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To Embarcadero company,

We are developer of Delphi/C++ Builder in china, but the price is more expensive than before, and in china we just can buy architect edition, not any professional or other edition can be selected. we heard the price is up to 68,000RMB.

By internet, we know the price just $3000~4000 in other countries, so we want to know why the price is so high in china?
Though our country is so big, but it is just in development stage, and lots of companies are small, cannot afford such high price, so they tend to select some cheap development tools, such as c#, java and so on.

we heard the APEC have decided to reduce the tariff of software, it means RAD Studio will reduce price? And we wish that we can buy cheap Enterprise Edition or just DELPHI not include C++

Here are some tips for RAD Studio, we wish Architect Edition can reduce to 30000RMB, although it still more expensive than other countries, lots of companies can afford.

For DELPHI can get big development, we wish your company can consider this suggestion, and we hope your company also can supply free edition to university for education.

Your reply will be higly appreciated!

Chinese Delphi developer,


致 Embarcadero 公司:
我们是中国大陆开发人员。这几年 RAD Studio 越卖越贵。而且还只有架构师版可以选择。去年听说已经到了 68,000 人民币了。
据说 你们那里的价格才 3000 到 4000 美元。请问,我们中国大陆就不能和大家价格差不多吗?
我们中国虽然是大国,但那是人口大国,我们经济还是发展中国家。我们这里的开发公司都是小公司,没有能力购买那么贵的开发工具。很多时候,老板们都会选择便宜的 C#,甚至选择免费的 JAVA 。这让我们这些做 DLEPHI 开发的人员无所适从。
最近 APEC 开会做了决定,要降低软件的关税。是不是 RAD Studio 可以降价了?而且我们也希望可以买较为便宜的 Enterprise Edition,或者只购买 DELPHI ,不购买 C++。
Architect Edition 我们希望能降到 人民币 30,000 左右,这个价格相比你们那里,还是很贵了。但是很多公司表示,这个价格可以接受。
为了 DELPHI 能有更好的发展,希望贵公司考虑我们的这个提议。
另外,希望贵公司能给我们的大学提供免费的教育用版本。

谢谢!

一个中国开发人员

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  Posted: Nov 20, 2014 11:42 PM   in response to: xe5up1super03 x... in response to: xe5up1super03 x...
Another english version.

To Embarcadero company,
We are the designers from China and we’d like to say something about the price of the software.
Firstly, the price of RAD Studio is becoming more and more expensive, furthermore, there’s only the Edition of Architect. The cost has reached RMB 68,000 last year whereas yours was US$3,000-4000.
Secondly, In China, most of the designing company are in the initial stage and in middle-small size that we can afford the cost . Most of the time, we just choose the cheaper tools, such as C# or JAVA, which put us who majored in DELPHI in a position of predicament.
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xe5up1super03 xe5up1super03 wrote:
Another english version.

To Embarcadero company,
We are the designers from China and we’d like to say something about the price of the software.
Firstly, the price of RAD Studio is becoming more and more expensive, furthermore, there’s only the Edition of Architect. The cost has reached RMB 68,000 last year whereas yours was US$3,000-4000.
Secondly, In China, most of the designing company are in the initial stage and in middle-small size that we can afford the cost . Most of the time, we just choose the cheaper tools, such as C# or JAVA, which put us who majored in DELPHI in a position of predicament.


顶起!

Loren Pechtel

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On Thu, 20 Nov 2014 23:42:47 -0800, xe5up1super03 xe5up1super03 <>
wrote:

Another english version.

To Embarcadero company,
We are the designers from China and we'd like to say something about the price of the software.
Firstly, the price of RAD Studio is becoming more and more expensive, furthermore, there's only the Edition of Architect. The cost has reached RMB 68,000 last year whereas yours was US$3,000-4000.
Secondly, In China, most of the designing company are in the initial stage and in middle-small size that we can afford the cost . Most of the time, we just choose the cheaper tools, such as C# or JAVA, which put us who majored in DELPHI in a position of predicament.

Just to add--he's saying it's over $10,000 over there.

The reason is probably import duties. China deliberately makes
imports expensive.
wang wang

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  Posted: Nov 21, 2014 6:35 PM   in response to: Loren Pechtel in response to: Loren Pechtel
Loren Pechtel wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2014 23:42:47 -0800, xe5up1super03 xe5up1super03 <>
wrote:

Another english version.

To Embarcadero company,
We are the designers from China and we'd like to say something about the price of the software.
Firstly, the price of RAD Studio is becoming more and more expensive, furthermore, there's only the Edition of Architect. The cost has reached RMB 68,000 last year whereas yours was US$3,000-4000.
Secondly, In China, most of the designing company are in the initial stage and in middle-small size that we can afford the cost . Most of the time, we just choose the cheaper tools, such as C# or JAVA, which put us who majored in DELPHI in a position of predicament.

Just to add--he's saying it's over $10,000 over there.

The reason is probably import duties. China deliberately makes
imports expensive.

chian software import tariff is generally 0
Graeme Geldenhuys

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  Posted: Nov 23, 2014 8:33 AM   in response to: Loren Pechtel in response to: Loren Pechtel
On 2014-11-21 21:13, Loren Pechtel wrote:
The reason is probably import duties.

Import duties???? What, on internet downloads? Yeah right!

Regards,
- Graeme -

Markus Humm

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  Posted: Nov 23, 2014 9:15 AM   in response to: Graeme Geldenhuys in response to: Graeme Geldenhuys
Am 23.11.2014 17:33, schrieb Graeme Geldenhuys:
On 2014-11-21 21:13, Loren Pechtel wrote:
The reason is probably import duties.

Import duties???? What, on internet downloads? Yeah right!

Regards,
- Graeme -


Hello,

hm, if I'm not mistaken some colleagues of mine told me some years ago
that they would need to smuggle my software (wasn't available as
download back then, only on physical CD) into Russia to get them there.
And my software is not being sold in most cases but given to the
customer for free. Customs regulations is a complex matter.

Another colleague (we're in Germany) once got something sent from the
Suisse university has making his doctor grade on. When he opened it he
found a paper in it telling him that the customs regulations had not
been properly followed. But it wasn't his fault. It was the fault of the
sender. So the customs thought that he should inform the sender about
that fact to avoid further violations on their part?! Geez, they
just wanted to save on postage!

Greetings

Markus
Adem Meda

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  Posted: Nov 23, 2014 1:00 PM   in response to: Graeme Geldenhuys in response to: Graeme Geldenhuys
Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:

On 2014-11-21 21:13, Loren Pechtel wrote:
The reason is probably import duties.

Import duties???? What, on internet downloads? Yeah right!

When applied sensibly, the purpose of import duties is to protect (or
incentivise) local people/manufacturers/sectors.

The fact that software downloaded from (or purchased over) the Internet hasn't
been taxed is an anomaly which I am sure every trasurer of every country has
been doing their level best to correct.
Steve Thackery

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Adem Meda wrote:

The fact that software downloaded from (or purchased over) the
Internet hasn't been taxed is an anomaly which I am sure every
trasurer of every country has been doing their level best to correct.

It often is taxed. I've bought software via download here in the UK
and paid VAT on it.

--
SteveT
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Steve Thackery wrote:

Adem Meda wrote:

The fact that software downloaded from (or purchased over) the
Internet hasn't been taxed is an anomaly which I am sure every
trasurer of every country has been doing their level best to correct.

It often is taxed. I've bought software via download here in the UK
and paid VAT on it.

Keyword is 'often' which used to be 'rarely, if ever'. This was fine for
individuals, but was a headache for companies: How do you pay for and show in
your accounts an 'intangible' that has not been declared to the customs when it
has simply downloaded over the Net?

The most practical way around it was to find a seller that would let you
download the thing AND send you a box containing CD/DVD so that it goes through
customs.

This alone kept tha local distributors alive, doing absolute nothing but
charging exhorbitant prices to local (captured audience) companies. Quite a
lucrative business.

I am almost sure the same thing happens in China that the local distributor is
someone close to the regime. With that kind of virtual monopoly, they can sell
the thing for any price they want.

I am sure EMB is happy more than about it all too as it appears to be
"'standard industry practice', wherein foreign companies make double the profit
[per product] they sell [abroad]'.

http://knowledge.ckgsb.edu.cn/2014/04/02/marketing/tesla-in-china-elon-musks-litmus-test/

See also:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-23/tesla-to-sell-model-s-sedan-in-china-from-121-000.html

Where Elon Musk lets the cat out of the bag; but, naturally, didn't cause a
scandal.
Tony Bryer

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  Posted: Nov 23, 2014 6:45 PM   in response to: Adem Meda in response to: Adem Meda
In article <703289 at forums dot embarcadero dot com>, Adem Meda wrote:
Keyword is 'often' which used to be 'rarely, if ever'. This was fine for
individuals, but was a headache for companies: How do you pay for and
show in your accounts an 'intangible' that has not been declared to the
customs when it has simply downloaded over the Net?

The most practical way around it was to find a seller that would let you
download the thing AND send you a box containing CD/DVD so that it goes
through customs.

That was the case but since 2003 the EC require those selling downloaded
products to register in an EC country of their choice if their EC sales
are over the threshold. IIRC it came about because of complaints for local
internet providers complaining that they had to charge VAT whilst AOL
didn't.

If you buy our products in the EC then you'll probably pay VAT since
you're actually buying from our payment processor (BlueSnap) not us. In
our case it doesn't really matter since our users are businesses who will
generally reclaim the tax, but if you're selling consumer software 20% is
significant.

--
Tony Bryer, Greentram Software Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia
'Software to build on' http://www.greentram.com
Adem Meda

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Tony Bryer wrote:

That was the case but since 2003 the EC require those selling downloaded
products to register in an EC country of their choice if their EC sales
are over the threshold. IIRC it came about because of complaints for local
internet providers complaining that they had to charge VAT whilst AOL
didn't.

This is mostly what every country has done or are doing and reflects the
typical thinking of the bureaucracies everywhere: give sellers (or
representatives thereof) monopoly power (within that market) and wishfully
expect them to behave responsibly.

What's worse, it adds another layer between the customer and producer which
serves to lift almost all the pressure to drop prices which would happen if
there were competition (for the same product within that very market).

IOW, it does not solve the underlying problem, it simply legitimizes the rip
off (as higlighted by the Chinese case, of which I am sure there are many more).

If you buy our products in the EC then you'll probably pay VAT since
you're actually buying from our payment processor (BlueSnap) not us. In
our case it doesn't really matter since our users are businesses who will
generally reclaim the tax, but if you're selling consumer software 20% is
significant.

