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  Posted: Oct 21, 2014 9:27 AM
I see Code Rage 9 is coming up in a few days. Will there be a way for people who don't use email to attend?
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  Posted: Oct 21, 2014 9:32 AM   in response to: > Rich < in response to: > Rich <
Rich < wrote:
I see Code Rage 9 is coming up in a few days. Will there be a way for people who don't use email to attend?

Not sure if this is the answer you are looking for, but all sessions will be
uploaded to youtube the following week (or close to that after editing is done).
You just lose the ability to ask questions after the session and just see what
questions were asked.

Here are all the CodeRage 8 sessions

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLwUPJvR9mZHiaYvH9Xr7WuFCVYugC4d0w

I use youtube downloader to pull them locally to look at when I please (or
stream them downstairs to the big TV for instance).

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I see Code Rage 9 is coming up in a few days. Will there be a way for people who don't use email to attend?

Jeff is correct... just like all the other CodeRage sessions before. You can always go to our Youtube channel and see the archives https://www.youtube.com/user/EmbarcaderoTechNet
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  Posted: Oct 22, 2014 8:23 AM   in response to: John Frazier in response to: John Frazier
John Frazier wrote:

Jeff is correct... just like all the other CodeRage sessions before. You can always go to our Youtube channel and see the archives https://www.youtube.com/user/EmbarcaderoTechNet

Then the answer is no they have not provided a way for people who don't use email to attend CodeRage9.
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Then the answer is no they have not provided a way for people who don't use email to attend CodeRage9.

I wonder how many people this affects. I think it's probably a really small number.

They can e-mail me directly with their thoughts.

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  Posted: Oct 22, 2014 2:49 PM   in response to: Bruce McGee in response to: Bruce McGee
Bruce McGee wrote:

I wonder how many people this affects. I think it's probably a really small number.

They can e-mail me directly with their thoughts.

At first I was thinking not many. But I've noticed that more and more people are moving away from providing their email address on the web. So there could be lots who don't attend because they would rather just show up and enjoy the tracks instead of going through a registration and waiting for links to show up in email.

The best way to find out is to provide a way for people to show up and attend. Then see how many do it that way and how many pre-register.
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Rich wrote:

Bruce McGee wrote:

I wonder how many people this affects. I think it's probably a
really small number.

They can e-mail me directly with their thoughts.

At first I was thinking not many. But I've noticed that more and more
people are moving away from providing their email address on the web.
So there could be lots who don't attend because they would rather
just show up and enjoy the tracks instead of going through a
registration and waiting for links to show up in email.

I would be very surprised if there were more than a couple.

Seriously, is there even one single other person in these groups who
refuses to use e-mail?

The best way to find out is to provide a way for people to show up
and attend. Then see how many do it that way and how many
pre-register.

I'm with Charles. People are less likely to behave badly if they aren't
anonymous.

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  Posted: Oct 22, 2014 6:54 PM   in response to: Bruce McGee in response to: Bruce McGee
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I'm with Charles. People are less likely to behave badly if they aren't
anonymous.

How can entering an email address keep people from using the web anonymously? There are 120,000 malicious attacks a day on the internet. Requesting an email address won't help.

Even with all the ads that go through email. I haven't discovered anything new via email that I ended up purchasing in more than 10 years.

I have to ask you guys. Why are you so stuck on email? You guys aren't the "resist change at all cost" type are you?
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  Posted: Oct 22, 2014 7:35 PM   in response to: > Rich < in response to: > Rich <
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| I have to ask you guys. Why are you so stuck on email?

We aren't "stuck" on e-mail. We use it as a convenient way to
communicate regularly with family, friends and acquaintances.

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> Rich < wrote:
Bruce McGee wrote:

I'm with Charles. People are less likely to behave badly if they aren't
anonymous.

How can entering an email address keep people from using the web anonymously? There are 120,000 malicious attacks a day on the internet. Requesting an email address won't help.

We aren't talking about people using the web anonymously. We're talking about registering for an online event.

First, they get an idea of who is attending and who the repeat attendees are. It's possible that someone will fill in fake information and use a dummy e-mail that they set up just for this purpose, but I bet that's a tiny minority.

If someone does act up during the event, they can simply be booted out and blocked. Since these are named, registered users, they can't simply re-connect anonymously.

Even with all the ads that go through email. I haven't discovered anything new via email that I ended up purchasing in more than 10 years.

True, junk mail is a pain.

GMail has some pretty effective spam filters, though.

I have to ask you guys. Why are you so stuck on email? You guys aren't the "resist change at all cost" type are you?

For one thing, it lets me attend Embarcadero webinars. No fuss, no muss.

It's just another tool with more advantages than disadvantages, at least for me. Especially in our industry.

For example, if I'm doing contract work, some of it remotely, E-mail is invaluable for finding work, communicating with the people I do work for and providing support. It's also how I get most receipts and license/registration information from online purchases.

E-mail is probably the most ubiquitous communication tool I know of. Opting out might be an interesting social experiment, but it makes things that should be simple much harder. Kind of an unnecessary handicap.

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  Posted: Oct 23, 2014 11:05 AM   in response to: Bruce McGee in response to: Bruce McGee
Bruce McGee wrote:

If someone does act up during the event, they can simply be booted out and blocked. Since these are named, registered users, they can't simply re-connect anonymously.

In years past I think I remember registering less than an hour before an EMB event started and I got an email with a link in time to attend. So I still don't know how you're thinking anonymous people won't be able to attend even if they get tossed once.

For one thing, it lets me attend Embarcadero webinars. No fuss, no muss.

