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Thread: What flavour of Delphi would be better for me to migrate to, from Delphi 2009 Architect?



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Kai Inge Buseth

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What flavour of Delphi would be better for me to migrate to, from Delphi 2009 Architect?
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  Posted: Feb 26, 2015 12:14 PM
Hello.

I do single development and need access to database tools, so I have
today bought the updated Devarts Unidac for D2009E,
since my previous version was from back in 2010.
Then I thought, why not take the full step, when I'm in the move anyway.
Have read a lot in ng's of slower compiler and about drowning in new
stuff that does Delphi harder to get productive,
with my knowledge level.
I'm now, for me, doing the biggest project ever, so perhaps I should
take the step now, but fear the time consuming consequences.
Perhaps the time needed for the project itself will have to be used to
master the new Delphi.
At the same time I'm afraid of getting outdated during the project.
With the new versions of Database Workbench and Firebird, the 2010
flavour of TUniConnection started
to complain about 'Unsupported metadata kind', thus the today's update.
Perhaps there is more to come in the near future, for my Delphi 2009.
So I'm in a pain here.

Any advice?
Thanks in advance.

Environment:
Win7
Delphi 2009E CodeGear™ RAD Studio 2009 Version 12.0.3420.21218
Copyright © 2009 Embarcadero Technologies, Inc.
madExcept 4.0.9
Character Set: UTF8
Raize components 6.1.2.0
UniDac components, like:
TInterbaseUniProvider->TUniConnection->TUniQuery->TDataSource->DBGrid.
Firebird 2.5.0.26074
Database Workbench 5 pro

:)
Kai Inge

Quentin Correll


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Re: What flavour of Delphi would be better for me to migrate to, from Delphi 2009 Architect?
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  Posted: Feb 26, 2015 12:53 PM   in response to: Kai Inge Buseth in response to: Kai Inge Buseth
Kai,

I would suggest going with RAD Studio Pro XE7.

Also Use NexusDB for your database DBMS!!!!!!!

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Marcin Bury

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Re: What flavour of Delphi would be better for me to migrate to, from Delphi 2009 Architect?
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  Posted: Feb 27, 2015 2:10 AM   in response to: Kai Inge Buseth in response to: Kai Inge Buseth
Kai

Upgrading Delphi (or RAD Studio) to current one might be a good option, as Quentin suggested.
But I would definitely recommend using Firebird if you are familiar with... only upgrading it to 2.5.3 and 3.x in the future.

M.
Markus Humm

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  Posted: Feb 27, 2015 9:30 AM   in response to: Marcin Bury in response to: Marcin Bury
Am 27.02.2015 um 11:10 schrieb Marcin Bury:
Kai

Upgrading Delphi (or RAD Studio) to current one might be a good option, as Quentin suggested.
But I would definitely recommend using Firebird if you are familiar with... only upgrading it to 2.5.3 and 3.x in the future.

M.

Hello,

I've just read about a new EMBT promo: if you buy XE7 now you'll get XE8
for free when it comes out.

Greetings

Markus
david hoke

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Re: What flavour of Delphi would be better for me to migrate to, from Delphi 2009 Architect?
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  Posted: Feb 27, 2015 12:47 PM   in response to: Markus Humm in response to: Markus Humm
"Markus Humm" <markus dot humm at freenet dot de> wrote in message
news:715781 at forums dot embarcadero dot com...

I've just read about a new EMBT promo: if you buy XE7 now you'll get XE8
for free when it comes out.

online reference of information available (link/url?)?
david hoke

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  Posted: Feb 27, 2015 12:50 PM   in response to: david hoke in response to: david hoke
"david hoke" <dhoke.nojunk@east-shore.com> wrote in message
news:715830 at forums dot embarcadero dot com...
"Markus Humm" <markus dot humm at freenet dot de> wrote in message
news:715781 at forums dot embarcadero dot com...

I've just read about a new EMBT promo: if you buy XE7 now you'll get XE8
for free when it comes out.

online reference of information available (link/url?)?

never mind...
http://www.embarcadero.com/radoffer#freeUS
Michael Thuma

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  Posted: Feb 27, 2015 8:50 AM   in response to: Kai Inge Buseth in response to: Kai Inge Buseth
I did not face any problem until now. Since XE4 Delphi works pretty well. XE6 and Update 1 works in my case but the translation environment is broken and that's fixed with XE 7. So you have either slow floating point in XE6 no update or no translation environment in XE6 Update 1. iirc. That does not hurt me personally. I like XE 6 most but XE7 is a patched XE6.

You can definitely use XE, XE4, XE5 and XE7.

In XE4 and XE5 the remote debugger had some issues with tool tip evaluation but those are gone. The first improvement did come with XE4 - the IDE survived that kind of problem and in XE6 the problem was gone. But I do no longer test that way. There have been some tiny glitches every now and then. More or less since XE5 they are gone more or less better said more than less. The moment you started working on Win64 those problems didn't hurt anyway.