Personally, I wouldn't mind paying VAT (plus some customs tax), but (as you've
pointed out above) there's no reason why I should trust the intermediary
(payment processor) to turn the tax I paid over to the state.

As a result, a better solution, IMO, would be something like PayPal (but set up
by the state) so that they get the tax part at the moment of order/payment.
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Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:

On 2014-11-21 21:13, Loren Pechtel wrote:
The reason is probably import duties.

Import duties???? What, on internet downloads? Yeah right!

Yeah, right!

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there."
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据说 有家叫 深圳市立诺软件公司 他们出售 Enterprise Edition 。价格是 38,800人民币。

It is said that home is called Shenzhen Ipromise software company, they sell Enterprise Edition. The price is 38800 RMB.

http://www.szipromise.com/
不知道,居然还有 企业版在卖。
不过,我觉得,企业版,也是太贵了。
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希望emb把价格降下来,确实我们c++ builder我们搞delphi开发的也不用到,价格降下来了,用户也就多起来了,双方收益  
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xe5up1super03 xe5up1super03 wrote:
To Embarcadero company,

We are developer of Delphi/C++ Builder in china, but the price is more expensive than before, and in china we just can buy architect edition, not any professional or other edition can be selected. we heard the price is up to 68,000RMB.

By internet, we know the price just $3000~4000 in other countries, so we want to know why the price is so high in china?
Though our country is so big, but it is just in development stage, and lots of companies are small, cannot afford such high price, so they tend to select some cheap development tools, such as c#, java and so on.

we heard the APEC have decided to reduce the tariff of software, it means RAD Studio will reduce price? And we wish that we can buy cheap Enterprise Editio or just DELPHI not include C++

Here are some tips for RAD Studio, we wish Architect Edition can reduce to 30000RMB, although it still more expensive than other countries, lots of companies can afford.

For DELPHI can get big development, we wish your company can consider this suggestion, and we hope your company also can supply free edition to university for education.

Your reply will be higly appreciated!

Chinese Delphi developer,


致 Embarcadero 公司:
我们是中国大陆开发人员。这几年 RAD Studio 越卖越贵。而且还只有架构师版可以选择。去年听说已经到了 68,000 人民币了。
据说 你们那里的价格才 3000 到 4000 美元。请问,我们中国大陆就不能和大家价格差不多吗?
我们中国虽然是大国,但那是人口大国,我们经济还是发展中国家。我们这里的开发公司都是小公司,没有能力购买那么贵的开发工具。很多时候,老板们都会选择便宜的 C#,甚至选择免费的 JAVA 。这让我们这些做 DLEPHI 开发的人员无所适从。
最近 APEC 开会做了决定,要降低软件的关税。是不是 RAD Studio 可以降价了?而且我们也希望可以买较为便宜的 Enterprise Edition,或者只购买 DELPHI ,不购买 C++。
Architect Edition 我们希望能降到 人民币 30,000 左右,这个价格相比你们那里,还是很贵了。但是很多公司表示,这个价格可以接受。
为了 DELPHI 能有更好的发展,希望贵公司考虑我们的这个提议。
另外,希望贵公司能给我们的大学提供免费的教育用版本。

谢谢!

一个中国开发人员

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沙发
xe5up1super03 xe5up1super03 wrote:
To Embarcadero company,

We are developer of Delphi/C++ Builder in china, but the price is more expensive than before, and in china we just can buy architect edition, not any professional or other edition can be selected. we heard the price is up to 68,000RMB.

By internet, we know the price just $3000~4000 in other countries, so we want to know why the price is so high in china?
Though our country is so big, but it is just in development stage, and lots of companies are small, cannot afford such high price, so they tend to select some cheap development tools, such as c#, java and so on.

we heard the APEC have decided to reduce the tariff of software, it means RAD Studio will reduce price? And we wish that we can buy cheap Enterprise Editio or just DELPHI not include C++

Here are some tips for RAD Studio, we wish Architect Edition can reduce to 30000RMB, although it still more expensive than other countries, lots of companies can afford.

For DELPHI can get big development, we wish your company can consider this suggestion, and we hope your company also can supply free edition to university for education.

Your reply will be higly appreciated!

Chinese Delphi developer,


致 Embarcadero 公司:
我们是中国大陆开发人员。这几年 RAD Studio 越卖越贵。而且还只有架构师版可以选择。去年听说已经到了 68,000 人民币了。
据说 你们那里的价格才 3000 到 4000 美元。请问,我们中国大陆就不能和大家价格差不多吗?
我们中国虽然是大国,但那是人口大国,我们经济还是发展中国家。我们这里的开发公司都是小公司,没有能力购买那么贵的开发工具。很多时候,老板们都会选择便宜的 C#,甚至选择免费的 JAVA 。这让我们这些做 DLEPHI 开发的人员无所适从。
最近 APEC 开会做了决定,要降低软件的关税。是不是 RAD Studio 可以降价了?而且我们也希望可以买较为便宜的 Enterprise Edition,或者只购买 DELPHI ,不购买 C++。
Architect Edition 我们希望能降到 人民币 30,000 左右,这个价格相比你们那里,还是很贵了。但是很多公司表示,这个价格可以接受。
为了 DELPHI 能有更好的发展,希望贵公司考虑我们的这个提议。
另外,希望贵公司能给我们的大学提供免费的教育用版本。

谢谢!

一个中国开发人员

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dun jiannan wrote:
沙发
你不够快哦,沙发是我的了。
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xe5up1super03 xe5up1super03 wrote:
To Embarcadero company,

We are developer of Delphi/C++ Builder in china, but the price is more expensive than before, and in china we just can buy architect edition, not any professional or other edition can be selected. we heard the price is up to 68,000RMB.

By internet, we know the price just $3000~4000 in other countries, so we want to know why the price is so high in china?
Though our country is so big, but it is just in development stage, and lots of companies are small, cannot afford such high price, so they tend to select some cheap development tools, such as c#, java and so on.

we heard the APEC have decided to reduce the tariff of software, it means RAD Studio will reduce price? And we wish that we can buy cheap Enterprise Editio or just DELPHI not include C++

Here are some tips for RAD Studio, we wish Architect Edition can reduce to 30000RMB, although it still more expensive than other countries, lots of companies can afford.

For DELPHI can get big development, we wish your company can consider this suggestion, and we hope your company also can supply free edition to university for education.

Your reply will be higly appreciated!

Chinese Delphi developer,


致 Embarcadero 公司:
我们是中国大陆开发人员。这几年 RAD Studio 越卖越贵。而且还只有架构师版可以选择。去年听说已经到了 68,000 人民币了。
据说 你们那里的价格才 3000 到 4000 美元。请问,我们中国大陆就不能和大家价格差不多吗?
我们中国虽然是大国,但那是人口大国,我们经济还是发展中国家。我们这里的开发公司都是小公司,没有能力购买那么贵的开发工具。很多时候,老板们都会选择便宜的 C#,甚至选择免费的 JAVA 。这让我们这些做 DLEPHI 开发的人员无所适从。
最近 APEC 开会做了决定,要降低软件的关税。是不是 RAD Studio 可以降价了?而且我们也希望可以买较为便宜的 Enterprise Edition,或者只购买 DELPHI ,不购买 C++。
Architect Edition 我们希望能降到 人民币 30,000 左右,这个价格相比你们那里,还是很贵了。但是很多公司表示,这个价格可以接受。
为了 DELPHI 能有更好的发展,希望贵公司考虑我们的这个提议。
另外,希望贵公司能给我们的大学提供免费的教育用版本。

谢谢!

一个中国开发人员


作为一个中国开发人员,我们不要求你出中文版,但希望你们能公平定价!
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xe5up1super03 xe5up1super03 wrote:
To Embarcadero company,

We are developer of Delphi/C++ Builder in china, but the price is more expensive than before, and in china we just can buy architect edition, not any professional or other edition can be selected. we heard the price is up to 68,000RMB.

By internet, we know the price just $3000~4000 in other countries, so we want to know why the price is so high in china?
Though our country is so big, but it is just in development stage, and lots of companies are small, cannot afford such high price, so they tend to select some cheap development tools, such as c#, java and so on.

we heard the APEC have decided to reduce the tariff of software, it means RAD Studio will reduce price? And we wish that we can buy cheap Enterprise Editio or just DELPHI not include C++

Here are some tips for RAD Studio, we wish Architect Edition can reduce to 30000RMB, although it still more expensive than other countries, lots of companies can afford.

For DELPHI can get big development, we wish your company can consider this suggestion, and we hope your company also can supply free edition to university for education.

Your reply will be higly appreciated!

Chinese Delphi developer,


致 Embarcadero 公司:
我们是中国大陆开发人员。这几年 RAD Studio 越卖越贵。而且还只有架构师版可以选择。去年听说已经到了 68,000 人民币了。
据说 你们那里的价格才 3000 到 4000 美元。请问,我们中国大陆就不能和大家价格差不多吗?
我们中国虽然是大国,但那是人口大国,我们经济还是发展中国家。我们这里的开发公司都是小公司,没有能力购买那么贵的开发工具。很多时候,老板们都会选择便宜的 C#,甚至选择免费的 JAVA 。这让我们这些做 DLEPHI 开发的人员无所适从。
最近 APEC 开会做了决定,要降低软件的关税。是不是 RAD Studio 可以降价了?而且我们也希望可以买较为便宜的 Enterprise Edition,或者只购买 DELPHI ,不购买 C++。
Architect Edition 我们希望能降到 人民币 30,000 左右,这个价格相比你们那里,还是很贵了。但是很多公司表示,这个价格可以接受。
为了 DELPHI 能有更好的发展,希望贵公司考虑我们的这个提议。
另外,希望贵公司能给我们的大学提供免费的教育用版本。

谢谢!

一个中国开发人员

xing shiju

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xe5up1super03 xe5up1super03 wrote:
To Embarcadero company,

We are developer of Delphi/C++ Builder in china, but the price is more expensive than before, and in china we just can buy architect edition, not any professional or other edition can be selected. we heard the price is up to 68,000RMB.

By internet, we know the price just $3000~4000 in other countries, so we want to know why the price is so high in china?
Though our country is so big, but it is just in development stage, and lots of companies are small, cannot afford such high price, so they tend to select some cheap development tools, such as c#, java and so on.

we heard the APEC have decided to reduce the tariff of software, it means RAD Studio will reduce price? And we wish that we can buy cheap Enterprise Editio or just DELPHI not include C++

Here are some tips for RAD Studio, we wish Architect Edition can reduce to 30000RMB, although it still more expensive than other countries, lots of companies can afford.

For DELPHI can get big development, we wish your company can consider this suggestion, and we hope your company also can supply free edition to university for education.

Your reply will be higly appreciated!