E-mail is probably the most ubiquitous communication tool I know of. Opting out might be an interesting social experiment, but it makes things that should be simple much harder. Kind of an unnecessary handicap.

I don't see your logic. You're saying:

1. Visit a website.
2. Enter information.
3. Wait for email that might not show up.
4. Enter URL at event time.

is easier than...

1. Visit a website and start attending the event directly.
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Rich wrote:

Bruce McGee wrote:

If someone does act up during the event, they can simply be booted
out and blocked. Since these are named, registered users, they
can't simply re-connect anonymously.

In years past I think I remember registering less than an hour before
an EMB event started and I got an email with a link in time to
attend. So I still don't know how you're thinking anonymous people
won't be able to attend even if they get tossed once.

If someone was bound and determined to attend anonymously, I suppose
they could set up a fake e-mail account and register with made up
information. Someone suggested that you could do the same thing.

But I doubt they would be able to re-register after the event started
if they behave badly and get tossed.

For one thing, it lets me attend Embarcadero webinars. No fuss, no
muss.

E-mail is probably the most ubiquitous communication tool I know
of. Opting out might be an interesting social experiment, but it
makes things that should be simple much harder. Kind of an
unnecessary handicap.

I don't see your logic. You're saying:

1. Visit a website.
2. Enter information.
3. Wait for email that might not show up.
4. Enter URL at event time.

is easier than...

1. Visit a website and start attending the event directly.

I think you're misreading what I wrote.

Since the current events require registration, which I think is a good
idea, having an e-mail makes attending much easier than not having one.

I don't think they should allow anonymous attendees to accommodate the
few (or one) who can't or won't use e-mail.

If enough people were affected, it might be worth their while to offer
an alternative. I still don't think it's anyone but you, though.

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  Posted: Oct 23, 2014 7:20 PM   in response to: Bruce McGee in response to: Bruce McGee
Bruce McGee wrote:

Someone suggested that you could do the same thing.

I'm not gonna' do that.

But I doubt they would be able to re-register after the event started
if they behave badly and get tossed.

If they had another email address?

Since the current events require registration, which I think is a good
idea, having an e-mail makes attending much easier than not having one.

OK. Yes.

If enough people were affected, it might be worth their while to offer
an alternative. I still don't think it's anyone but you, though.

Since it is open to the public. You can't conclude how many are not attending due to the need to register. There is no way to know who visits the site wanting to attend but doesn't register because it requires email. I think it would be a small number. But I'm just saying we don't have the information needed to know.
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W dniu 2014-10-24 o 04:25, > Rich < pisze:
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Since it is open to the public.

Not quite. It is open to all who registered.

You can't conclude how many are not attending due to the need to register.

But it is their problem. If someone really want to attend he can do it.

You made a choice to not have an e-mail, and they made a choice to
require registration. It is ok on both sides.

It is like going vegatarian and complain that you coulden't eat at Mc
Donalds. :-)

I do have an e-mail, but mainly use e-mail aliases to my real account.
Killing an alias is a one click and making temporary alias for an event
or particular registration process is a click and some letters to type.
No big deal - to eat a cake and still have a cake :-)
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Rich wrote:

Since it is open to the public. You can't conclude how many are not
attending due to the need to register. There is no way to know who
visits the site wanting to attend but doesn't register because it
requires email. I think it would be a small number. But I'm just
saying we don't have the information needed to know.

I haven't seen a single other person in the same situation here, but
this group isn't representative of the Delphi community.

And I suppose anyone refusing to use e-mail might have a hard time
sending Embarcadero an e-mail explaining their position.

I suppose a "send us a comment" link on the registration page might
help.

To be honest, I think this is such a tiny problem that I don't think
it's worth Embarcadero's time to accommodate corner cases like this. As
I mentioned, you are the only person in this field that I have seen
take this position. Ever.

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As I mentioned, you are the only person in this field that I have seen
take this position. Ever.

Cool... I'm not a sheep.
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Bruce McGee wrote:

As I mentioned, you are the only person in this field that I have seen
take this position. Ever.

Cool... I'm not a sheep.

As I wrote, interesting social experiment, but it definitely wouldn't work for me.

But I hope it helps you accomplish your particular goal.

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As I wrote, interesting social experiment, but it definitely wouldn't work for me.

But I hope it helps you accomplish your particular goal.

Thanks Bruce. It's working great so far. But I think it's not just leaving email that is the biggest help. It's moving to other alternatives that brings the best improvements.
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Rich wrote:

If enough people were affected, it might be worth their while to
offer an alternative. I still don't think it's anyone but you,
though.

Since it is open to the public. You can't conclude how many are not
attending due to the need to register.

Indeed. But before, when there was no need to register, there was much
more spam and junk out there. Oh, TeamB removed almost all of it, but
that was not so easy. So now you register, and if you tend not to
behave (e.g. by spamming, DOS-attacks, etc.), you can be thrown and
kept out.

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Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

Indeed. But before, when there was no need to register, there was much
more spam and junk out there. Oh, TeamB removed almost all of it, but
that was not so easy. So now you register, and if you tend not to
behave (e.g. by spamming, DOS-attacks, etc.), you can be thrown and
kept out.

Huh? Are you talking about CodeRage?
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Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

Indeed. But before, when there was no need to register, there was much
more spam and junk out there. Oh, TeamB removed almost all of it, but
that was not so easy. So now you register, and if you tend not to
behave (e.g. by spamming, DOS-attacks, etc.), you can be thrown and
kept out.

Huh? Are you talking about CodeRage?

I think he means these forums. Slightly different topic, but some of the same advantages apply.

