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Thread: In a few days, Delphi turns 20....



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Todd Frankson

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  Posted: Feb 11, 2015 5:22 AM
Feb 14, 1995 was the official release date of Delphi 1.

I personally didn't start using Delphi until version 2 came out in 1996.

Any others here realize that it's been 20 years?
Mason Wheeler

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  Posted: Feb 11, 2015 6:12 AM   in response to: Todd Frankson in response to: Todd Frankson
Todd Frankson wrote:
Feb 14, 1995 was the official release date of Delphi 1.

I personally didn't start using Delphi until version 2 came out in 1996.

Any others here realize that it's been 20 years?

Wow. That kinda takes me back...
Angus Johnson

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  Posted: Feb 11, 2015 12:56 PM   in response to: Mason Wheeler in response to: Mason Wheeler
On 12/02/2015 1:12 AM, Mason Wheeler wrote:
Todd Frankson wrote:
Feb 14, 1995 was the official release date of Delphi 1.

I personally didn't start using Delphi until version 2 came out in 1996.

Any others here realize that it's been 20 years?

Wow. That kinda takes me back...

Yes, I remember trying to transition from Clipper (the hugely popular
DOS programming language) to Visual Objects, Nantucket's abysmal attempt
at Clipper for Windows. Then Delphi 1 appeared on the scene to rave
reviews and it really was a pleasure to swap over to Delphi from VO.
Delphi was simple and powerful, much like Clipper (Summer'87) had been
before it got somewhat polluted in its later versions.
Bruce McGee

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  Posted: Feb 11, 2015 2:50 PM   in response to: Angus Johnson in response to: Angus Johnson
Angus Johnson wrote:

Yes, I remember trying to transition from Clipper (the hugely popular
DOS programming language) to Visual Objects, Nantucket's abysmal
attempt at Clipper for Windows. Then Delphi 1 appeared on the scene
to rave reviews and it really was a pleasure to swap over to Delphi
from VO. Delphi was simple and powerful, much like Clipper
(Summer'87) had been before it got somewhat polluted in its later
versions.

I followed the Clipper route, too. I was looking forward to Aspen
before Nantucket was bought by CA and it became CO.

I was working with Clipper (5.2), PowerBuilder, ToolBook, Oracle's
Designer 2000 (never again) and a little IconAuthor and SQLWindows when
a friend introduced me to Delphi 1. It's been my first choice for
development tool ever since.

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Mike Margerum

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  Posted: Feb 11, 2015 4:05 PM   in response to: Angus Johnson in response to: Angus Johnson
Yes, I remember trying to transition from Clipper (the hugely popular
DOS programming language) to Visual Objects, Nantucket's abysmal attempt
at Clipper for Windows. Then Delphi 1 appeared on the scene to rave
reviews and it really was a pleasure to swap over to Delphi from VO.
Delphi was simple and powerful, much like Clipper (Summer'87) had been
before it got somewhat polluted in its later versions.

Same exact history here for me. I was looking for a Clipper replacement
and stumbled upon Delphi 1. Been using it ever since.
Nick Hodges

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  Posted: Feb 11, 2015 6:25 AM   in response to: Todd Frankson in response to: Todd Frankson
Todd Frankson wrote:

Any others here realize that it's been 20 years?

http://community.embarcadero.com/index.php/article/news/1107-delphiweek2015?cid=701G0000000WLhl

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Graham Stratford

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  Posted: Feb 11, 2015 7:24 AM   in response to: Todd Frankson in response to: Todd Frankson
Todd Frankson wrote:
Feb 14, 1995 was the official release date of Delphi 1.

I bought it a few months after release, upon reading a review in Byte that declared (if my memory can be trusted), "this is Visual Basic as you dreamed it could be!".
Dalija Prasnikar

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  Posted: Feb 11, 2015 7:24 AM   in response to: Todd Frankson in response to: Todd Frankson
Todd Frankson wrote:
Feb 14, 1995 was the official release date of Delphi 1.