Chinese Delphi developer,


致 Embarcadero 公司:
我们是中国大陆开发人员。这几年 RAD Studio 越卖越贵。而且还只有架构师版可以选择。去年听说已经到了 68,000 人民币了。
据说 你们那里的价格才 3000 到 4000 美元。请问,我们中国大陆就不能和大家价格差不多吗?
我们中国虽然是大国,但那是人口大国,我们经济还是发展中国家。我们这里的开发公司都是小公司,没有能力购买那么贵的开发工具。很多时候,老板们都会选择便宜的 C#,甚至选择免费的 JAVA 。这让我们这些做 DLEPHI 开发的人员无所适从。
最近 APEC 开会做了决定,要降低软件的关税。是不是 RAD Studio 可以降价了?而且我们也希望可以买较为便宜的 Enterprise Edition,或者只购买 DELPHI ,不购买 C++。
Architect Edition 我们希望能降到 人民币 30,000 左右,这个价格相比你们那里,还是很贵了。但是很多公司表示,这个价格可以接受。
为了 DELPHI 能有更好的发展,希望贵公司考虑我们的这个提议。
另外,希望贵公司能给我们的大学提供免费的教育用版本。

谢谢!

一个中国开发人员

有一个公平合理的定价,没有人喜欢用盗版......

tony tang

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Re: A letter to embarcadero  
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I agree with his statement. He was telling the truth.

他说的没错,请EMB重视,谢谢。


xe5up1super03 xe5up1super03 wrote:
To Embarcadero company,

We are developer of Delphi/C++ Builder in china, but the price is more expensive than before, and in china we just can buy architect edition, not any professional or other edition can be selected. we heard the price is up to 68,000RMB.

By internet, we know the price just $3000~4000 in other countries, so we want to know why the price is so high in china?
Though our country is so big, but it is just in development stage, and lots of companies are small, cannot afford such high price, so they tend to select some cheap development tools, such as c#, java and so on.

we heard the APEC have decided to reduce the tariff of software, it means RAD Studio will reduce price? And we wish that we can buy cheap Enterprise Editio or just DELPHI not include C++

Here are some tips for RAD Studio, we wish Architect Edition can reduce to 30000RMB, although it still more expensive than other countries, lots of companies can afford.

For DELPHI can get big development, we wish your company can consider this suggestion, and we hope your company also can supply free edition to university for education.

Your reply will be higly appreciated!

Chinese Delphi developer,


致 Embarcadero 公司:
我们是中国大陆开发人员。这几年 RAD Studio 越卖越贵。而且还只有架构师版可以选择。去年听说已经到了 68,000 人民币了。
据说 你们那里的价格才 3000 到 4000 美元。请问,我们中国大陆就不能和大家价格差不多吗?
我们中国虽然是大国,但那是人口大国,我们经济还是发展中国家。我们这里的开发公司都是小公司,没有能力购买那么贵的开发工具。很多时候,老板们都会选择便宜的 C#,甚至选择免费的 JAVA 。这让我们这些做 DLEPHI 开发的人员无所适从。
最近 APEC 开会做了决定,要降低软件的关税。是不是 RAD Studio 可以降价了?而且我们也希望可以买较为便宜的 Enterprise Edition,或者只购买 DELPHI ,不购买 C++。
Architect Edition 我们希望能降到 人民币 30,000 左右,这个价格相比你们那里,还是很贵了。但是很多公司表示,这个价格可以接受。
为了 DELPHI 能有更好的发展,希望贵公司考虑我们的这个提议。
另外,希望贵公司能给我们的大学提供免费的教育用版本。

谢谢!

一个中国开发人员

akay luo

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Re: A letter to embarcadero  
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xe5up1super03 xe5up1super03 wrote:
To Embarcadero company,

We are developer of Delphi/C++ Builder in china, but the price is more expensive than before, and in china we just can buy architect edition, not any professional or other edition can be selected. we heard the price is up to 68,000RMB.

By internet, we know the price just $3000~4000 in other countries, so we want to know why the price is so high in china?
Though our country is so big, but it is just in development stage, and lots of companies are small, cannot afford such high price, so they tend to select some cheap development tools, such as c#, java and so on.

we heard the APEC have decided to reduce the tariff of software, it means RAD Studio will reduce price? And we wish that we can buy cheap Enterprise Editio or just DELPHI not include C++

Here are some tips for RAD Studio, we wish Architect Edition can reduce to 30000RMB, although it still more expensive than other countries, lots of companies can afford.

For DELPHI can get big development, we wish your company can consider this suggestion, and we hope your company also can supply free edition to university for education.

Your reply will be higly appreciated!

Chinese Delphi developer,


致 Embarcadero 公司:
我们是中国大陆开发人员。这几年 RAD Studio 越卖越贵。而且还只有架构师版可以选择。去年听说已经到了 68,000 人民币了。
据说 你们那里的价格才 3000 到 4000 美元。请问,我们中国大陆就不能和大家价格差不多吗?
我们中国虽然是大国,但那是人口大国,我们经济还是发展中国家。我们这里的开发公司都是小公司,没有能力购买那么贵的开发工具。很多时候,老板们都会选择便宜的 C#,甚至选择免费的 JAVA 。这让我们这些做 DLEPHI 开发的人员无所适从。
最近 APEC 开会做了决定,要降低软件的关税。是不是 RAD Studio 可以降价了?而且我们也希望可以买较为便宜的 Enterprise Edition,或者只购买 DELPHI ,不购买 C++。
Architect Edition 我们希望能降到 人民币 30,000 左右,这个价格相比你们那里,还是很贵了。但是很多公司表示,这个价格可以接受。
为了 DELPHI 能有更好的发展,希望贵公司考虑我们的这个提议。
另外,希望贵公司能给我们的大学提供免费的教育用版本。

谢谢!

一个中国开发人员


希望降到我个人都可以买得起的价格。而不需要用盗版。
Zhang Shaohua

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价格高
书少
等……
现在已经没有新人学习Delphi了。
熊 泽刚

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xe5up1super03 xe5up1super03 wrote:
To Embarcadero company,

We are developer of Delphi/C++ Builder in china, but the price is more expensive than before, and in china we just can buy architect edition, not any professional or other edition can be selected. we heard the price is up to 68,000RMB.

By internet, we know the price just $3000~4000 in other countries, so we want to know why the price is so high in china?
Though our country is so big, but it is just in development stage, and lots of companies are small, cannot afford such high price, so they tend to select some cheap development tools, such as c#, java and so on.

we heard the APEC have decided to reduce the tariff of software, it means RAD Studio will reduce price? And we wish that we can buy cheap Enterprise Editio or just DELPHI not include C++

Here are some tips for RAD Studio, we wish Architect Edition can reduce to 30000RMB, although it still more expensive than other countries, lots of companies can afford.

For DELPHI can get big development, we wish your company can consider this suggestion, and we hope your company also can supply free edition to university for education.

Your reply will be higly appreciated!

Chinese Delphi developer,


致 Embarcadero 公司:
我们是中国大陆开发人员。这几年 RAD Studio 越卖越贵。而且还只有架构师版可以选择。去年听说已经到了 68,000 人民币了。
据说 你们那里的价格才 3000 到 4000 美元。请问,我们中国大陆就不能和大家价格差不多吗?
我们中国虽然是大国,但那是人口大国,我们经济还是发展中国家。我们这里的开发公司都是小公司,没有能力购买那么贵的开发工具。很多时候,老板们都会选择便宜的 C#,甚至选择免费的 JAVA 。这让我们这些做 DLEPHI 开发的人员无所适从。
最近 APEC 开会做了决定,要降低软件的关税。是不是 RAD Studio 可以降价了?而且我们也希望可以买较为便宜的 Enterprise Edition,或者只购买 DELPHI ,不购买 C++。
Architect Edition 我们希望能降到 人民币 30,000 左右,这个价格相比你们那里,还是很贵了。但是很多公司表示,这个价格可以接受。
为了 DELPHI 能有更好的发展,希望贵公司考虑我们的这个提议。
另外,希望贵公司能给我们的大学提供免费的教育用版本。

谢谢!

一个中国开发人员

此问题已经存在多年,奸商中间加价太多啦,希望开通网络直购,像苹果购买开发者账号一样,刷信用卡预授权
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xe5up1super03 xe5up1super03 wrote:
To Embarcadero company,

We are developer of Delphi/C++ Builder in china, but the price is more expensive than before, and in china we just can buy architect edition, not any professional or other edition can be selected. we heard the price is up to 68,000RMB.

By internet, we know the price just $3000~4000 in other countries, so we want to know why the price is so high in china?
Though our country is so big, but it is just in development stage, and lots of companies are small, cannot afford such high price, so they tend to select some cheap development tools, such as c#, java and so on.

we heard the APEC have decided to reduce the tariff of software, it means RAD Studio will reduce price? And we wish that we can buy cheap Enterprise Editio or just DELPHI not include C++

Here are some tips for RAD Studio, we wish Architect Edition can reduce to 30000RMB, although it still more expensive than other countries, lots of companies can afford.

For DELPHI can get big development, we wish your company can consider this suggestion, and we hope your company also can supply free edition to university for education.

Your reply will be higly appreciated!

Chinese Delphi developer,


致 Embarcadero 公司:
我们是中国大陆开发人员。这几年 RAD Studio 越卖越贵。而且还只有架构师版可以选择。去年听说已经到了 68,000 人民币了。
据说 你们那里的价格才 3000 到 4000 美元。请问,我们中国大陆就不能和大家价格差不多吗?
我们中国虽然是大国,但那是人口大国,我们经济还是发展中国家。我们这里的开发公司都是小公司,没有能力购买那么贵的开发工具。很多时候,老板们都会选择便宜的 C#,甚至选择免费的 JAVA 。这让我们这些做 DLEPHI 开发的人员无所适从。
最近 APEC 开会做了决定,要降低软件的关税。是不是 RAD Studio 可以降价了?而且我们也希望可以买较为便宜的 Enterprise Edition,或者只购买 DELPHI ,不购买 C++。
Architect Edition 我们希望能降到 人民币 30,000 左右,这个价格相比你们那里,还是很贵了。但是很多公司表示,这个价格可以接受。
为了 DELPHI 能有更好的发展,希望贵公司考虑我们的这个提议。
另外,希望贵公司能给我们的大学提供免费的教育用版本。

谢谢!

一个中国开发人员


变态的EMB
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Re: A letter to embarcadero  
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xe5up1super03 xe5up1super03 wrote:
To Embarcadero company,

We are developer of Delphi/C++ Builder in china, but the price is more expensive than before, and in china we just can buy architect edition, not any professional or other edition can be selected. we heard the price is up to 68,000RMB.