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Bruce McGee wrote:

> Rich < wrote:
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

Indeed. But before, when there was no need to register, there was
much more spam and junk out there. Oh, TeamB removed almost all
of it, but that was not so easy. So now you register, and if you
tend not to behave (e.g. by spamming, DOS-attacks, etc.), you can
be thrown and kept out.

Huh? Are you talking about CodeRage?

I think he means these forums. Slightly different topic, but some of
the same advantages apply.

Hmmm... I came from a different thread and thought this was about the
forums.
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Rich wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

Indeed. But before, when there was no need to register, there was
much more spam and junk out there. Oh, TeamB removed almost all of
it, but that was not so easy. So now you register, and if you tend
not to behave (e.g. by spamming, DOS-attacks, etc.), you can be
thrown and kept out.

Huh? Are you talking about CodeRage?

I am talking about the fact that to post here, you must be registered.
This was not always the case, in the previous versions of these
newsgroups. In other words, I am talking about these forums.

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There is no way to know who visits the site wanting to attend but
doesn't register because it requires email.

There may not be hard data on that, but seriously, you are the only
technical professional I have ever heard of who doesn't have the
ability to sign up for something with an email address. I know lots
of people who rarely check their email, but they can still do so when
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Brandon Staggs wrote:

There may not be hard data on that, but seriously, you are the only
technical professional I have ever heard of who doesn't have the
ability to sign up for something with an email address. I know lots
of people who rarely check their email, but they can still do so when
needed.

I have the ability. I can create an email address any time I want. But I choose not to use email. CodeRage is the first thing I'll have to miss attending because I don't use email. So... Are you guys sure it's me? Or might it be that others are lagging behind?
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Are you guys sure it's me? Or might it be that others are lagging behind?

Pretty sure it's you.

I hope the downsides of your choice don't outweight the advantages.

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  Posted: Oct 24, 2014 10:01 AM   in response to: Bruce McGee in response to: Bruce McGee
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Pretty sure it's you.

I'm talking about producing online events. There are many other online events that can be attended without email. Forget my leaving email and ask yourself. Why are others moving away from requiring an email to attend?

I hope the downsides of your choice don't outweight the advantages.

Not being able to attend CodeRage is the first downside. Most of the things I used email for can be replaced with other tools or processes. That is probably the best part of this. Finding new tools. It's wonderful to leave less effective systems behind. The best advantage I've found so far is when working with others. With email you play the send a message and wait game. If you change to instant communication, no matter what tool you use, project management is much better.
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Bruce McGee wrote:

Pretty sure it's you.

I'm talking about producing online events.

I know.

There are many other online events that can be attended without email. Forget my leaving email and ask yourself. Why are others moving away from requiring an email to attend?

I don't know, but I have a pretty good idea why Embarcadero does and I don't disagree with them.

I hope the downsides of your choice don't outweight the advantages.

Not being able to attend CodeRage is the first downside. Most of the things I used email for can be replaced with other tools or processes. That is probably the best part of this. Finding new tools. It's wonderful to leave less effective systems behind. The best advantage I've found so far is when working with others. With email you play the send a message and wait game. If you change to instant communication, no matter what tool you use, project management is much better.

Is that much different than this forum discussion?

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  Posted: Oct 24, 2014 11:28 AM   in response to: Bruce McGee in response to: Bruce McGee
Bruce McGee wrote:

Is that much different than this forum discussion?

The NGs are the same. Post and wait. If we were under deadlines or something then this would not be a good tool. But as this is for enjoyment. The fact that it provides a way for anyone to join in makes it a good choose for social discussions.
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Are you guys sure it's me? Or might it be that others are lagging behind?

Pretty sure it's you.

It seems there may be others...

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/22/google_opens_inbox/

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It seems there may be others...

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/22/google_opens_inbox/

Those people have e-mail, just with a lot of hand holding.

Besides, I wouldn't describe Rich as "thick".
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  Posted: Oct 24, 2014 11:31 AM   in response to: Bruce McGee in response to: Bruce McGee
Bruce McGee wrote:

Besides, I wouldn't describe Rich as "thick".

Sometimes I wonder. I spent a lot of years getting spammed, waiting a week or two to hear back from someone on email only to call and find out they didn't get the email, having my email account send out erroneous emails because of being hacked, etc. So it's taken quite a while for it to sink in that I should move to something else.
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Robert Evans wrote:

It seems there may be others...

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/22/google_opens_inbox/

"We get more email now than ever, important information is buried inside messages, and our most important tasks can slip through the cracks – especially when we’re working on our phones,"

"For many of us, dealing with email has become a daily chore that distracts from what we really need to do – rather than helping us get those things done. If this all sounds familiar, then Inbox is for you."

See... Now who's behind the times? Yea... Booooooyaaah!!! :-)
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dealing with email has become a daily chore that distracts from what
we really need to do

I've never understood this argument. Email is part of twhat I
"really need to do". It's an important part of my job. It's not a
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Nick,

| I've never understood this argument. Email is part of twhat I
| "really need to do". It's an important part of my job. It's not a
| "distraction".

+1000!!!

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Nick Hodges wrote:

I've never understood this argument. Email is part of twhat I
"really need to do". It's an important part of my job. It's not a
"distraction".

I'm gonna' disagree but with some explanation. Is email really part of what you need to do? So you're saying that you can just send some joke emails and it will help you with your job? Or you could write a program that generates some random emails and when you click send you're getting work done? I can't speak for you but I think not. I think you use email to accomplish some other task and there could be better ways of accomplishing that task. So if the task is giving out work assignments you could do it via email or in a meeting. The point is your work is "giving out assignments" not emailing.

