems to third-party installers hosing my Delphi
library paths, and things like that. I was just curious your
methodology in determining XE8 to be "at fault."

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Dalija Prasnikar

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  Posted: May 5, 2015 12:50 AM   in response to: Brandon Staggs in response to: Brandon Staggs
Brandon Staggs wrote:
"Quentin Correll" wrote on Mon, 4 May 2015 11:45:54 -0700:

Brandon,

|| And XE8 trashed my system
|
| How did you determine that?

After installing XE8 NOTHING "Delphi" worked, including my XE7
environment!!! I had to restore my c:\ drive from a full back-up from
four days prior to installing XE8 (Last prior full C:\ back-up I had.).

Yes, but how do you know what the cause was? I have XE8 installed.
It and XE7 (and other previous versions) all work just fine.

I have tracked problems to third-party installers hosing my Delphi
library paths, and things like that. I was just curious your
methodology in determining XE8 to be "at fault."

Delphi installers add to much stuff into PAT variable, as result at some point
your whole system can go down...

Some related bug reports (probably there are more)

IDE should not require entries in the system path
https://quality.embarcadero.com/browse/RSP-10321

RAD Studio Installer adds to the System PATH variable needlessly
https://quality.embarcadero.com/browse/RSP-10428

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  Posted: May 6, 2015 11:21 AM   in response to: Brandon Staggs in response to: Brandon Staggs
Brandon,

| Yes, but how do you know what the cause was? I have XE8 installed.
| It and XE7 (and other previous versions) all work just fine.

| I have tracked problems to third-party installers hosing my Delphi
| library paths, and things like that. I was just curious your

| methodology in determining XE8 to be "at fault."

I was so p*ssed I did not try to debug it and find out the root
cause(s). 3rd-party "stuff" may indeed have been the underlying causes,
even though they all stated they were for XE8. I don't get paid for
nor have the time to debug stuff I pay $$$ for and expect to work!

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Brandon Staggs

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  Posted: May 5, 2015 4:19 PM   in response to: Quentin Correll in response to: Quentin Correll
"Quentin Correll" wrote on Mon, 4 May 2015 11:45:54 -0700:

Brandon,

|| And XE8 trashed my system
|
| How did you determine that?

After installing XE8 NOTHING "Delphi" worked, including my XE7
environment!!! I had to restore my c:\ drive from a full back-up from
four days prior to installing XE8 (Last prior full C:\ back-up I had.).

Yes, but how do you know what the cause was? I have XE8 installed.
It and XE7 (and other previous versions) all work just fine.

I have tracked problems to third-party installers hosing my Delphi
library paths, and things like that. I was just curious your
methodology in determining XE8 to be "at fault."

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Brandon Staggs
StudyLamp Software LLC
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Quentin Correll


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  Posted: May 6, 2015 11:22 AM   in response to: Brandon Staggs in response to: Brandon Staggs
Brandon,

Dupe.

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Robert Evans

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  Posted: Jun 22, 2015 4:22 AM   in response to: Quentin Correll in response to: Quentin Correll
In article <722787 at forums dot embarcadero dot com>, Quentin Correll
<qcorrell at pacNObell dot net> wrote
And XE8 trashed my system so I have just decided to restore my
system to my XE7 environment and totally forget XE8.

Q,

As Dalija says, there could be a problem with overloading of the Windows
"Path" environment variable in your PC. In case you have not yet come
across it, I have found "Rapid Environment Editor" to be a really good
tool for resolving such issues:
http://www.rapidee.com/en/about

It is GUI-based, quite straightforward to use, highlights any broken
directory paths and allows one to get at each individual element in the
Path string. One hint: with modern versions of Windows, be sure to
start the thing via "Run as administrator" when you wish to make
changes.

HTH,
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Quentin Correll


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  Posted: Jun 26, 2015 11:08 AM   in response to: Robert Evans in response to: Robert Evans
Robert,

| I have found "Rapid Environment Editor" to be a really good
| tool for resolving such issues:
| http://www.rapidee.com/en/about

Thanks!

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  Posted: Jun 26, 2015 3:13 PM   in response to: Robert Evans in response to: Robert Evans
Robert,

| I have found "Rapid Environment Editor" to be a really good
| tool for resolving such issues:
| http://www.rapidee.com/en/about

Thanks!

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  Posted: Jun 26, 2015 3:14 PM   in response to: Robert Evans in response to: Robert Evans
Robert,

| I have found "Rapid Environment Editor" to be a really good
| tool for resolving such issues:
| http://www.rapidee.com/en/about

Thanks!

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