By internet, we know the price just $3000~4000 in other countries, so we want to know why the price is so high in china?
Though our country is so big, but it is just in development stage, and lots of companies are small, cannot afford such high price, so they tend to select some cheap development tools, such as c#, java and so on.

we heard the APEC have decided to reduce the tariff of software, it means RAD Studio will reduce price? And we wish that we can buy cheap Enterprise Editio or just DELPHI not include C++

Here are some tips for RAD Studio, we wish Architect Edition can reduce to 30000RMB, although it still more expensive than other countries, lots of companies can afford.

For DELPHI can get big development, we wish your company can consider this suggestion, and we hope your company also can supply free edition to university for education.

Your reply will be higly appreciated!

Chinese Delphi developer,


致 Embarcadero 公司:
我们是中国大陆开发人员。这几年 RAD Studio 越卖越贵。而且还只有架构师版可以选择。去年听说已经到了 68,000 人民币了。
据说 你们那里的价格才 3000 到 4000 美元。请问,我们中国大陆就不能和大家价格差不多吗?
我们中国虽然是大国,但那是人口大国,我们经济还是发展中国家。我们这里的开发公司都是小公司,没有能力购买那么贵的开发工具。很多时候,老板们都会选择便宜的 C#,甚至选择免费的 JAVA 。这让我们这些做 DLEPHI 开发的人员无所适从。
最近 APEC 开会做了决定,要降低软件的关税。是不是 RAD Studio 可以降价了?而且我们也希望可以买较为便宜的 Enterprise Edition,或者只购买 DELPHI ,不购买 C++。
Architect Edition 我们希望能降到 人民币 30,000 左右,这个价格相比你们那里,还是很贵了。但是很多公司表示,这个价格可以接受。
为了 DELPHI 能有更好的发展,希望贵公司考虑我们的这个提议。
另外,希望贵公司能给我们的大学提供免费的教育用版本。

谢谢!

一个中国开发人员


说到我心坎里去了,支持楼主!
Zhang Peimin

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我们喜爱Delphi,希望它有更公平的价格  
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xe5up1super03 xe5up1super03 wrote:
To Embarcadero company,

We are developer of Delphi/C++ Builder in china, but the price is more expensive than before, and in china we just can buy architect edition, not any professional or other edition can be selected. we heard the price is up to 68,000RMB.

By internet, we know the price just $3000~4000 in other countries, so we want to know why the price is so high in china?
Though our country is so big, but it is just in development stage, and lots of companies are small, cannot afford such high price, so they tend to select some cheap development tools, such as c#, java and so on.

we heard the APEC have decided to reduce the tariff of software, it means RAD Studio will reduce price? And we wish that we can buy cheap Enterprise Editio or just DELPHI not include C++

Here are some tips for RAD Studio, we wish Architect Edition can reduce to 30000RMB, although it still more expensive than other countries, lots of companies can afford.

For DELPHI can get big development, we wish your company can consider this suggestion, and we hope your company also can supply free edition to university for education.

Your reply will be higly appreciated!

Chinese Delphi developer,


致 Embarcadero 公司:
我们是中国大陆开发人员。这几年 RAD Studio 越卖越贵。而且还只有架构师版可以选择。去年听说已经到了 68,000 人民币了。
据说 你们那里的价格才 3000 到 4000 美元。请问,我们中国大陆就不能和大家价格差不多吗?
我们中国虽然是大国,但那是人口大国,我们经济还是发展中国家。我们这里的开发公司都是小公司,没有能力购买那么贵的开发工具。很多时候,老板们都会选择便宜的 C#,甚至选择免费的 JAVA 。这让我们这些做 DLEPHI 开发的人员无所适从。
最近 APEC 开会做了决定,要降低软件的关税。是不是 RAD Studio 可以降价了?而且我们也希望可以买较为便宜的 Enterprise Edition,或者只购买 DELPHI ,不购买 C++。
Architect Edition 我们希望能降到 人民币 30,000 左右,这个价格相比你们那里,还是很贵了。但是很多公司表示,这个价格可以接受。
为了 DELPHI 能有更好的发展,希望贵公司考虑我们的这个提议。
另外,希望贵公司能给我们的大学提供免费的教育用版本。

谢谢!

一个中国开发人员

star flying

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xe5up1super03 xe5up1super03 wrote:
To Embarcadero company,

We are developer of Delphi/C++ Builder in china, but the price is more expensive than before, and in china we just can buy architect edition, not any professional or other edition can be selected. we heard the price is up to 68,000RMB.

By internet, we know the price just $3000~4000 in other countries, so we want to know why the price is so high in china?
Though our country is so big, but it is just in development stage, and lots of companies are small, cannot afford such high price, so they tend to select some cheap development tools, such as c#, java and so on.

we heard the APEC have decided to reduce the tariff of software, it means RAD Studio will reduce price? And we wish that we can buy cheap Enterprise Editio or just DELPHI not include C++

Here are some tips for RAD Studio, we wish Architect Edition can reduce to 30000RMB, although it still more expensive than other countries, lots of companies can afford.

For DELPHI can get big development, we wish your company can consider this suggestion, and we hope your company also can supply free edition to university for education.

Your reply will be higly appreciated!

Chinese Delphi developer,


致 Embarcadero 公司:
我们是中国大陆开发人员。这几年 RAD Studio 越卖越贵。而且还只有架构师版可以选择。去年听说已经到了 68,000 人民币了。
据说 你们那里的价格才 3000 到 4000 美元。请问,我们中国大陆就不能和大家价格差不多吗?
我们中国虽然是大国,但那是人口大国,我们经济还是发展中国家。我们这里的开发公司都是小公司,没有能力购买那么贵的开发工具。很多时候,老板们都会选择便宜的 C#,甚至选择免费的 JAVA 。这让我们这些做 DLEPHI 开发的人员无所适从。
最近 APEC 开会做了决定,要降低软件的关税。是不是 RAD Studio 可以降价了?而且我们也希望可以买较为便宜的 Enterprise Edition,或者只购买 DELPHI ,不购买 C++。
Architect Edition 我们希望能降到 人民币 30,000 左右,这个价格相比你们那里,还是很贵了。但是很多公司表示,这个价格可以接受。
为了 DELPHI 能有更好的发展,希望贵公司考虑我们的这个提议。
另外,希望贵公司能给我们的大学提供免费的教育用版本。

谢谢!

一个中国开发人员


顶起,现在delphi用的人本来就越来越少了,经过中间环节还这么贵,也影响工具的推广,重新来得到更多人的使用。
Cheung King

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Re: A letter to embarcadero  
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xe5up1super03 xe5up1super03 wrote:
To Embarcadero company,

We are developer of Delphi/C++ Builder in china, but the price is more expensive than before, and in china we just can buy architect edition, not any professional or other edition can be selected. we heard the price is up to 68,000RMB.

By internet, we know the price just $3000~4000 in other countries, so we want to know why the price is so high in china?
Though our country is so big, but it is just in development stage, and lots of companies are small, cannot afford such high price, so they tend to select some cheap development tools, such as c#, java and so on.

we heard the APEC have decided to reduce the tariff of software, it means RAD Studio will reduce price? And we wish that we can buy cheap Enterprise Editio or just DELPHI not include C++

Here are some tips for RAD Studio, we wish Architect Edition can reduce to 30000RMB, although it still more expensive than other countries, lots of companies can afford.

For DELPHI can get big development, we wish your company can consider this suggestion, and we hope your company also can supply free edition to university for education.

Your reply will be higly appreciated!

Chinese Delphi developer,


致 Embarcadero 公司:
我们是中国大陆开发人员。这几年 RAD Studio 越卖越贵。而且还只有架构师版可以选择。去年听说已经到了 68,000 人民币了。
据说 你们那里的价格才 3000 到 4000 美元。请问,我们中国大陆就不能和大家价格差不多吗?
我们中国虽然是大国,但那是人口大国,我们经济还是发展中国家。我们这里的开发公司都是小公司,没有能力购买那么贵的开发工具。很多时候,老板们都会选择便宜的 C#,甚至选择免费的 JAVA 。这让我们这些做 DLEPHI 开发的人员无所适从。
最近 APEC 开会做了决定,要降低软件的关税。是不是 RAD Studio 可以降价了?而且我们也希望可以买较为便宜的 Enterprise Edition,或者只购买 DELPHI ,不购买 C++。
Architect Edition 我们希望能降到 人民币 30,000 左右,这个价格相比你们那里,还是很贵了。但是很多公司表示,这个价格可以接受。
为了 DELPHI 能有更好的发展,希望贵公司考虑我们的这个提议。
另外,希望贵公司能给我们的大学提供免费的教育用版本。

谢谢!

一个中国开发人员


希望官方能關注, 亦都希望官方給採納! 昂貴的價格會導致開發者流失, 一樣的開發, 企業為什麼一定要用DELPHI?
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I can't agree with you more. (我非常同意你)

Edited by: one chen on Nov 21, 2014 12:03 AM
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xe5up1super03 xe5up1super03 wrote:
To Embarcadero company,

We are developer of Delphi/C++ Builder in china, but the price is more expensive than before, and in china we just can buy architect edition, not any professional or other edition can be selected. we heard the price is up to 68,000RMB.

By internet, we know the price just $3000~4000 in other countries, so we want to know why the price is so high in china?
Though our country is so big, but it is just in development stage, and lots of companies are small, cannot afford such high price, so they tend to select some cheap development tools, such as c#, java and so on.

we heard the APEC have decided to reduce the tariff of software, it means RAD Studio will reduce price? And we wish that we can buy cheap Enterprise Editio or just DELPHI not include C++

Here are some tips for RAD Studio, we wish Architect Edition can reduce to 30000RMB, although it still more expensive than other countries, lots of companies can afford.

For DELPHI can get big development, we wish your company can consider this suggestion, and we hope your company also can supply free edition to university for education.

Your reply will be higly appreciated!

Chinese Delphi developer,

Agree! I hope Embarcadero stand high and see far!

Edited by: robin xu on Nov 21, 2014 12:04 AM
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xe5up1super03 xe5up1super03 wrote:
To Embarcadero company,

We are developer of Delphi/C++ Builder in china, but the price is more expensive than before, and in china we just can buy architect edition, not any professional or other edition can be selected. we heard the price is up to 68,000RMB.

By internet, we know the price just $3000~4000 in other countries, so we want to know why the price is so high in china?
Though our country is so big, but it is just in development stage, and lots of companies are small, cannot afford such high price, so they tend to select some cheap development tools, such as c#, java and so on.

we heard the APEC have decided to reduce the tariff of software, it means RAD Studio will reduce price? And we wish that we can buy cheap Enterprise Editio or just DELPHI not include C++

Here are some tips for RAD Studio, we wish Architect Edition can reduce to 30000RMB, although it still more expensive than other countries, lots of companies can afford.