I'm not trying to give you a rough time. I'm just trying to get you to see things better. If I'm not getting the job done don't take it the wrong way.
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in a meeting.

Call a meeting to discuss something when I can do it via email? Really?

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Nick Hodges wrote:

Call a meeting to discuss something when I can do it via email? Really?

I don't know I'm just trying to get you to realize the mode of communication is not the point. It's getting the task completed that is your main concern. So if email gets it done for you then you use that. If a meeting is what gets it done then you do the meeting. If you have to fly somewhere and talk to the CEO then that's what you do.

For me emails has become the low-end of communications. I know it costs more to use others but some are more effective at getting work done.
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Rich wrote:

in a meeting.

Call a meeting to discuss something when I can do it via email? Really?

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Nick Hodges wrote:


Call a meeting to discuss something when I can do it via email?
Really?

I should add that this is a clear strength of email -- I can make
information known to disparate, ad hoc groups of people immediately and
in a few moments work.

Calling a meeting involves scheduling a meeting room at some point in
the future at a time when everyone may or may not make it, setting up a
conference call, etc.

You can't be serious.

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Nick Hodges wrote:

I should add that this is a clear strength of email -- I can make
information known to disparate, ad hoc groups of people immediately
and in a few moments work.

Calling a meeting involves scheduling a meeting room at some point in
the future at a time when everyone may or may not make it, setting up
a conference call, etc.

You can't be serious.

Nick, I don't think you need to waste any more time on this. All but
one of us agrees with you completely! Still, it takes all sorts, as
the saying goes........

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Steve Thackery wrote:

Nick, I don't think you need to waste any more time on this. All but
one of us agrees with you completely! Still, it takes all sorts, as
the saying goes........

True enough -- if someone doesn't want to use email, hey, to each his
own.

But don't be surprised if people thing you are strange. ;-)

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  Posted: Oct 25, 2014 8:49 AM   in response to: Nick Hodges in response to: Nick Hodges
Nick Hodges wrote:

True enough -- if someone doesn't want to use email, hey, to each his
own.

That's right. I really do find this much better. If I was working on a contract and someone was paying me to waste time getting joke emails then that would be different. But when I get to choose how my time is spent. I'm gonna' stick with what is most effective and not waste time on things that don't support reaching my goals.

But don't be surprised if people thing you are strange. ;-)

Yes but people thought cell phones were strange when they were as big as a book bag. People thought the internet was gonna' be a fad. You can't just go by what the layman thinks.
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Steve Thackery wrote:

Nick, I don't think you need to waste any more time on this.

Right. If you guys are trying to convince me to use email forget it. Things are much better for me now that I've left it behind.

I know others use email and find it good. That's great. If someone was paying me to use email for whatever reason then I would use it. Because that would be the agreement. But I'm not wasting my time with it. You guys go ahead.
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Right. If you guys are trying to convince me to use email forget it. Things are much better for me now that I've left it behind.

Heck, i'd love to leave it behind, but it's impossible to do if I want
to feed my family. There's no debating that.

However, I would like better email tools to lower the signal to noise
ratio. I'd love to get notifications for only "Favorited" sources on my
phone. There may be a way to do this already, but i didn't see anything
in gmail for this.

My real productivity killers are: Twitter, RSS, and these forums. I'm
an inherently curious person and I tend to go down every rabbit hole I
find on the net. Intellectually satisfying, but completely
counterproductive.

It also has the side effect of creating "Developaralysis"

http://techcrunch.com/2014/10/18/you-too-may-be-a-victim-of-developaralysis/
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Rich wrote:

Right. If you guys are trying to convince me to use email forget it.
Things are much better for me now that I've left it behind.

You are joking!! Nobody gives a toss about you not using email. We
are just chatting about it because it seems such a bizarre and silly
position to take.

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Steve Thackery wrote:

You are joking!!

Then why this in your post: "Nick, I don't think you need to waste any more time on this."

What does that mean then?
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Steve,

| We are just chatting about it because it seems such a bizarre and
silly
| position to take.

I feel sorry for Rich if he doesn't have any family or friends where
e-mail would allow him to keep in touch.

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Quentin Correll wrote:

I feel sorry for Rich if he doesn't have any family or friends where
e-mail would allow him to keep in touch.

Why would I do that?

It's better to visit in person or at the minimum call.
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,

| | I feel sorry for Rich if he doesn't have any family or friends
| | where e-mail would allow him to keep in touch.

| Why would I do that?
|

| It's better to visit in person or at the minimum call.

I retract my "tunnel vision" comment. You're just plain blind!!!

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Quentin Correll wrote:

I retract my "tunnel vision" comment. You're just plain blind!!!

What do you mean? Why would I be so cold as to send an email when I could call or visit?
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Rich wrote:

Quentin Correll wrote:

I retract my "tunnel vision" comment. You're just plain blind!!!

What do you mean? Why would I be so cold as to send an email when I
could call or visit?

Because a call or a visit is not the same as a simple e-mail.

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Nick Hodges wrote:

I should add that this is a clear strength of email -- I can make
information known to disparate, ad hoc groups of people immediately and
in a few moments work.

Right that's one of my points that no one is getting - "ad hoc". Email is the jack of all trades master of none. There are better ways to be more effective and eliminate the waste of email. They are focused and efficient. Don't let yourself spin out of control on this. Email is good for some and not for others.

Calling a meeting involves scheduling a meeting room at some point in
the future at a time when everyone may or may not make it, setting up a
conference call, etc.