I run various configurations since I don't touch a configuration for years. I still work with XE4 in a configuration you described on my oldest laptop together with a naked XE Enterprise for several 'sever side stuff' and all the good things from the repositories but no components installed.. Productive work too in XE6 and XE7. Somehow similar to the configuration you described.

I guess using XE7 definitely does make sense but I don't compile millions of code lines. I tried the Enterprise version of XE > 0 too. For me Delphi is still a very good choice.

Kai Inge Buseth wrote:
Hello.

Have read a lot in ng's of slower compiler and about drowning in new
stuff that does Delphi harder to get productive,
with my knowledge level.

:)
Kai Inge

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Jim Fleming

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Re: What flavour of Delphi would be better for me to migrate to, from Delphi 2009 Architect?
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  Posted: Mar 2, 2015 8:14 AM   in response to: Michael Thuma in response to: Michael Thuma
<Michael Thuma> escribió en el mensaje news:715771 at forums dot embarcadero dot com...
I did not face any problem until now .... XE6 and Update 1 works in my case but the translation
environment is broken and that's fixed with XE 7. So you have either slow floating point in XE6 no
update or no translation environment in XE6 Update 1. iirc.

I am in the final stages of migrating my three applications to XE6, having paid for all the updated
component sets, EurekaLog, etc etc., changed over from XP to Windows, migrated the databases, etc. A
lot of work. Really a lot, and have had to do it in fits and spurts to fit into the evolution of the
three applications.

Your post seems to imply that I will not be able to translate my base applications to other
languages. Is that correct ??

If this is so, EMBT will hear from me. Product NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE.

Could you please elaborate on how the translation environment is broken ??

Thanks in advance,

JF
John Gray

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Re: What flavour of Delphi would be better for me to migrate to, from Delphi 2009 Architect?
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  Posted: Feb 28, 2015 9:48 AM   in response to: Kai Inge Buseth in response to: Kai Inge Buseth
Perhaps the time needed for the project itself will
have to be used to master the new Delphi.

There's definitely a learning curve, and it does take time, but it's well worth it.

I can't speak to which to choose, but about the process... As far as I know, you have to purchase
whatever is the current version of Delphi, in this case, XE7. Once you have that registered, you
will have access to licenses and downloads for several older versions. If XE7 doesn't suit, you
can try those, and see which one fits for you.

See david hoke's post for a link to the current promotion.
This page: http://www.embarcadero.com/rad-offer-eligible#freeUS says upgrades can be done
from any previous version. These are U.S. pages though (I think you're in Europe?) -- you'll want
to verify that you qualify.

---

Note that S&M has been changed to "Update Subscription". This isn't just a name change, there
are significant feature changes too. My understanding (per sales rep) is that updates and hotfixes
for the current version will be available only with an Update Subscription.
http://www.embarcadero.com/products/rad-studio/update-subscription

hth,
John

Edited by: John Gray on Feb 28, 2015 9:51 AM

Kai Inge Buseth

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  Posted: Mar 19, 2015 8:37 PM   in response to: John Gray in response to: John Gray
John Gray wrote:

Perhaps the time needed for the project itself will
have to be used to master the new Delphi.

There's definitely a learning curve, and it does take time, but it's
well worth it.
I can't speak to which to choose, but about the process... As far as
I know, you have to purchase whatever is the current version of
Delphi, in this case, XE7. Once you have that registered, you will
have access to licenses and downloads for several older versions.
You can try those, and see which one fits for you.
See david hoke's post for a link to the current promotion.
This page: http://www.embarcadero.com/rad-offer-eligible#freeUS says
upgrades can be done from any previous version. These are U.S. pages
though (I think you're in Europe?) -- you'll want to verify that you
qualify.
---

Note that S&M has been changed to "Update Subscription". This isn't
just a name change, there are significant feature changes too. My
understanding (per sales rep) is that updates and hotfixes for the
current version will be available only with an Update Subscription.
http://www.embarcadero.com/products/rad-studio/update-subscription

hth,
John

Hello again

and thank you for answering me.
I have been away and working with other things for a while.
Yesterday I just decided to do the jump to get upgraded.

Then I did a terrible mistake, misleaded by the text on the top of
their site
and picked the wrong link on the site to download XE7 Enterprise .
(I have Delphi 2009 Enterprise, not Architecht, to correct my own
subject line here.)

After downloading I realized that this was for XE3 and above and then
saw that only the bottom link was for earlier versions.
I imediately contacted the sales and they had a automatic response that
they will come back to me 'Shortly', but I'm not sure what shortly
means in this case and the offer is only until march 31.
Now I'm lost in how to correct this error and don't know what more to
do.
It's too much money to let go down the drain.

:)
Kai Inge
Bruce McGee

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  Posted: Mar 20, 2015 11:43 AM   in response to: Kai Inge Buseth in response to: Kai Inge Buseth
Kai Inge Buseth wrote:

Now I'm lost in how to correct this error and don't know what more to
do.
It's too much money to let go down the drain.