I personally didn't start using Delphi until version 2 came out in 1996.

Any others here realize that it's been 20 years?

I came aboard with Delphi 4, but have been using TP since high school...

I do hope Delphi will not start drinking next year ;-)

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Olivier Sannier

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  Posted: Feb 11, 2015 8:03 AM   in response to: Dalija Prasnikar in response to: Dalija Prasnikar
Dalija Prasnikar wrote:
Todd Frankson wrote:
Feb 14, 1995 was the official release date of Delphi 1.

I personally didn't start using Delphi until version 2 came out in 1996.

Any others here realize that it's been 20 years?

I came aboard with Delphi 4, but have been using TP since high school...

I do hope Delphi will not start drinking next year ;-)

Don't worry, it has started years ago and is now quite used to it :-P
Dalija Prasnikar

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  Posted: Feb 12, 2015 1:10 AM   in response to: Olivier Sannier in response to: Olivier Sannier
Olivier Sannier wrote:
Dalija Prasnikar wrote:
Todd Frankson wrote:
Feb 14, 1995 was the official release date of Delphi 1.

I personally didn't start using Delphi until version 2 came out in 1996.

Any others here realize that it's been 20 years?

I came aboard with Delphi 4, but have been using TP since high school...

I do hope Delphi will not start drinking next year ;-)

Don't worry, it has started years ago and is now quite used to it :-P

That explains a lot ;-)

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Bruce McGee

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  Posted: Feb 11, 2015 2:06 PM   in response to: Dalija Prasnikar in response to: Dalija Prasnikar
Dalija Prasnikar wrote:

I do hope Delphi will not start drinking next year ;-)

The drinking age in Canada is 19 (18 in Quebec).

It's done Delphi a world of good. :)

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Dalija Prasnikar

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  Posted: Feb 12, 2015 1:10 AM   in response to: Bruce McGee in response to: Bruce McGee
Bruce McGee wrote:
Dalija Prasnikar wrote:

I do hope Delphi will not start drinking next year ;-)

The drinking age in Canada is 19 (18 in Quebec).

18 in Croatia

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Quentin Correll


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  Posted: Feb 11, 2015 9:13 AM   in response to: Todd Frankson in response to: Todd Frankson
Todd,

| Any others here realize that it's been 20 years?

Yes. I started using it then.

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Linden ROTH

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  Posted: Feb 11, 2015 1:41 PM   in response to: Quentin Correll in response to: Quentin Correll
Quentin Correll wrote:
Todd,

| Any others here realize that it's been 20 years?

Yes. I started using it then.

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Q

For me its back to the future ... I moved over from TPW 1.5 to Delphi 1 (In fact with Borlands permission we shipped product developed in the 2nd last BETA "Wasabi" from memory :) ) - started with Turbo Pascal 2.0 in 1982 - WOW 33 YEARS Commercial Pascal Development !!!!!!!!!!

And now I'm doing some API stuff that needs to be done with standard WINDOWS RC files (no RC_DATA) so have to remember how to do Windows Message Loop Dialogs again :(


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Quentin Correll


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  Posted: Feb 11, 2015 4:57 PM   in response to: Linden ROTH in response to: Linden ROTH
Linden,

Cool!

I started with TP 1.0 CP/M. <g>

We're a couple ol'timers!

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Kim Madsen

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  Posted: Feb 13, 2015 6:15 AM   in response to: Linden ROTH in response to: Linden ROTH
Den 2/11/2015 kl. 22:42 skrev Linden ROTH:
Quentin Correll wrote:
Todd,

| Any others here realize that it's been 20 years?

Yes. I started using it then.

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Q

For me its back to the future ... I moved over from TPW 1.5 to Delphi 1 (In fact with Borlands permission we shipped product developed in the 2nd last BETA "Wasabi" from memory :) ) - started with Turbo Pascal 2.0 in 1982 - WOW 33 YEARS Commercial Pascal Development !!!!!!!!!!