You can't be serious.

I'm completely serious. Just like that commercial for collaboration software. The one where the people keep telling their boss that they'll send him an email or a text message. But the boss keeps saying "Hey we're here now. So let's get this done now. There's no reason to send me any more email." Those people are focused on dragging things out with more busy work. The boss is focused on getting work done.
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Rich wrote:

I'm completely serious. Just like that commercial for collaboration
software. The one where the people keep telling their boss that
they'll send him an email or a text message. But the boss keeps
saying "Hey we're here now. So let's get this done now. There's no
reason to send me any more email." Those people are focused on
dragging things out with more busy work. The boss is focused on
getting work done.

Counter example - Frequent, long running meetings with no clear agenda
that don't accomplish much.

Meetings can be useful if they're held for the right reasons and
include the right people. They can also be abused and become a time and
productivity sink.

Usually I think of them as a last resort.

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Bruce McGee wrote:

Counter example - Frequent, long running meetings with no clear agenda
that don't accomplish much.

Meetings can be useful if they're held for the right reasons and
include the right people. They can also be abused and become a time and
productivity sink.

I don't think that is a counter example. It's a way to describe the limitations and problems of meetings and how not to run them. Just like sending spam is not a counter example of meetings. It's a way to describe how not to use email. Am I reading your post right?
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Rich wrote:

Bruce McGee wrote:

Counter example - Frequent, long running meetings with no clear
agenda that don't accomplish much.

Meetings can be useful if they're held for the right reasons and
include the right people. They can also be abused and become a time
and productivity sink.

I don't think that is a counter example. It's a way to describe the
limitations and problems of meetings and how not to run them. Just
like sending spam is not a counter example of meetings. It's a way to
describe how not to use email. Am I reading your post right?

You're reading it right.

Anything can be abused. I probably wouldn't abolish in-person meetings,
though.

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Anything can be abused. I probably wouldn't abolish in-person meetings,
though.

You're just not thinking this through. Most people here aren't. I'm eliminating drawbacks, time wasters, etc. Email has benefits and drawbacks. Eliminating the drawbacks, most of them I've mentioned in this thread, has left few benefits. Those benefits I've replaced with other systems that provide a plethora of new benefits.

Take the suggestion by another to use a temp email. If I do that then I've, more or less, gone to instant messaging. With some of those temp systems they've gone more to a simple webpage that will show the registration code for me to copy and save to a file. Then the email is gone forever. I figure EMB is wanting email addresses for marketing purposes so I don't want to, in effect, trick them.
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Rich wrote:

Bruce McGee wrote:

Anything can be abused. I probably wouldn't abolish in-person
meetings, though.

You're just not thinking this through. Most people here aren't. I'm
eliminating drawbacks, time wasters, etc.

And also a useful means of communication. I also eliminated the
drawbacks, time wasters, etc. and can still use e-mail.

And e-mail is often a time saver, not a time waster.

Today, I had to change my private address at the Chamber of Dentistry.
I could have driven there, but that would have meant a one hour drive,
and back, wasting one afternoon. I could have sent snail-mail, but
would have to go to the post office, or send an assistant who would be
missing for more than half an hour, etc. Now I simply sent an e-mail
and a copy of my passport and hey presto, all is well.

The benefits of a-mail far outweigh time wasted if one or other
undesirable e-mails slip though the mazes. So while you think you are
eliminating drawbacks, time wasters, etc. IMO, you are eliminating a
time saver.

So maybe it is you who is not thinking this through, or perhaps you
have thought it through and have come to the wrong conclusion.
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Bruce McGee wrote:

Anything can be abused. I probably wouldn't abolish in-person meetings,
though.

You're just not thinking this through.

Sure I am. I'm just coming to a different conclusion than you are. Or my goals are different.

Take the suggestion by another to use a temp email. If I do that then I've, more or less, gone to instant messaging. With some of those temp systems they've gone more to a simple webpage that will show the registration code for me to copy and save to a file. Then the email is gone forever.

I think that suggestion was a way to let you not have a full time e-mail account and still register for Embarcadero events. Not so much as a long term alternative to e-mail in general.

I figure EMB is wanting email addresses for marketing purposes so I don't want to, in effect, trick them.

I also think this is a big part of their incentive to have people register.

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You're just not thinking this through. Most people here aren't.

How patronising! Just because we don't agree with you doesn't mean we
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Nick Hodges wrote:

I've never understood this argument. Email is part of twhat I
"really need to do". It's an important part of my job. It's not a
"distraction".

I'm gonna' disagree but with some explanation. Is email really part of what you need to do? So you're saying that you can just send some joke emails and it will help you with your job? Or you could write a program that generates some random emails and when you click send you're getting work done? I can't speak for you but I think not. I think you use email to accomplish some other task and there could be better ways of accomplishing that task. So if the task is giving out work assignments you could do i
t via email or in a meeting. The point is your work is "giving out assignments" not emailing.

I'm not trying to give you a rough time. I'm just trying to get you to see things better. If I'm not getting the job done don't take it the wrong way.

Hello,

the difference between e-mail and the alternative you mentioned
(directly phoning somebody has the same effect btw.) is, that e-mail is
asynchronous, thus the receiver can decide when to react while a meeting
requires the invited participants to be at the meeting point (or phone
conference) at the exact sheduled time. And if it involves people who
have to go to quite a few meetings over a day it can be a real pain to
find a suitable time where all necessary participants can actually attend.

Greetings

Markus
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Are you guys sure it's me?

Yes.