For DELPHI can get big development, we wish your company can consider this suggestion, and we hope your company also can supply free edition to university for education.

Your reply will be higly appreciated!

Chinese Delphi developer,


致 Embarcadero 公司:
我们是中国大陆开发人员。这几年 RAD Studio 越卖越贵。而且还只有架构师版可以选择。去年听说已经到了 68,000 人民币了。
据说 你们那里的价格才 3000 到 4000 美元。请问,我们中国大陆就不能和大家价格差不多吗?
我们中国虽然是大国,但那是人口大国,我们经济还是发展中国家。我们这里的开发公司都是小公司,没有能力购买那么贵的开发工具。很多时候,老板们都会选择便宜的 C#,甚至选择免费的 JAVA 。这让我们这些做 DLEPHI 开发的人员无所适从。
最近 APEC 开会做了决定,要降低软件的关税。是不是 RAD Studio 可以降价了?而且我们也希望可以买较为便宜的 Enterprise Edition,或者只购买 DELPHI ,不购买 C++。
Architect Edition 我们希望能降到 人民币 30,000 左右,这个价格相比你们那里,还是很贵了。但是很多公司表示,这个价格可以接受。
为了 DELPHI 能有更好的发展,希望贵公司考虑我们的这个提议。
另外,希望贵公司能给我们的大学提供免费的教育用版本。

谢谢!

一个中国开发人员


建议增加个人版,按授权数进行收费!
zhou qian

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xe5up1super03 xe5up1super03 wrote:
To Embarcadero company,

We are developer of Delphi/C++ Builder in china, but the price is more expensive than before, and in china we just can buy architect edition, not any professional or other edition can be selected. we heard the price is up to 68,000RMB.

By internet, we know the price just $3000~4000 in other countries, so we want to know why the price is so high in china?
Though our country is so big, but it is just in development stage, and lots of companies are small, cannot afford such high price, so they tend to select some cheap development tools, such as c#, java and so on.

we heard the APEC have decided to reduce the tariff of software, it means RAD Studio will reduce price? And we wish that we can buy cheap Enterprise Editio or just DELPHI not include C++

Here are some tips for RAD Studio, we wish Architect Edition can reduce to 30000RMB, although it still more expensive than other countries, lots of companies can afford.

For DELPHI can get big development, we wish your company can consider this suggestion, and we hope your company also can supply free edition to university for education.

Your reply will be higly appreciated!

Chinese Delphi developer,


致 Embarcadero 公司:
我们是中国大陆开发人员。这几年 RAD Studio 越卖越贵。而且还只有架构师版可以选择。去年听说已经到了 68,000 人民币了。
据说 你们那里的价格才 3000 到 4000 美元。请问,我们中国大陆就不能和大家价格差不多吗?
我们中国虽然是大国,但那是人口大国,我们经济还是发展中国家。我们这里的开发公司都是小公司,没有能力购买那么贵的开发工具。很多时候,老板们都会选择便宜的 C#,甚至选择免费的 JAVA 。这让我们这些做 DLEPHI 开发的人员无所适从。
最近 APEC 开会做了决定,要降低软件的关税。是不是 RAD Studio 可以降价了?而且我们也希望可以买较为便宜的 Enterprise Edition,或者只购买 DELPHI ,不购买 C++。
Architect Edition 我们希望能降到 人民币 30,000 左右,这个价格相比你们那里,还是很贵了。但是很多公司表示,这个价格可以接受。
为了 DELPHI 能有更好的发展,希望贵公司考虑我们的这个提议。
另外,希望贵公司能给我们的大学提供免费的教育用版本。

谢谢!

一个中国开发人员


很多产品,都能做到所有国家同价,我觉得应该做的是:所有国家相同的政策,相同的价格。
即:开放产品线的所有产品,美国提供的版本,中国应该也有,美国什么价,中国什么价!
希望官方能拿出你们的勇气,放弁中国半年的业绩,改掉中国现有的代理体系,中国一些大的代理软件公司,都在慢慢的减少delphi 的持有量了,销量是一个问题,大公司不希望与客户保持这种不良关系!
所以:他们基本不会再主动去推销delphi了,这,也会是贵公司的损失!
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xe5up1super03 xe5up1super03 wrote:
To Embarcadero company,

We are developer of Delphi/C++ Builder in china, but the price is more expensive than before, and in china we just can buy architect edition, not any professional or other edition can be selected. we heard the price is up to 68,000RMB.

By internet, we know the price just $3000~4000 in other countries, so we want to know why the price is so high in china?
Though our country is so big, but it is just in development stage, and lots of companies are small, cannot afford such high price, so they tend to select some cheap development tools, such as c#, java and so on.

we heard the APEC have decided to reduce the tariff of software, it means RAD Studio will reduce price? And we wish that we can buy cheap Enterprise Editio or just DELPHI not include C++

Here are some tips for RAD Studio, we wish Architect Edition can reduce to 30000RMB, although it still more expensive than other countries, lots of companies can afford.

For DELPHI can get big development, we wish your company can consider this suggestion, and we hope your company also can supply free edition to university for education.

Your reply will be higly appreciated!

Chinese Delphi developer,


致 Embarcadero 公司:
我们是中国大陆开发人员。这几年 RAD Studio 越卖越贵。而且还只有架构师版可以选择。去年听说已经到了 68,000 人民币了。
据说 你们那里的价格才 3000 到 4000 美元。请问,我们中国大陆就不能和大家价格差不多吗?
我们中国虽然是大国,但那是人口大国,我们经济还是发展中国家。我们这里的开发公司都是小公司,没有能力购买那么贵的开发工具。很多时候,老板们都会选择便宜的 C#,甚至选择免费的 JAVA 。这让我们这些做 DLEPHI 开发的人员无所适从。
最近 APEC 开会做了决定,要降低软件的关税。是不是 RAD Studio 可以降价了?而且我们也希望可以买较为便宜的 Enterprise Edition,或者只购买 DELPHI ,不购买 C++。
Architect Edition 我们希望能降到 人民币 30,000 左右,这个价格相比你们那里,还是很贵了。但是很多公司表示,这个价格可以接受。
为了 DELPHI 能有更好的发展,希望贵公司考虑我们的这个提议。
另外,希望贵公司能给我们的大学提供免费的教育用版本。

谢谢!

一个中国开发人员


希望还有中文版
李 林虎

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希望emb能够考虑一下这个不错的建议,同时期待xe能够创造辉煌的业绩。
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价格确实太贵了,这么优秀的开发工具希望能够更多中小公司也能够用的起
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I agree.
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i agree.

Edited by: Chang John on Nov 23, 2014 9:49 PM
Farshad Mohajeri

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xe5up1super03 xe5up1super03 wrote:
To Embarcadero company,

We are developer of Delphi/C++ Builder in china, but the price is more expensive than before, and in china we just can buy architect edition, not any professional or other edition can be selected. we heard the price is up to 68,000RMB.

By internet, we know the price just $3000~4000 in other countries, so we want to know why the price is so high in china?
Though our country is so big, but it is just in development stage, and lots of companies are small, cannot afford such high price, so they tend to select some cheap development tools, such as c#, java and so on.

Very interesting segmentation strategy!

If I were to segment a price for Chine I would make it much lower than other countries not much higher! The general rule of market segmentation is selling at a lower price to those who can afford less and at a higher price to those who can pay more. Embarcadero is doing the opposite. I see that Delphi prices are considerably higher in countries with lower income rate.

Perhaps Nick Hodges can help us understand this picture, as he is the one of the few mortals who can truly comprehend how EMBT's pricing strategy works.

dong dong

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xe5up1super03 xe5up1super03 wrote:
To Embarcadero company,

We are developer of Delphi/C++ Builder in china, but the price is more expensive than before, and in china we just can buy architect edition, not any professional or other edition can be selected. we heard the price is up to 68,000RMB.

By internet, we know the price just $3000~4000 in other countries, so we want to know why the price is so high in china?
Though our country is so big, but it is just in development stage, and lots of companies are small, cannot afford such high price, so they tend to select some cheap development tools, such as c#, java and so on.

we heard the APEC have decided to reduce the tariff of software, it means RAD Studio will reduce price? And we wish that we can buy cheap Enterprise Editio or just DELPHI not include C++

Here are some tips for RAD Studio, we wish Architect Edition can reduce to 30000RMB, although it still more expensive than other countries, lots of companies can afford.

For DELPHI can get big development, we wish your company can consider this suggestion, and we hope your company also can supply free edition to university for education.

Your reply will be higly appreciated!

Chinese Delphi developer,


致 Embarcadero 公司:
我们是中国大陆开发人员。这几年 RAD Studio 越卖越贵。而且还只有架构师版可以选择。去年听说已经到了 68,000 人民币了。
据说 你们那里的价格才 3000 到 4000 美元。请问,我们中国大陆就不能和大家价格差不多吗?
我们中国虽然是大国,但那是人口大国,我们经济还是发展中国家。我们这里的开发公司都是小公司,没有能力购买那么贵的开发工具。很多时候,老板们都会选择便宜的 C#,甚至选择免费的 JAVA 。这让我们这些做 DLEPHI 开发的人员无所适从。
最近 APEC 开会做了决定,要降低软件的关税。是不是 RAD Studio 可以降价了?而且我们也希望可以买较为便宜的 Enterprise Edition,或者只购买 DELPHI ,不购买 C++。
Architect Edition 我们希望能降到 人民币 30,000 左右,这个价格相比你们那里,还是很贵了。但是很多公司表示,这个价格可以接受。
为了 DELPHI 能有更好的发展,希望贵公司考虑我们的这个提议。
另外,希望贵公司能给我们的大学提供免费的教育用版本。

谢谢!

一个中国开发人员


I agree too!

I hope Delphi Programer more and more!
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xe5up1super03 xe5up1super03 wrote:
To Embarcadero company,

We are developer of Delphi/C++ Builder in china, but the price is more expensive than before, and in china we just can buy architect edition, not any professional or other edition can be selected. we heard the price is up to 68,000RMB.

By internet, we know the price just $3000~4000 in other countries, so we want to know why the price is so high in china?
Though our country is so big, but it is just in development stage, and lots of companies are small, cannot afford such high price, so they tend to select some cheap development tools, such as c#, java and so on.

we heard the APEC have decided to reduce the tariff of software, it means RAD Studio will reduce price? And we wish that we can buy cheap Enterprise Editio or just DELPHI not include C++

Here are some tips for RAD Studio, we wish Architect Edition can reduce to 30000RMB, although it still more expensive than other countries, lots of companies can afford.