And now I'm doing some API stuff that needs to be done with standard WINDOWS RC files (no RC_DATA) so have to remember how to do Windows Message Loop Dialogs again :(


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Linden
"Mango" was Cool but "Wasabi" was Hotter but remember it's all in the "source"


I seem to remember the first "Delphi" I got to beta was called AppBuilder.

I was very pleased to get to know about AppBuilder back then, but got
very surprised (and pretty annoyed) when it turned out to be Pascal
based. I very much expected it to build on Turbo C v2. and I was very
heavily in C development then on various platforms including Unix,
Windows etc, and tought C classes and Unix kernel development on all
levels. Even dabbled with C++ then (preprocessors generating C code).

I didnt much care for Pascal then... was working a bit in TP5, but it
never really got me attracted.

However I bit the bullit and learned AppBuilder (soon to be Delphi 1)
and I have never looked back since. C++ has continued to evolve to be
more and more ugly, error prone, developer unfriendly and in general
just a real PITA to use imo.

And the one pass compiler of Delphi is simply unsurpassed in compile
speed since then which imo is more important during development than
extreme optimization.

Still today, on high end equipment, making a change in a single file in
a C++ project often results in having to recompile vast parts of the
whole projects, taking minutes.

In Delphi, it is so much easier... change something, click run and max
10 seconds later your app is runing with the correction compiled in (at
least on Win32/Win64).

Been working with C#, Java, Javascript, C++ (and even VB... cough cough)
heavily over the last 15-20 years, in addition to Delphi, I can safely
say that the most productive environment in general really is Delphi.
Only when you have very special requirements (like needing to use
specific 3rdparty libraries only existing for Java/C++/.Net (like
ASP.Net) ), or requiring vast multiplatform support, other options than
Delphi may be better for the job.

So 20 years after first flight of Delphi, the competition have still not
really fully catched up, when the developer have the full freedom of
choise of development tool.

best regards
Kim Madsen
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Quentin Correll


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Kim,

| I was very pleased to get to know about AppBuilder back then, but got
| very surprised (and pretty annoyed) when it turned out to be Pascal
| based.

And I was pretty pleased it was Pascal based! <g> I HATED C. (Still
do. ;-)

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Kim Madsen

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  Posted: Feb 13, 2015 9:10 AM   in response to: Quentin Correll in response to: Quentin Correll
Den 2/13/2015 kl. 17:17 skrev Quentin Correll:
Kim,

| I was very pleased to get to know about AppBuilder back then, but got
| very surprised (and pretty annoyed) when it turned out to be Pascal
| based.

And I was pretty pleased it was Pascal based! <g> I HATED C. (Still
do. ;-)


In my opinion, pure C is almost a piece of art.
7 basic datatypes, 21 keywords (in addition to the datatypes) and 27
simple operators and a simple block scope based free style syntax and
you have a complete language in which everything could be expressed.

What make it both extremely powerful but also complex to read and
understand is the use and misuse of include files (header files), and
the preprocessor.

Unfortunately C++ and its numerous extensions have poluted the beauty of
simplicity, since day one.

First by introducing a preprocessor that output C and header files with
lots of autogenerated macros that then was preprocessed by the regular C
preprocessor, before compiling the C to assembler and assembling that to
object files that finally could be linked.

After then by introducing various shortcuts and "ways around" stuff,
providing multiple ways to describe or declare a simple statement, with
imo the sole purpose of allowing the compiler to be a bit better in
optimizing some code.

For example constructor initialization declaration of fields.

And references (which in principle is good, but in practice is a mess
because they do not really solve any problems as one have to mix
inbetween handling a variable by reference and by pointer in various
situations, which just confuses things instead of making them simpler).

Debugging C++ programs in those days where a nightmare, becuase the
actual exception never referred to a C++ line, but instead to an
autogenerated C line of code which often actually was generated on basis
of a number of macros. And today its still not totally easy, as macros
combined with templates basically scrambles code to be less than human
readable.