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Bruce McGee wrote:

If someone does act up during the event, they can simply be booted out and blocked. Since these are named, registered users, they can't simply re-connect anonymously.

In years past I think I remember registering less than an hour before an EMB event started and I got an email with a link in time to attend. So I still don't know how you're thinking anonymous people won't be able to attend even if they get tossed once.

For one thing, it lets me attend Embarcadero webinars. No fuss, no muss.

E-mail is probably the most ubiquitous communication tool I know of. Opting out might be an interesting social experiment, but it makes things that should be simple much harder. Kind of an unnecessary handicap.

I don't see your logic. You're saying:

1. Visit a website.
2. Enter information.
3. Wait for email that might not show up.
4. Enter URL at event time.

is easier than...

1. Visit a website and start attending the event directly.

Hello,

it might be that the technology used for streaming costs by the numbers
of attendees or something along that lines and it might be that they use
the registration process then to be able to restrict the number of
viewers if necessary.

Greetings

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Markus Humm wrote:

it might be that the technology used for streaming costs by the numbers
of attendees or something along that lines and it might be that they use
the registration process then to be able to restrict the number of
viewers if necessary.

Good point.
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Rich wrote:

Bruce McGee wrote:

I'm with Charles. People are less likely to behave badly if they
aren't anonymous.

How can entering an email address keep people from using the web
anonymously? There are 120,000 malicious attacks a day on the
internet. Requesting an email address won't help.

Even with all the ads that go through email. I haven't discovered
anything new via email that I ended up purchasing in more than 10
years.

I have to ask you guys. Why are you so stuck on email? You guys
aren't the "resist change at all cost" type are you?

I am guessing you are the same "Rich" who commented on David I's blog
about email. I've already replied to your comment showing you how to
use a disposable email address so that you can register for CodeRage
and participate.

If you choose to not use email that's fine - many people, in fact
probably all but you - find email useful and use it. Even Richard
Stallman (the craziest genius I know of) uses email. He uses it in a
very unusual way, I think by employing curl to get the email and then
reading it in Emacs - but he, prime advocate of doing things to suit
his beliefs even if they are at odds with general practices (more power
to him), yes he uses email.

https://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html

Implying that we're all some kind of luddites for not eschewing email
is pretentious and insulting - even if you do frame it as some kind of
passive-aggressive question. If you choose not to use email then go
ahead. If there's some kind of registration system that requires an
email to get registered since that's how a billion other people
communicate then use one of the methods I described there and you're
golden - no spam for you, no offers that you can resist, no tracking of
your proclivities and no tin-foil hat required.

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For a fairly loopy guy (imho, of course), RMS has some decidedly non-loopy thoughts.

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For a fairly loopy guy (imho, of course), RMS has some decidedly
non-loopy thoughts.

I think he's superb. He is definitely a 'free-thinker' (in pretty much
every sense of the word) but there's also a lot of sense that comes out
of him too. Just always make sure to call Linux "GNU/Linux" though in
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I think he's superb.

I'm not into politics but his computing stuff is cool. I think I'm only gonna' try going without email for now. I'm not as big into computing anymore to warrant getting that deep into his approach.

But thanks for the link.
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  Posted: Oct 23, 2014 11:17 AM   in response to: Ian Barker in response to: Ian Barker
Ian Barker wrote:

I am guessing you are the same "Rich" who commented on David I's blog
about email. I've already replied to your comment showing you how to
use a disposable email address so that you can register for CodeRage
and participate.

I was just asking if there is a way to attend without using email. EMB has the right to handle attending however they see fit. At this stage I'm just responding to questions and comments from other people. I still feel EMB can handle it the way they want.

If you choose to not use email that's fine - many people, in fact
probably all but you - find email useful and use it. Even Richard
Stallman (the craziest genius I know of) uses email. He uses it in a
very unusual way, I think by employing curl to get the email and then
reading it in Emacs - but he, prime advocate of doing things to suit
his beliefs even if they are at odds with general practices (more power
to him), yes he uses email.

I don't know if you can say he uses email. If a server accepts communications in email format then converts to some other format before he even gets the message. I would have to say then that the sender uses email but the receiver does not. Or what if he has someone who reads emails that come in to one or more email addresses. Ignores the junk then communicates the important information to him. That would be another situation where I would say he doesn't use email. Just some thoughts.

Implying that we're all some kind of luddites for not eschewing email
is pretentious and insulting - even if you do frame it as some kind of
passive-aggressive question.

I'm not saying that you're letting your imagination run wild.

If you choose not to use email then go
ahead. If there's some kind of registration system that requires an
email to get registered since that's how a billion other people
communicate then use one of the methods I described there and you're
golden - no spam for you, no offers that you can resist, no tracking of
your proclivities and no tin-foil hat required.

Thanks but I'll stick with not using email for now. It's working nice so far. I'm not telling anyone else not to use email. I do many things on the internet that don't require email and so far this no email thing is really turning out to be a great approach.
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  Posted: Oct 23, 2014 5:42 AM   in response to: > Rich < in response to: > Rich <
"> Rich" wrote on Wed, 22 Oct 2014 18:54:50 -0700:

I have to ask you guys. Why are you so stuck on email?

Aside from the fact that I enjoy the efficient communication medium
email provides, and that I use it more than telephone, SMS, and postal
mail:

EVERY DAY I use services that require email accounts. Earlier this
week I bought a bunch of new computer hardware at Amazon.com. Why
would I give up email and go to a local computer store where the
selection is not as good and the prices are higher?