For DELPHI can get big development, we wish your company can consider this suggestion, and we hope your company also can supply free edition to university for education.

Your reply will be higly appreciated!

Chinese Delphi developer,

I don't think Embarcadero cares about China at all. Like all American companies, they just want to see how much many they can make.
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Hello,

is there any official Embarcadero representative for China?
If yes you might want to have a talk/e-mail conversation about this with
him. If that won't work you might want to send a polite e-mail to Marco
Cantu, the Delphi product manager and explain the situation in English
to him and politely ask for his help. There's no guarantee EMBT
employees read these newsgroup posts here, even if one or the other
occassionally shows by here (we often won't notice because they often
only read here and often don't write).

Greetings

Markus
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[QUOTE xe5up1super03 xe5up1super03]

[/QUOTE]

(End product) Prices vary based on currency exchange rates and inter-country import duties, sales tariffs and taxation agreements. So - the price of a product sold in the USA webstore will in all likelihood vary across different country offices (web-stores).

Hope that helped clear some of your doubts.

Bests,
Steve Faleiro
(former) Embarcadero TeamB support

gai gai

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Steve Faleiro wrote:
[QUOTE xe5up1super03 xe5up1super03]

[/QUOTE]

(End product) Prices vary based on currency exchange rates and inter-country import duties, sales tariffs and taxation agreements. So - the price of a product sold in the USA webstore will in all likelihood vary across different country offices (web-stores).

Hope that helped clear some of your doubts.

Bests,
Steve Faleiro
(former) Embarcadero TeamB support

的确, 新的开发者越来越少, 因为大学不再有pascal语言课程.
没有外部因素, 毕业生很难主动向delphi方向发展.
外部因素有两个:
一是开发工具的易用性. delphi容易入门,实现快速. 相比而言, delphi可以是首选.
二是公司选择这个开发工具. 但从价格上看, 流行的开发语言有C#, .net, java等等, 不一定会首选delphi. 企业会选择更省钱的.

会的人越来越少,公司也很少选用. delphi开发群体越来越少.
delphi虽然是个好产品, 但如果价格无法被多数使用者接受, 很难增加客户群体.

可以按个人版或按用户授权,以便让更多的开发者能受益.
对于版本, 虽然安装了delphi xe和C++ Builder, 但我只用到了delphi. 所以定价, 也可以从这个方面去考虑.
我觉得3万多的价格, 还是可以接受的, 至少我是这样想.
价格也可能与关税之类的因素有关,但不是没有办法解决这种矛盾的.

当然,所有的前提,是贵公司是关心中国市场的.

中国的开发人员为数不少, 希望贵公司能看到我们的期待. 做为一个开发者, 真的很喜欢delphi.

一个10年的开发者.

wang wang

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Steve Faleiro wrote:
[QUOTE xe5up1super03 xe5up1super03]

[/QUOTE]

(End product) Prices vary based on currency exchange rates and inter-country import duties, sales tariffs and taxation agreements. So - the price of a product sold in the USA webstore will in all likelihood vary across different country offices (web-stores).

Hope that helped clear some of your doubts.

Bests,
Steve Faleiro
(former) Embarcadero TeamB support


How much tax software import?
How much is your export tax?
Integrated down, even more than 200%?
Why Microsoft vs not so expensive?
Farshad Mohajeri

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Steve Faleiro wrote:
[QUOTE xe5up1super03 xe5up1super03]

[/QUOTE]

(End product) Prices vary based on currency exchange rates

Exchange rate has nothing to do with pricing. It is simply a unit conversion.

and inter-country import duties, sales tariffs and taxation agreements. So - the price of a product sold in the USA webstore will in all likelihood vary across different country offices (web-stores).

Almost all countries can buy software at same price from an online store. Some countries may add "Value Added Tax" or "Sales Tax" which is deductible for companies.

Here the OP is talking about 200% price difference.
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[QUOTE xe5up1super03 xe5up1super03]

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(End product) Prices vary based on currency exchange rates and inter-country import duties, sales tariffs and taxation agreements. So - the price of a product sold in the USA webstore will in all likelihood vary across different country offices (web-stores).

Hope that helped clear some of your doubts.

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FYI: Current Exchange rate USD to RMB is approximately 6.12; that SHOULD make the base price for the architect version BEFORE tariffs and taxes to be around 28750 RMB.
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100% agree!

卐丼自价学由价和版的百弓
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xe5up1super03 xe5up1super03 wrote:
To Embarcadero company,

We are developer of Delphi/C++ Builder in china, but the price is more expensive than before, and in china we just can buy architect edition, not any professional or other edition can be selected. we heard the price is up to 68,000RMB.

By internet, we know the price just $3000~4000 in other countries, so we want to know why the price is so high in china?
Though our country is so big, but it is just in development stage, and lots of companies are small, cannot afford such high price, so they tend to select some cheap development tools, such as c#, java and so on.

we heard the APEC have decided to reduce the tariff of software, it means RAD Studio will reduce price? And we wish that we can buy cheap Enterprise Editio or just DELPHI not include C++

Here are some tips for RAD Studio, we wish Architect Edition can reduce to 30000RMB, although it still more expensive than other countries, lots of companies can afford.

For DELPHI can get big development, we wish your company can consider this suggestion, and we hope your company also can supply free edition to university for education.

Your reply will be higly appreciated!

Chinese Delphi developer,


致 Embarcadero 公司:
我们是中国大陆开发人员。这几年 RAD Studio 越卖越贵。而且还只有架构师版可以选择。去年听说已经到了 68,000 人民币了。
据说 你们那里的价格才 3000 到 4000 美元。请问,我们中国大陆就不能和大家价格差不多吗?
我们中国虽然是大国,但那是人口大国,我们经济还是发展中国家。我们这里的开发公司都是小公司,没有能力购买那么贵的开发工具。很多时候,老板们都会选择便宜的 C#,甚至选择免费的 JAVA 。这让我们这些做 DLEPHI 开发的人员无所适从。
最近 APEC 开会做了决定,要降低软件的关税。是不是 RAD Studio 可以降价了?而且我们也希望可以买较为便宜的 Enterprise Edition,或者只购买 DELPHI ,不购买 C++。
Architect Edition 我们希望能降到 人民币 30,000 左右,这个价格相比你们那里,还是很贵了。但是很多公司表示,这个价格可以接受。
为了 DELPHI 能有更好的发展,希望贵公司考虑我们的这个提议。
另外,希望贵公司能给我们的大学提供免费的教育用版本。

谢谢!

一个中国开发人员


价格确实太贵了,这么优秀的开发工具希望能够更多中小公司也能够用的起 !~~ 傷不起~~~

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期待中

Edited by: gai gai on Nov 21, 2014 6:10 PM
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How much tax software import?
How much is your export tax?
Integrated down, even more than 200%?
Why Microsoft vs not so expensive?

软件的 进口税收多少?
你们出口税是多少?

综合下来,居然比 200% 还多?

为什么微软的 vs 就没那么贵?

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据说 有家叫 深圳市立诺软件公司 他们出售 Enterprise Edition 。价格是 38,800人民币。

It is said that home is called Shenzhen Ipromise software company, they sell Enterprise Edition. The price is 38800 RMB.

http://www.szipromise.com/
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wang wang wrote:
据说 有家叫 深圳市立诺软件公司 他们出售 Enterprise Edition 。价格是 38,800人民币。

It is said that home is called Shenzhen Ipromise software company, they sell Enterprise Edition. The price is 38800 yuan.

http://www.szipromise.com/

I hope it is the Architect Edition 30,000 RMB, Enterprise Edition, about 10,000 RMB to.

我希望是 架构师版本 30,000 RMB,企业版,大概 10,000 RMB 才对。
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xe5up1super02 xe5up1super02 wrote:
wang wang wrote:
据说 有家叫 深圳市立诺软件公司 他们出售 Enterprise Edition 。价格是 38,800人民币。

It is said that home is called Shenzhen Ipromise software company, they sell Enterprise Edition. The price is 38800 yuan.

http://www.szipromise.com/

I hope it is the Architect Edition 30,000 RMB, Enterprise Edition, about 10,000 RMB to.

我希望是 架构师版本 30,000 RMB,企业版,大概 10,000 RMB 才对。
emb 官方,这是怎么回事 ?
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xe5up1super02 xe5up1super02 wrote:
wang wang wrote:
据说 有家叫 深圳市立诺软件公司 他们出售 Enterprise Edition 。价格是 38,800人民币。

It is said that home is called Shenzhen Ipromise software company, they sell Enterprise Edition. The price is 38800 yuan.

http://www.szipromise.com/

I hope it is the Architect Edition 30,000 RMB, Enterprise Edition, about 10,000 RMB to.

我希望是 架构师版本 30,000 RMB,企业版,大概 10,000 RMB 才对。
emb 官方,这是怎么回事 ? embarcadero soft Price 38800 人民币,太黑了
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xe5up1super03 xe5up1super03 wrote:
To Embarcadero company,

We are developer of Delphi/C++ Builder in china, but the price is more expensive than before, and in china we just can buy architect edition, not any professional or other edition can be selected. we heard the price is up to 68,000RMB.

By internet, we know the price just $3000~4000 in other countries, so we want to know why the price is so high in china?
Though our country is so big, but it is just in development stage, and lots of companies are small, cannot afford such high price, so they tend to select some cheap development tools, such as c#, java and so on.

we heard the APEC have decided to reduce the tariff of software, it means RAD Studio will reduce price? And we wish that we can buy cheap Enterprise Edition or just DELPHI not include C++

Here are some tips for RAD Studio, we wish Architect Edition can reduce to 30000RMB, although it still more expensive than other countries, lots of companies can afford.

For DELPHI can get big development, we wish your company can consider this suggestion, and we hope your company also can supply free edition to university for education.

Your reply will be higly appreciated!

Chinese Delphi developer,


致 Embarcadero 公司:
我们是中国大陆开发人员。这几年 RAD Studio 越卖越贵。而且还只有架构师版可以选择。去年听说已经到了 68,000 人民币了。
据说 你们那里的价格才 3000 到 4000 美元。请问,我们中国大陆就不能和大家价格差不多吗?
我们中国虽然是大国,但那是人口大国,我们经济还是发展中国家。我们这里的开发公司都是小公司,没有能力购买那么贵的开发工具。很多时候,老板们都会选择便宜的 C#,甚至选择免费的 JAVA 。这让我们这些做 DLEPHI 开发的人员无所适从。
最近 APEC 开会做了决定,要降低软件的关税。是不是 RAD Studio 可以降价了?而且我们也希望可以买较为便宜的 Enterprise Edition,或者只购买 DELPHI ,不购买 C++。
Architect Edition 我们希望能降到 人民币 30,000 左右,这个价格相比你们那里,还是很贵了。但是很多公司表示,这个价格可以接受。
为了 DELPHI 能有更好的发展,希望贵公司考虑我们的这个提议。
另外,希望贵公司能给我们的大学提供免费的教育用版本。

谢谢!