NB: Here is a typeup of the history of C:
http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/dmr/chist.html

best regards
Kim Madsen
C4D
Mike Margerum

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NB: Here is a typeup of the history of C:
http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/dmr/chist.html

best regards
Kim Madsen
C4D

Kim if you admire the beautiful simplicity of C you really need to have
a look at GO. Created by a few Unix titans. I literally learned it in
a day.

I'm working on a piece of HTTP middleware in it as we speak. The GO
standard library is so rich, i've only had to pull one dependency in
(Gorilla MUX) for routing.
Jim Fleming

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"Quentin Correll" <qcorrell at pacNObell dot net> escribió en el mensaje
news:714215 at forums dot embarcadero dot com...
Kim,

| I was very pleased to get to know about AppBuilder back then, but got
| very surprised (and pretty annoyed) when it turned out to be Pascal
| based.

And I was pretty pleased it was Pascal based! <g> I HATED C. (Still do.
;-)

Me too,

With a vengeance !!!
Rael Bauer

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  Posted: Feb 17, 2015 6:51 AM   in response to: Kim Madsen in response to: Kim Madsen
On 2015/02/13 04:15 PM, Kim Madsen wrote:
Been working with C#, Java, Javascript, C++ (and even VB... cough cough)
heavily over the last 15-20 years, in addition to Delphi, I can safely
say that the most productive environment in general really is Delphi.

For what kind of projects were you using c# and java (i.e. I am
presuming they were more suitable than Delphi)?
Kim Madsen

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  Posted: Feb 17, 2015 3:46 PM   in response to: Rael Bauer in response to: Rael Bauer
Den 2/17/2015 kl. 15:51 skrev Rael Bauer:
On 2015/02/13 04:15 PM, Kim Madsen wrote:
Been working with C#, Java, Javascript, C++ (and even VB... cough cough)
heavily over the last 15-20 years, in addition to Delphi, I can safely
say that the most productive environment in general really is Delphi.

For what kind of projects were you using c# and java (i.e. I am
presuming they were more suitable than Delphi)?

C# for various projects, including web based ASP.Net, client/server
apps, winforms tools. Project developer team size wise ranging from 1
developer to approx 50 developers. One system is a large one used for
ticketing, checkin and luggage registration and handling in large
airline. Others for various other industries, some for internal use,
some for public use like booking systems etc.

Java for RMI based client applet and server, J2EE, Siemens mainframe
integration using JBuilder, Eclipse, IntelliJ (best Java editor ever!).
Project team sizes from 1 developer to more than 300 developers.
Projects ranging from near realtime transit inflight nformation, tools,
and very large pension systems with mainframe integration.

So the question is, could Delphi have been used instead?

From political viewpoints, no... Delphi wouldnt have had a chance
although C++Builder got accepted for other central airline systems I
developed.

From techincal viewpoint, at the time, no... Delphi's web potentials
were not really stellar.
And today the Delphi web development methods (including my own kbmMW) is
not mainstream, why its easier to get hold of ASP.Net and JSP/servlet
developers. However I would still argue that a well crafted Delphi web
application (which the C++Builder airline ones were) can perform
stellar, with 24x7 up time and (3rdparty Javascript libraries aside) be
just as easy to develop.
And for non web applications, like client/server or semifat n-tier
applications, Delphi (with kbmMW or similar technology) is much easier
to develop strong 24x7 n-tier apps.

.Net really doesnt imo excels in n-tier outside ASP.Net and Javas
blackbox gluing (select 4-10 different blackbox libs and glue them
together) is inferiour and errorprone except for expert developers who
have to learn the inners of all 4-10 blackboxes to use them correctly
and well.

best regards
Kim Madsen
C4D
Aage Johansen

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On 11.02.2015 14:22, Todd Frankson wrote:
Feb 14, 1995 was the official release date of Delphi 1.

I personally didn't start using Delphi until version 2 came out in 1996.

Any others here realize that it's been 20 years?

Delphi/1 saved me from Powerbuilder in 1995 !