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  Posted: Oct 23, 2014 11:28 AM   in response to: Brandon Staggs in response to: Brandon Staggs
Brandon Staggs wrote:

EVERY DAY I use services that require email accounts. Earlier this
week I bought a bunch of new computer hardware at Amazon.com. Why
would I give up email and go to a local computer store where the
selection is not as good and the prices are higher?

I know many people who would rather shop at a store. But I think it's best to have both options.
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  Posted: Oct 23, 2014 6:32 AM   in response to: > Rich < in response to: > Rich <
Rich wrote:

Why are you so stuck on email?

Because it's an effective communication tool.

How can you even hold a job in the tech community without email?

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  Posted: Oct 23, 2014 12:10 PM   in response to: Nick Hodges in response to: Nick Hodges
Nick Hodges wrote:

How can you even hold a job in the tech community without email?

Ahh... A really great question. One that gets right to one of the most important points I struggled with when deciding to leave email behind. First we should take a moment to set the scene:

The whole idea of leaving email arises from a process that helps a person become more efficient and effective. It is a process where you examine all your tasks to determine if they are required or not and if they directly support you in reaching your objectives. Before we go any further. Entertainment or wasting time can be the objective. The point is to know your objective and support your efforts in reaching it.

You have the 1% and the 99%. Actually I think it's more 3% and 97%. The 1% control most of the wealth and have most of the power in the US. You also have people who are champions in various sports. There are very few of them and they always seem to do things a bit differently then the rest. These success stories always seem to include people who are not doing things that don't help them reach their goals. They always seem to be working or training etc. But yet they don't seem to talk about what they do as if it is work!

The process then is about making sure you don't waste time doing things that don't support reaching your objectives. You take the time to analyze all your activities. You then determine if they are helping you reach your objective. Not only that but you determine if they are the best activities to help you reach your objective. If they do not help or there are better ways. Then you eliminate them or replace them with something better.

In the case of email. I found that I would waste time with things that were not helping me reach my objectives. In many cases I was not able to determine up front if they were worth my time. That is a huge problem because it allows a person to get caught up in things that derail them from their focus and prevents them from reaching their objective. Some things were easy to just delete as others here have mentions. But some times you could send an email and receive a response. Then wait a week only to find out nothing was being done even though you were getting emails that made it seem like all is well. Also email is being used by every low-level non-decision maker out there. This means that my time could be and was being wasted by people who really didn't have any influence on whether or not I would reach my objective. Now, again, entertainment can be the objective so you have to keep in mind that every objective has a different set of criteria for use during the analysis.

Here's to your question Nick. Since I was saw that I could waste a bunch of time either talking to or sending information to non-decision makers. I found that the ROI on work searches was very very very low when using email. BUT... Not just because, at times, I wasn't getting responses. But also because I was thinking that what I was doing was accomplishing something. When in reality the communications were either not being received or were purposefully being routed to an email address that wasn't checked. All to make things look legit.

Back to the process. So after more analysis and seeing the rewards of replacement activities. I concluded that email was not for me. It was too easy to waste time and effort for what little return I received. Now I don't have the frustrations I had using email and I'm not performing activities stemming from email that don't provide a good return. That doesn't mean there are no uses for email but for me it was mostly busy work and not directly supporting me in reaching my objective.

To finish up I find more and more that the 1% or champions seem to stay focused on what is most effective for them. They eliminate the time wasting. Again every objective is different. What might look like entertainment maybe say twitting. Would in the case of a celebrity be very important work. Because it let's a celebrity fulfill the requirements of their promotion contract. I know you guys are gonna' get wound up and start to pick this stuff apart to defend your use of email. But there is no reason for that as I am not telling you not to use email. I'm am telling you I've moved away from it. You do what you want. I also apply this to development. Instead of just immediately starting to type in code. I instead think through what I'm wanting to build, my objective, then do a bit of deign. Then code when I'm confident I know for sure what I need to do. So I've eliminated one method in this case hacking for another in this case purposeful development.
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  Posted: Oct 23, 2014 5:20 AM   in response to: > Rich < in response to: > Rich <
> Rich < wrote:
Bruce McGee wrote:

I wonder how many people this affects. I think it's probably a really small number.

They can e-mail me directly with their thoughts.

At first I was thinking not many. But I've noticed that more and more people are moving away from providing their email address on the web. So there could be lots who don't attend because they would rather just show up and enjoy the tracks instead of going through a registration and waiting for links to show up in email.

The best way to find out is to provide a way for people to show up and attend. Then see how many do it that way and how many pre-register.

I'm curious Rich, when you work on contracts, how do you communicate with your clients?
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  Posted: Oct 23, 2014 12:18 PM   in response to: Phillip Woon in response to: Phillip Woon
Phillip Woon wrote:

I'm curious Rich, when you work on contracts, how do you communicate with your clients?

There are many ways. First you must think of the objective. Read my above post. If the objective is to share code use a version control system. If the objective is to share requirements use a document sharing or collaboration system. If the objective is to finalize a contract have a meeting.

If you want to send a joke around the office send it via email but don't send it to me as I don't use email. <- That's just some fun for me because these guys are giving me a hard time about not using email.
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  Posted: Oct 27, 2014 12:24 PM   in response to: > Rich < in response to: > Rich <
> Rich < wrote:
Phillip Woon wrote:

I'm curious Rich, when you work on contracts, how do you communicate with your clients?

There are many ways. First you must think of the objective. Read my above post. If the objective is to share code use a version control system. If the objective is to share requirements use a document sharing or collaboration system. If the objective is to finalize a contract have a meeting.

If you want to send a joke around the office send it via email but don't send it to me as I don't use email. <- That's just some fun for me because these guys are giving me a hard time about not using email.