Have you tried contacting Embarcadero directly by phone?

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Kai Inge Buseth

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  Posted: Mar 20, 2015 4:23 PM   in response to: Bruce McGee in response to: Bruce McGee
Bruce McGee wrote:

Kai Inge Buseth wrote:

Now I'm lost in how to correct this error and don't know what more
to do.
It's too much money to let go down the drain.

Have you tried contacting Embarcadero directly by phone?

Some hours ago I found a site where to contact them by mail.
Then I got contacted by a firm in Norway, who will help me
on monday.
So now I'm relieved. It was a pain waiting when I did such an error
and then saw the line of policy: No return.
In fact I saw my money lost in a product that I could not use. :-)

When I calmed down, I also saw that the flavour XE 7 Enterprise also
had the very small text 'older Delphi versions'.
So on monday I will find out why the linsence number was only for XE 3
and above.
Perhaps it was the right link after all and they have some way to
accept D2009E until the end of March.
Until monday I'm just confused.

Thanks anyway.

:)
Kai Inge
Aage Johansen

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  Posted: Feb 28, 2015 1:43 PM   in response to: Kai Inge Buseth in response to: Kai Inge Buseth
On 26.02.2015 21:14, Kai Inge Buseth wrote:
Hello.

I do single development and need access to database tools, so I have
today bought the updated Devarts Unidac for D2009E,
since my previous version was from back in 2010.
Then I thought, why not take the full step, when I'm in the move anyway.
Have read a lot in ng's of slower compiler and about drowning in new
stuff that does Delphi harder to get productive,
with my knowledge level.
I'm now, for me, doing the biggest project ever, so perhaps I should
take the step now, but fear the time consuming consequences.
Perhaps the time needed for the project itself will have to be used to
master the new Delphi.
At the same time I'm afraid of getting outdated during the project.
With the new versions of Database Workbench and Firebird, the 2010
flavour of TUniConnection started
to complain about 'Unsupported metadata kind', thus the today's update.
Perhaps there is more to come in the near future, for my Delphi 2009.
So I'm in a pain here.

Any advice?
Thanks in advance.

Environment:
Win7
Delphi 2009E CodeGear™ RAD Studio 2009 Version 12.0.3420.21218
Copyright © 2009 Embarcadero Technologies, Inc.
madExcept 4.0.9
Character Set: UTF8
Raize components 6.1.2.0
UniDac components, like:
TInterbaseUniProvider->TUniConnection->TUniQuery->TDataSource->DBGrid.
Firebird 2.5.0.26074
Database Workbench 5 pro

:)
Kai Inge

I don't have much experience with products I don't use :-) - so this is
just what I do use:
Delphi XE7 Pro (moving up from XE2)
Firebird 2.5.3 (and other 2.5.x versions)
IBObjects
Since you are using Raize and UniDac it might be a good idea to continue
using stuff you already are familiar with (if you like them!).
I don't use the fancy UI components on the market, so the ones provided
with IBObjects have served me well (and I can almost always use the
slightly more advanced components rather than the TDataset compatible ones).
In place of DBW I just use IB_SQL (from IBObjects) and a text editor,
and sometimes FlameRobin. These are all free, but I expect DBW to be
more advanced in most/all respects.
I've used earlier version of the products for many years: Delphi from
1995 and IBO and Firebird from about 1998 (IIRC).

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Aage J.

Kai Inge Buseth

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  Posted: Mar 1, 2015 2:35 PM   in response to: Aage Johansen in response to: Aage Johansen
Thank you all for answering.

Now I have got something to think about.
I have to decide before the end of March it seems.

Another matter; my XanaNews has a lot of trouble with error 61 socket
connection refused.
Is it just me or does others bother with this?

:)
Kai Inge
John Treder

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  Posted: Mar 1, 2015 5:59 PM   in response to: Kai Inge Buseth in response to: Kai Inge Buseth
Kai Inge Buseth wrote:

Thank you all for answering.

Now I have got something to think about.
I have to decide before the end of March it seems.

Another matter; my XanaNews has a lot of trouble with error 61 socket
connection refused.
Is it just me or does others bother with this?

:)
Kai Inge

Everybody I know! (Includes me, myself and I.)

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Markus Humm

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  Posted: Mar 2, 2015 11:20 AM   in response to: Kai Inge Buseth in response to: Kai Inge Buseth
Am 01.03.2015 um 23:35 schrieb Kai Inge Buseth:
Thank you all for answering.

Now I have got something to think about.
I have to decide before the end of March it seems.

Another matter; my XanaNews has a lot of trouble with error 61 socket
connection refused.
Is it just me or does others bother with this?

:)
Kai Inge

YXep, forums are quite unstable currently, but I heared that EMBT
already took meassures to imprive that but I fear they will take further
time until that can be rolled out.

Greetings

Markus
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