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Tony Bryer

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  Posted: Feb 11, 2015 3:08 PM   in response to: Todd Frankson in response to: Todd Frankson
In article <713821 at forums dot embarcadero dot com>, Todd Frankson wrote:
Feb 14, 1995 was the official release date of Delphi 1.

I personally didn't start using Delphi until version 2 came out in 1996.


Any others here realize that it's been 20 years?

I'd been a TP user. Went to Software Development East 1995 (was living in
the UK at the time) for Neil Rubenking's two-day Delphi crash course and
life was never quite the same again. Still making a good living off my
Delphi apps twenty years on.

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Gilbert Padilla

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  Posted: Feb 11, 2015 6:01 PM   in response to: Todd Frankson in response to: Todd Frankson
Any others here realize that it's been 20 years?

Did Delphi evolved from Arago DBase or from TPW and Phase3 ?

Linden ROTH

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  Posted: Feb 11, 2015 8:47 PM   in response to: Gilbert Padilla in response to: Gilbert Padilla
Gilbert Padilla wrote:
Any others here realize that it's been 20 years?

Did Delphi evolved from Arago DBase or from TPW and Phase3 ?


Afaik - TPW - used Dephi forms 1.0 (Mdi Child forms and dialogs) in a TPW 1.5 MDI app

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Gilbert Padilla

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Afaik - TPW - used Dephi forms 1.0 (Mdi Child forms and dialogs) in a TPW
1.5 MDI app

The boilerplate - OWL and Turbo Vision made the transition to TPW but it
looked a lot like Arago Quick Silver
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  Posted: Feb 12, 2015 1:17 AM   in response to: Todd Frankson in response to: Todd Frankson
Todd Frankson wrote:
Feb 14, 1995 was the official release date of Delphi 1.

I personally didn't start using Delphi until version 2 came out in 1996.

Any others here realize that it's been 20 years?

Oh yay! Started with TP and then I migrated to Delphi Standard 1..
Andy Vines

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  Posted: Feb 12, 2015 1:55 AM   in response to: Edmund Wong in response to: Edmund Wong
Edmund Wong wrote:
Todd Frankson wrote:
Feb 14, 1995 was the official release date of Delphi 1.

I personally didn't start using Delphi until version 2 came out in 1996.

Any others here realize that it's been 20 years?

Oh yay! Started with TP and then I migrated to Delphi Standard 1..

I started with Ashton Tate DBase IV for Dos, Moved to Visual Dbase for Windows then jumped onto Delphi 1, did versions 1 to 7 and then XE4, unfortunately I think XE4 is where I will stay for a while.
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  Posted: Feb 12, 2015 2:12 AM   in response to: Todd Frankson in response to: Todd Frankson
Todd Frankson wrote:

Feb 14, 1995 was the official release date of Delphi 1.

I personally didn't start using Delphi until version 2 came out in
1996.

Any others here realize that it's been 20 years?

I used TP5.5 at that point, saw VB1 and was just waiting for "Visual
Pascal" to be released. Bought it right away.
Eduardo Elias

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  Posted: Feb 12, 2015 6:39 AM   in response to: Todd Frankson in response to: Todd Frankson
Delphi was a turning point for my career as small software shop many times.

Actually, BP 6 with objects and Turbo Vision was my original good start.
When I finally got my own package (I was using a customer license of bp6)
it came with a strane alien together: Delphi 1.0

That was strange... since on my area, related to POS, at that time, computer
running DOS and Monochrome Displays where all you need. Developing a software
with windows where just.... weird.

And we have find a way to turn Turbo Vision in multi user windows envirment
using rs232 monitors. So we could use a 386 with DOS connecting many of these
terminals.

Funny that even IBM came to see the solution. Since it was 99,99% cheaper
than their solutions for the same target....

At some point I have started making the first application with it. And it
lasted to Delphi 6 where I got stuck for many years.

Now with a new development in XE7 (started on XE5) I am again having the
chance to make a totally new product that will help me in many ways.

20 years was a lot of coding... Delphi only helped me all this time. Great
partner.