一个中国开发人员

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据说 有家叫 深圳市立诺软件公司 他们出售 Enterprise Edition 。价格是 38,800人民币。

It is said that home is called Shenzhen Ipromise software company, they sell Enterprise Edition. The price is 38800 RMB.

http://www.szipromise.com/

不知道,居然还有 企业版在卖。

不过,我觉得,企业版,也是太贵了。

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丁页 ~
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Also, we wish you Embarcadero company could seriously considering providing Chinese language in Delphi IDE, especially online help.

Many people around china had started to used Delphi since Delphi XE5!
We are all desire you could think more about user around china.

You've provide 4 languages (English, Germany, Japanese, French), I wonder you could provide Chinese languages.

If you could provide Chines IDE, even On-line help, I'm very sure of many companies in China will buy this product.

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而且,希望你們 Embarcadero 公司能慎重考慮提供中文的 IDE,尤其是線上幫助。

在華人圈從 Delphi XE5 以後開始有很多人用 Delphi 產品了。
我們都渴望你們多考慮一下華人圈用戶。

你們已經提供了4個版本(英文, 德語,日文,法語),不曉得你們能提供中文界面嗎?

如果你們能提供中文 IDE,連幫助都能提供的話,我非常確定有很多中國公司會買這個產品。
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If you could provide Chines IDE, even On-line help, I'm very sure of
many companies in China will buy this product.

Is vS available in Chinese?
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cuteman wu wrote:


If you could provide Chines IDE, even On-line help, I'm very sure of
many companies in China will buy this product.

Is vS available in Chinese?

Why does that matter?
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Why does that matter?

Because I am curious. Reason enough for you?
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On 11/25/2014 03:18 PM, Uffe Kousgaard wrote:
Kyle Miller wrote:


Why does that matter?

Because I am curious. Reason enough for you?

No.
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Uffe Kousgaard wrote:
cuteman wu wrote:


If you could provide Chines IDE, even On-line help, I'm very sure of
many companies in China will buy this product.

Is vS available in Chinese?

Yes, MS Visual Studio has provided fully Chinese language Since VB6 (or earlier I'm not sure).
But all we concern is online help with Chinese, English IDE with Chinese online help is OK.
Almost all of Chinese develop can read simple English, So English IDE is alright.
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Thank you guys for raising this issue. Since years Delphi price is unfair for many countries, Brasil, Poland, China and so on...It boggles the mind why EMB is unable to stabilize prices.

I hope that they atleast hire someone to translate online help to Chinese, such big market could not be ignored.
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Dimitrij Kowalski wrote:
Thank you guys for raising this issue. Since years Delphi price is unfair for many countries, Brasil, Poland, China and so on...It boggles the mind why EMB is unable to stabilize prices.

I hope that they atleast hire someone to translate online help to Chinese, such big market could not be ignored.

You are really right. What a pity!
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Im'not sure but isn't it because China business hardly has a tradition of Copyright, so for every software program sold you get zillion illigal copies?
Maybe foreign companies are asking much money for their product in China to get at least some profit out of a sale.

From the wiki about the existing copyright in China:

"Despite this, copyright violations are common in the PRC,[1] and intellectual property violations are committed by prominent members
of the automotive and electronics industries."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_property_in_China
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Im'not sure but isn't it because China business hardly has a tradition of Copyright, so for every software program sold you get zillion illigal copies?
Maybe foreign companies are asking much money for their product in China to get at least some profit out of a sale.

From the wiki about the existing copyright in China:

"Despite this, copyright violations are common in the PRC,[1] and intellectual property violations are committed by prominent members
of the automotive and electronics industries."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_property_in_China

also..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright

and..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Italian_inventions

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I was most interested by this last link, but what is the relevance to the subject under discussion?

EM
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I was most interested by this last link, but what is the relevance to the subject under discussion?

EM

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Robert Triest wrote:

Im'not sure but isn't it because China business hardly has a
tradition of Copyright, so for every software program sold you get
zillion illigal copies? Maybe foreign companies are asking much
money for their product in China to get at least some profit out of a
sale.

From the wiki about the existing copyright in China:

"Despite this, copyright violations are common in the PRC,[1] and
intellectual property violations are committed by prominent members
of the automotive and electronics industries."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_property_in_China

Well, this just like catch 22, because the price is way too higher,
they can't afford, so they were "forced" to use illegal copies. if the
price is reasonable and affordable, who would use illegal copy?
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Robert Triest wrote:
Im'not sure but isn't it because China business hardly has a tradition of Copyright, so for every software program sold you get zillion illigal copies?
Maybe foreign companies are asking much money for their product in China to get at least some profit out of a sale.

From the wiki about the existing copyright in China:

"Despite this, copyright violations are common in the PRC,[1] and intellectual property violations are committed by prominent members
of the automotive and electronics industries."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_property_in_China

Despite copyright conscious in China has obviously improved nowadays.
Many foreign companies still make price higher than other countries.
I wonder that's all because those companies has uncomfortable experiences for sold software in China about illegal copyrights.

That become a vicious circle.
Higher price make less and less Chinese customers buy Delphi , that causes amount of books about Delphi in bookstore was decline.
Instead of copyright issue, People think that because Delphi is too expensive, EMBT had to price up software price.
In the end, Chinese customers still use illegal copyright of Delphi, and the software prices still remain high.

Why don't you EMBT trying to break this vicious circle?
Lower prices make Chinese business can afford to buy those product.
I mean, makes higher market rates in China first.

Maybe EMBT could provide special offer for for a period of time as observation period.
=================================================================
雖然中國的版權意識近年來提供了。
很多外商還是用高於其他國家的價格來出售。
不曉得是不是因為這些外商在中國賣軟體時因為盜版問題有不愉快的經驗。

這會變成惡性循環
過高的價格讓中國買 Delphi 的客戶愈來愈少,會造成書局裡Delphi的書量也減少。
對這個情況,人們會先想到的是價格太貴而不是因為版權的關係,那麼 EMBT 就必須再提高價格。
最後,中國用戶仍然使用盜版 Delphi, 軟體價格也居高不下。

為什麼你們 EMBT 不嘗試打破這個惡性循環?
降低價格讓中國的企業能夠負擔產品價格。
我的意思是,先衝高中國市佔率。

也許 EMBT 能提供一段時間的優惠做為觀察期。

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Robert Triest wrote:
Im'not sure but isn't it because China business hardly has a tradition of Copyright, so for every software program sold you get zillion illigal copies?
Maybe foreign companies are asking much money for their product in China to get at least some profit out of a sale.

From the wiki about the existing copyright in China:

"Despite this, copyright violations are common in the PRC,[1] and intellectual property violations are committed by prominent members
of the automotive and electronics industries."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_property_in_China

If we want to use pirated, also need to care about the price?

如果我们想用盗版,还用得着关心价格吗?
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Robert Triest wrote:
Im'not sure but isn't it because China business hardly has a tradition of Copyright, so for every software program sold you get zillion illigal copies?
Maybe foreign companies are asking much money for their product in China to get at least some profit out of a sale.

From the wiki about the existing copyright in China:

"Despite this, copyright violations are common in the PRC,[1] and intellectual property violations are committed by prominent members
of the automotive and electronics industries."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_property_in_China

Microsoft is fighting piracy in China for years by introducing special discounted prices for their products for China.

Responding to piracy by increasing prices simply means encouraging more piracy.
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Microsoft is fighting piracy in China for years by introducing special discounted prices for their products for China.

http://www.businessinsider.com/r-naked-pcs-lay-bare-microsofts-emerging-markets-problem-2014-10

"CEO Steve Ballmer reportedly told employees that, because of piracy, Microsoft earned less revenue in China
than in the Netherlands — with 1 percent of its population — even though China bought as many computers as the United States"
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"Farshad Mohajeri" wrote on Thu, 27 Nov 2014 01:41:32 -0800:

Responding to piracy by increasing prices simply means encouraging more piracy.

Or, it is a calculated decision to maximize revenue from the companies
they know will pay, rather than to lower prices and reduce revenue
from companies they know will pay in a gamble that more people will
make legitimate purchases.

Only Embarcadero knows, but cultures where piracy is the norm do not
make software sales an easy thing.

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  Posted: Nov 27, 2014 9:52 AM   in response to: Brandon Staggs in response to: Brandon Staggs
rather than to lower prices and reduce revenue from companies they know will pay in a gamble that more people will make legitimate purchases.

That sounds not a good idea.

SMEs got 99.5% of the total in China. (Sources: Chinese wiki)
http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%AD%E5%B0%8F%E5%9E%8B%E4%BC%81%E6%A5%AD#.E4.B8.AD.E5.9B.BD.E5.A4.A7.E9.99.86.E7.9A.84.E5.AE.9A.E4.B9.89

Those business has assets lower then $200,000 US dollors, event $100,000.

according to this news:
http://www.businessinsider.com/r-naked-pcs-lay-bare-microsofts-emerging-markets-problem-2014-10

"Microsoft earned less revenue in China than in the Netherlands"
Do you know how much is Dutch GNI? and how much is Chinese?

With GNI Ranking in top 10 in the world like Netherlands, purchases Delphi is totally easy.
However, China only got 72th in global ranking.

Those company who want Chinese business to pay higher charge is just not fair.
At least use the same standard for prices whoever sold those products.
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這聽起來不是很好的策略。
在中國有 99.5% 的中小企業 (來源:中文 wiki)
http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%AD%E5%B0%8F%E5%9E%8B%E4%BC%81%E6%A5%AD#.E4.B8.AD.E5.9B.BD.E5.A4.A7.E9.99.86.E7.9A.84.E5.AE.9A.E4.B9.89

這些企業的總資產也才 $200000 美金,有的甚至只有 $100000.

根據這個新聞
http://www.businessinsider.com/r-naked-pcs-lay-bare-microsofts-emerging-markets-problem-2014-10

"微軟在中國賺的錢比荷蘭還少"
你們知道荷蘭的人均所得是多少嗎?中國呢?

荷蘭的人均排全球前 10,當然買 Delphi 是一件容易的事。
但是中國只排了第 72。

這些公司想要中國企業付更高的費用是不公平的。
不管是哪間公司想賣產品到中國,至少在價格上採用相同的標準。
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  Posted: Nov 29, 2014 6:12 AM   in response to: cuteman wu in response to: cuteman wu
"cuteman wu" wrote on Thu, 27 Nov 2014 09:52:33 -0800:

Those company who want Chinese business to pay higher charge is just not fair.