So, instead of email, you use a phone, or a document management system, or a version control system. Yes, those would work. You do realize , however, that you may be the only person with a computer that don't use email?
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  Posted: Oct 22, 2014 8:06 PM   in response to: Bruce McGee in response to: Bruce McGee

They can e-mail me directly with their thoughts.
Hahahhhahaaha;)
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  Posted: Oct 24, 2014 12:47 AM   in response to: Bruce McGee in response to: Bruce McGee
Bruce McGee wrote:

> Rich < wrote:

Then the answer is no they have not provided a way for people who
don't use email to attend CodeRage9.

I wonder how many people this affects. I think it's probably a really
small number.

Yes, probably.

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  Posted: Oct 22, 2014 9:15 AM   in response to: > Rich < in response to: > Rich <
On 22/10/2014 16:23, > Rich < wrote:
John Frazier wrote:

Jeff is correct... just like all the other CodeRage sessions before. You can always go to our Youtube channel and see the archives https://www.youtube.com/user/EmbarcaderoTechNet

Then the answer is no they have not provided a way for people who don't use email to attend CodeRage9.

There are a great many on-line activities that cannot be accessed
without email. I'm not sure I want to attend if there will be
deliberately obtuse people there asking questions or trolling.

CB
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  Posted: Oct 22, 2014 2:55 PM   in response to: Charles B in response to: Charles B
Charles B wrote:

There are a great many on-line activities that cannot be accessed
without email. I'm not sure I want to attend if there will be
deliberately obtuse people there asking questions or trolling.

I'm not seeing any indication on the web that requiring an email does anything to curb foolish activities. In fact the people who are best at it have all the right "web credentials" ready and waiting to be used and then discarded at will.
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  Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:53 PM   in response to: > Rich < in response to: > Rich <
Rich < &lt;&gt; wrote in news:698672 at forums dot embarcadero dot com:

Then the answer is no they have not provided a way for people who
don't use email to attend CodeRage9.

I've asked before - but can you provide a mechanism that doesn't involve
email that would allow you to attend ?

What method of free communication to you would you find more acceptable ?

They have to send you an ID - I'm asking you how they should get that ID to
you ?

Maybe then - they can implement it, until then - you have decided not to
attend - plain and simple.
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  Posted: Oct 23, 2014 12:25 PM   in response to: Christopher Burke in response to: Christopher Burke
Christopher Burke wrote:

While I didn't like your comment in another thread where you implied I wasn't smart enough to understand what you were talking about even though your code didn't work. I'm going to answer your questions.

I've asked before - but can you provide a mechanism that doesn't involve
email that would allow you to attend ?

Yes there are bunches of people providing events on the web where you can just hit a website and start attending.

What method of free communication to you would you find more acceptable ?

You'll need to provide a context. Because email is not the only form of communication and the context will impact my answer.

They have to send you an ID - I'm asking you how they should get that ID to you ?

I'm going to have to answer your question with a question: The registration web page has bunches of text on it. Why would a webpage not work?

Maybe then - they can implement it, until then - you have decided not to attend - plain and simple.

You don't need to try to tell me what I've decided. I'll make my own decisions. You make yours.
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  Posted: Oct 24, 2014 1:58 PM   in response to: > Rich < in response to: > Rich <
Rich < &lt;&gt; wrote in news:698983 at forums dot embarcadero dot com:

They have to send you an ID - I'm asking you how they should get that
ID to you ?

I'm going to have to answer your question with a question: The
registration web page has bunches of text on it. Why would a webpage
not work?

A webpage would work, I even showed you how to do that right now - however
you decided not to.


Maybe then - they can implement it, until then - you have decided not
to attend - plain and simple.

You don't need to try to tell me what I've decided. I'll make my own
decisions. You make yours.

I just said you decided, as you just agreed.

I also agree, sometimes decisions are out of our hands - I'm just genuinely
trying to find out how on earth they can send you a registration ID without
some form of communications.

I can only think of email, fax, SMS, snail mail, telephone call ... of
those only one seems practical.
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  Posted: Oct 24, 2014 5:40 PM   in response to: Christopher Burke in response to: Christopher Burke
Christopher Burke wrote:

A webpage would work, I even showed you how to do that right now - however
you decided not to.

I don't do the web work at EMB. I can't change how they do things.

I also agree, sometimes decisions are out of our hands - I'm just genuinely
trying to find out how on earth they can send you a registration ID without
some form of communications.

You just said above that "A webpage would work..."
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  Posted: Oct 24, 2014 8:35 PM   in response to: > Rich < in response to: > Rich <
Rich < &lt;&gt; wrote in news:699256 at forums dot embarcadero dot com:

You just said above that "A webpage would work..."

Yes - but you decided not to use that option.
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  Posted: Oct 23, 2014 5:48 AM   in response to: > Rich < in response to: > Rich <
A copy of my reply to you on the Ebarcadero community pages...


Rich - I think you're weird for not using email :-) although I've seen
a few cogent arguments for this idea in the past; however that said try
one of the following:

http://10minutemail.com/10MinuteMail/index.html

https://www.guerrillamail.com

http://getairmail.com

There are several others too.

Bjarne is definitely worth registering to see. (A small disclaimer, I
am also a presenter at this conference - "Your First iOS Enterprise
App: From Compile to Final Release", session #38, day three).

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  Posted: Oct 23, 2014 12:25 PM   in response to: Ian Barker in response to: Ian Barker
Ian Barker wrote:
A copy of my reply to you on the Ebarcadero community pages...

Thanks Ian. I saw that on the blog.
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