Feb 14, 1995 was the official release date of Delphi 1.

I personally didn't start using Delphi until version 2 came out in
1996.

Any others here realize that it's been 20 years?
Clement Doss

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  Posted: Feb 12, 2015 7:30 AM   in response to: Todd Frankson in response to: Todd Frankson
Todd Frankson wrote:
Feb 14, 1995 was the official release date of Delphi 1.

I personally didn't start using Delphi until version 2 came out in 1996.

Any others here realize that it's been 20 years?

I also begun my Delphi crusade with version 2.
I used Turbo Pascal (high school and college) and Turbo C++ (in college)
I kept some college projects in 720kb disks!
There's a pascal compiler I wrote in C++ and a game I wrote using BGI graphic library :)

Clément

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  Posted: Feb 12, 2015 7:31 AM   in response to: Todd Frankson in response to: Todd Frankson
Todd Frankson wrote:

I personally didn't start using Delphi until version 2 came out in
1996.

I started with TP 3.0. Actually, I was using MS FORTRAN and needed a
user interface, so I tried both MS QuickBasic and TP. I liked both of
them, but the structure of TP won me over. Instead of building a UI
with TP and hooking it to a FORTRAN calculation program with a batch
file, I said what the heck, let's see if TP can do the calculations.
And that was that. When I needed to move to Windows, Delphi 3 was
current, so that's how I got here.

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Christopher Burke

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  Posted: Feb 12, 2015 7:46 AM   in response to: Todd Frankson in response to: Todd Frankson
Todd Frankson <> wrote in news:713821 at forums dot embarcadero dot com:

Any others here realize that it's been 20 years?

Yeah, made a post in here a few weeks back on the topic.

I'm been using it for just over 20 years myself :)
Brian Hamilton ...

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  Posted: Feb 13, 2015 11:41 AM   in response to: Christopher Burke in response to: Christopher Burke
played around with Delphi 1 and Turbo Pascal before that but it was Delphi 5 that I started serious programming with :)
Miroslaw Rogula

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  Posted: Feb 14, 2015 2:09 AM   in response to: Todd Frankson in response to: Todd Frankson
I Start using Pascal with version 3 But first commercial product was done with version 5. Then was Borland Pascal 6. Delphi 1 it was my first Delphi. I have manuals till now. But seriuos comercial product was done on version 3. But I remember that Delphi 1 made a good impression on me. It was huge step compared to Borland Pascal 6. Now I use Delphi XE6.

Mirosław Rogula
Ralf Stocker

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I remember those days. We have had such a DOS program ...Win3.1... really
ugly! There I installed Delphi 1. I clicked around a bit and then went back
to Borland Pascal 7.0 with DPMI again :-)
David Schwartz

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I had been programming in Borland C++ for a while (after developing my chops with Turbo C++), and avoided Windows like the plague. I was doing embedded stuff, and I think Borland C++ 4.0 was the current version in 1995.

I'd attended several Software Development conferences in the 90's, and I was at that one in 1995 when they introduced Delphi. They gave everybody a free disk with Delphi on it, and I took it home and started playing with it.

I'd messed with VB for DOS, which was character-based, as well as TurboVision for C++, which was a PITA because there was no visual page designer for it.

ObjectVision was interesting, but really slow and it didn't seem very useful for general stuff.

I intended to spend an hour or so messing with Delphi, and about 6 hours later I realized this was an amazing tool.

Somebody came to me later in the week and asked if I could build a simple Windows app for them. While I hadn't done a single Win app to that point in time, I used it as an opportunity to learn Delphi more and agreed. It was amazingly easy! The client was happy, and I was thrilled to be able to build Win apps without having to deal with that stinking MFC oil slick that Microsoft put over the Windows API to call it "object-oriented". What a crock!

What amazed me the most about Dephi was that it effectively hid the entire Windows message loop, so you no longer had to worry about it. You simply dropped things on a form, set properties in the property editor, and flipped to the Events tab and double-clicked on an event to create an event handler. WOW! It even generated the prototype for the procedure for you!