Well, Embarcadero can sell for whatever price they want in whatever
markets. That's "fair." (I hate that word.) It's their property.

Maybe it's a bad idea for them to sell at the prices they are selling.
I have no idea; but I do know that China has a deep-rooted culture of
piracy (many cultures emerging from totalitarian communism have an
underdeveloped sense of private property; intellectual or otherwise)
and that makes things hard.

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Phillip Woon

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  Posted: Nov 29, 2014 4:19 PM   in response to: Brandon Staggs in response to: Brandon Staggs
Brandon Staggs wrote:
"cuteman wu" wrote on Thu, 27 Nov 2014 09:52:33 -0800:

Those company who want Chinese business to pay higher charge is just not fair.

Well, Embarcadero can sell for whatever price they want in whatever
markets. That's "fair." (I hate that word.) It's their property.

Maybe it's a bad idea for them to sell at the prices they are selling.
I have no idea; but I do know that China has a deep-rooted culture of
piracy (many cultures emerging from totalitarian communism have an
underdeveloped sense of private property; intellectual or otherwise)
and that makes things hard.

I love how Americans like to blame other countries for piracy. Hell, I can get Delphi here in the US without buying it. I have SA, and I choose to do so, but in my opinion, there probably is more piracy in the US.
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  Posted: Nov 30, 2014 6:46 AM   in response to: Phillip Woon in response to: Phillip Woon

I love how Americans like to blame other countries for piracy. Hell, I can get Delphi here in the US without buying it. I have SA, and I choose to do so, but in my opinion, there probably is more piracy in the US.
Are you seriously arguing software piracy rate is higher in the U.S.
than in China?
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  Posted: Nov 30, 2014 5:07 PM   in response to: Mike Margerum in response to: Mike Margerum
Mike Margerum wrote:

Are you seriously arguing software piracy rate is higher in the U.S.
than in China?

Of course, he isn't (well, at least that's what I think he'd).

After all, China has 172 prisoners per 100,000 population whereas USA has 707.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate

That simple comparison is enough to prove that there is a far higher percentage
of law abiding citizens in USA than in China.

Or is it the other way around? ;)
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  Posted: Nov 30, 2014 11:06 PM   in response to: Mike Margerum in response to: Mike Margerum
Mike Margerum wrote:

I love how Americans like to blame other countries for piracy. Hell, I can get Delphi here in the US without buying it. I have SA, and I choose to do so, but in my opinion, there probably is more piracy in the US.
Are you seriously arguing software piracy rate is higher in the U.S.
than in China?

Do you know for a fact it isn't? How would anyone know for sure? It is my experience that Americans tend to demonize populations they don't like.
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  Posted: Dec 1, 2014 4:24 AM   in response to: Phillip Woon in response to: Phillip Woon
Phillip Woon wrote:

It is my experience that Americans tend to demonize populations they
don't like.

It's my experience that every population tends to demonize populations
they don't like. Nothing unique to America.

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Phillip Woon

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  Posted: Nov 30, 2014 11:08 PM   in response to: Mike Margerum in response to: Mike Margerum
Mike Margerum wrote:

I love how Americans like to blame other countries for piracy. Hell, I can get Delphi here in the US without buying it. I have SA, and I choose to do so, but in my opinion, there probably is more piracy in the US.
Are you seriously arguing software piracy rate is higher in the U.S.
than in China?

Well, another answer is: I live in the US, not China, so I probably don't know. But in my experience, software piracy IS rampant in the US. I would even venture to say that everyone on this forum know of someone that pirates software or movies. You probably wouldn't see pirated software being sold in the US (but I think there are some sites that do sell those). But remember, the US is the origin of warez, bit torrent, etc. Does anyone really know how many illegal stuff is downloaded from these sites?

Edited by: Phillip Woon on Nov 30, 2014 11:15 PM

Edited by: Phillip Woon on Nov 30, 2014 11:16 PM
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  Posted: Nov 30, 2014 10:43 AM   in response to: Phillip Woon in response to: Phillip Woon
Phillip,

| ... in my opinion, there probably is more piracy in the US.

Unfortunately I suspect that you're wrong. <sigh>

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  Posted: Dec 1, 2014 12:17 AM   in response to: Quentin Correll in response to: Quentin Correll
Quentin Correll wrote:
Phillip,

| ... in my opinion, there probably is more piracy in the US.

Unfortunately I suspect that you're wrong. <sigh>

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Ok, perhaps you're right. But according to this, the US is number 3.

http://www.vilabs.com/hs-fs/hub/27030/file-2020064557-png/images/October-2014-Software-Piracy-Heatmap-1500.png

The average salary in China is around $4800/yr (maybe it's lower), and the average in the use is around $38K/yr. It's not an excuse, but a reason. If Delphi Enterprise cost $4000, that's almost a whole year salary for a Chinese person.
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  Posted: Dec 1, 2014 4:26 AM   in response to: Phillip Woon in response to: Phillip Woon
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r a Chinese person.

THe average Chinese person. THere are a lot (i.e. hundreds of
millions) of Chinese people who live in places without electricity,
much less a computer.

If you live in Shanghai, and are in the computer business, you are well
above average. I suspect you can afford Delphi.

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Markus Humm

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  Posted: Dec 1, 2014 12:09 PM   in response to: Phillip Woon in response to: Phillip Woon
Am 01.12.2014 09:17, schrieb Phillip Woon:
Quentin Correll wrote:
Phillip,

| ... in my opinion, there probably is more piracy in the US.

Unfortunately I suspect that you're wrong. <sigh>

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Ok, perhaps you're right. But according to this, the US is number 3.

http://www.vilabs.com/hs-fs/hub/27030/file-2020064557-png/images/October-2014-Software-Piracy-Heatmap-1500.png

The average salary in China is around $4800/yr (maybe it's lower), and the average in the use is around $38K/yr. It's not an excuse, but a reason. If Delphi Enterprise cost $4000, that's almost a whole year salary for a Chinese person.

Hello,

while the map is nice it doesn't tell us much because we don't know
exactly what they meassured. Did they meassure copies or value of those?
Which products where meassured? Maybe there's a bias in towards products
which are more in use in certain countries etc.?
Was the size of the population of each country factored in etc.?

Greetings

Markus
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  Posted: Dec 1, 2014 7:58 AM   in response to: Phillip Woon in response to: Phillip Woon
"Phillip Woon" wrote on Sat, 29 Nov 2014 16:19:14 -0800:

I love how Americans like to blame other countries for piracy.

That has nothing to do with what I have said. (Certainly piracy is a
problem everywhere.)

This isn't even arguable. There are plenty of places to go for clear
evidence that certain cultures are more difficult to sell software in
due to piracy REGARDLESS of pricing. For example:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00A22EXL8

Read it -- the guy is in a particularly good place to educate you on
piracy and its effects on legitimate sales.

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cuteman wu

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  Posted: Nov 30, 2014 7:03 PM   in response to: Brandon Staggs in response to: Brandon Staggs
Brandon Staggs wrote:
Maybe it's a bad idea for them to sell at the prices they are selling.
I have no idea; but I do know that China has a deep-rooted culture of
piracy (many cultures emerging from totalitarian communism have an
underdeveloped sense of private property; intellectual or otherwise)
and that makes things hard.

If Chinese government strongly asked citizen use legal copy, people had to do that.
like Japanese animation online was forbidden in Chinese website recently, if company had no copyrights about animation its website will forces to closed.

If government ask citizen abide the law, people had to do it.
I don't think that is different between American and Chinese.
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如果中國政府強烈要求人民使用正版,人就必須這麼做。
像最近日本線上動畫如果沒有版權就不能放在網站上一般,會被強迫關站的。

如果政付要求遵守法律,人們就必須遵命。
我不認為在這方便中國和美國有什麼不同。
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xe5up1super03 xe5up1super03 wrote:
To Embarcadero company,

We are developer of Delphi/C++ Builder in china, but the price is more expensive than before, and in china we just can buy architect edition, not any professional or other edition can be selected. we heard the price is up to 68,000RMB.

By internet, we know the price just $3000~4000 in other countries, so we want to know why the price is so high in china?
Though our country is so big, but it is just in development stage, and lots of companies are small, cannot afford such high price, so they tend to select some cheap development tools, such as c#, java and so on.

we heard the APEC have decided to reduce the tariff of software, it means RAD Studio will reduce price? And we wish that we can buy cheap Enterprise Edition or just DELPHI not include C++

Here are some tips for RAD Studio, we wish Architect Edition can reduce to 30000RMB, although it still more expensive than other countries, lots of companies can afford.

For DELPHI can get big development, we wish your company can consider this suggestion, and we hope your company also can supply free edition to university for education.

Your reply will be higly appreciated!

Chinese Delphi developer,

Hello,

When I last visited China (2005), there was a high level of software piracy in evidence - pirate copies of Delphi were on sale in Shenzhen. This meant that the volume of legitimate sales was small, which perhaps explained the high price of legitimate software in China. Or is software piracy now something of the past? That said, I agree that a low price policy commensurate with the local purchasing power would be a good strategy, and perhaps help to reduce any piracy activity that still exists.

As a general comment on this thread, there are some posters who are posting only in Chinese. It would be helpful if they were to also include an English translation, as English is language of communication of this forum. Posters of many different mother tongues make an effort to write in English, so as to share their valuable contributions with the greatest number of people. Or would the posters who write only in Chinese prefer others to be excluded from this conversation?

EM
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  Posted: Nov 28, 2014 8:22 AM   in response to: Enquiring Mind in response to: Enquiring Mind
As a general comment on this thread, there are some posters who are posting only in Chinese. It would be helpful if they were to also include an English translation, as English is language of communication of this forum. Posters of many different mother tongues make an effort to write in English, so as to share their valuable contributions with the greatest number of people. Or would the posters who write only in Chinese prefer others to be excluded from this conversation?

Well, somebody just have no confidence with posting English.
So a crowd of QQ ]users want embarcadero has Chinese forum, like Japanese (https://forums.embarcadero.com/category.jspa?categoryID=3).
(QQ is An IM, like MSN or Whats App, but developed by Chinese Business).

But you can ignore those Chinese post, there was no point in those reply.
They just want to sort of embarcadero ought to provide same price in China and care about Chinese customers.
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我们有权质疑 EMB 的价格策略。
EMB 有权继续一意孤行。

We have the right to question the EMB's price strategy.
EMB has the right to continue to persist in wilfully and arbitrarily.

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