With MFC, you had to define three or four different things in order to add a single event handler into the message loop. If you missed anything, you could get a successful compile but then it would barf when you tried to run it.

Every time MS introduced a new version of Windows, the APIs would change, and my collegues who did MFC-based Win app development started screaming because they had to spend weeks and weeks updating everything. With Delphi ... nothing needed to change! OMG, what a godsend!

I knew so many Win dev consultants who went bankrupt following MS down their lilly path that just kept costing them huge amounts of wasted time....

I was able to find far more Delphi work than I could possibly do, up until about 2002 or so, then things started to go downhill. Jobs started to get scarce, as companies were shifting over to C# / .NET while Borland was moving up-scale to focus on the needs of large corporations (anybody remember ALM?) who were inevitably all being seduced by Microsoft on the programming tools side.

Today I believe Dephi is STILL the fastest, most efficient sw dev platform and environment on the market. The problem is, that's not translating into market share.

Companies go through all kinds of gyrations to hire highly productive developers, then give them so-so tools to use.

It's very sad.

-David
Madt Mallinckrodt

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  Posted: Feb 19, 2015 9:00 AM   in response to: Todd Frankson in response to: Todd Frankson
Feb 14, 1995 was the official release date of Delphi 1.
Any others here realize that it's been 20 years?

Since D2. Has been a big part of my life.
Kai Inge Buseth

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  Posted: Mar 23, 2015 12:33 PM   in response to: Todd Frankson in response to: Todd Frankson
Todd Frankson wrote:

Feb 14, 1995 was the official release date of Delphi 1.

I personally didn't start using Delphi until version 2 came out in
1996.

Any others here realize that it's been 20 years?

Starting out with Ashton Tate dBase III, III+ and IV, after some
experimenting with
Commodore 64 and Basic, I did some DOS programs. An acquaintance showed
me a (Cracked!) version of Delphi 1 in the late 90's. There it was: The
Button!
One of my DOS customer wanted me to make him buttons to control his
DOS program and I now realized that Delphi could be my rescue.

I refused to get a qopy of the acquaintance's Delphi, but at the time
Delphi 3 was arrived and I bought
that one. So after a pretty though learning curve, where I knew nothing
about procedures,
I made a whole project based on internal buttons in a dedicated form
instead of procedures,
using the button.click command. (That command was not very well known
at the time.)
And the DOS customer mentioned above, became my very first Windows
customer.
Then the internal buttons was replaced by real procedures and bit by
bit I learned some Pasqal
with the learning by doing approach.

For years Delphi 3 and the BDE with the native dBase was used,
struggling with broken indexes
and corrupted database metadata and data.
One of my customers had a welding machine in the same room as his PC.
After one sparkle made, one or more indexes was corrupted. Each and
every time.

Then I bought Delphi 6 and if I'm not wrong I bought Delphi 8? (There
was an 8?)
None of them was used because I was lost in the new concepts with dot
net and so on.
Then I bought Delphi 2009 Enterprise, that I have used since.
Now I bought XE 7 Enterprise last week, but got some difficulties as
the site promised the
upgrade to be for any older versions of Delphi until the end of March
2015.
The licence that followed it, was for XE3 and above so I got stucked.

Embarcadero is on the case, so hopefully I will soon be able to share
the modern Delphi times with you guys (and girls).
I really look forward to that, as Delphi will follow me into my
retirement - and beyond!

:)
Kai Inge
uwe roessger

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  Posted: Mar 30, 2015 4:53 AM   in response to: Todd Frankson in response to: Todd Frankson
Todd Frankson wrote:
Feb 14, 1995 was the official release date of Delphi 1.

I personally didn't start using Delphi until version 2 came out in 1996.

Any others here realize that it's been 20 years?

Last Week i wrote since a Long time "Hello Word" with Field Test BETA 1 from Nov. 1994 on my Macbook Pro (in XP VM), very fast compling!
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