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  Posted: Oct 20, 2014 8:31 PM
Has anyone here who uses community.embarcadero.com noticed that more and more features are not working? I was able to message people but now that doesn't work. When I click various feature links all that happens is a blank dialog box appears.
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> Rich < wrote:
Has anyone here who uses community.embarcadero.com noticed that more and more features are not working? I was able to message people but now that doesn't work. When I click various feature links all that happens is a blank dialog box appears.

No, but I've noticed that EMB made a new(!?) site "http://community.embarcadero.com/" and I am wondering what are they doing? What is the reason for making a new site with a new forum?
They should improve the old site, probably migrate all topics from here to some decent forum engine because this is a nightmare...
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  Posted: Oct 21, 2014 1:24 AM   in response to: Dimitrij Kowalski in response to: Dimitrij Kowalski
Dimitrij Kowalski wrote:
because this is a nightmare...

Talking about nightmares, when will the QC server work again? The IDE
QC client keeps returning the service is unavailable.
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  Posted: Oct 21, 2014 1:43 AM   in response to: Dominique Willems in response to: Dominique Willems
Dominique Willems wrote:
Dimitrij Kowalski wrote:
because this is a nightmare...

Talking about nightmares, when will the QC server work again? The IDE
QC client keeps returning the service is unavailable.

Talking about nightmares in QC I just got known that Delphi can return an "unitialized" string from a function and it will not warn me about this. And guess what?
This will not be fixed:

http://qc.embarcadero.com/wc/qcmain.aspx?d=82266
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3250827/initialise-string-function-result
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  Posted: Oct 21, 2014 2:00 AM   in response to: Dimitrij Kowalski in response to: Dimitrij Kowalski
Dimitrij Kowalski wrote:

Talking about nightmares in QC I just got known that Delphi can
return an "unitialized" string from a function and it will not warn
me about this. And guess what? This will not be fixed:

http://qc.embarcadero.com/wc/qcmain.aspx?d=82266
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3250827/initialise-string-function-result

Because strings are initialized to ''. There are no "uninitialized"
strings. There is nothing to fix.

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  Posted: Oct 21, 2014 2:06 AM   in response to: Rudy Velthuis (... in response to: Rudy Velthuis (...
{quote:title=Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:}

Because strings are initialized to ''. There are no "uninitialized"
strings. There is nothing to fix.

Dear Rudy,

pardon for my expressive way of saying this but: "what a hell are you talking about?:)" Read the links I've provided before commenting on the matter.

Result in a function is not initialized in each execution of the function, instead it is reused over and over again because it behaves like it would have been passed as var parameter.

Edited by: Dimitrij Kowalski on Oct 21, 2014 2:19 AM Changed "after" to "in"
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Dimitrij Kowalski wrote:

Result in a function is not initialized after each execution of the
function, instead it is reused over and over again because it behaves
like it would have been passed as var parameter.

Indeed. So it is initialized, unless you give it a different value.
Hence no warning or hint.

In other words: just like other result variables, you should explicitly
set their value before you return, otherwise it will remain what it
used to be. The same applies to other kinds of results, like records.

There is nothing they should do about that. I wonder why that would be
a nightmare.

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{quote:title=Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:}
There is nothing they should do about that. I wonder why that would be
a nightmare.

A nightmare is when you forgot to initialize result and because of that you need to spend a lot of time trying to find a bug. All this could be avoided if compiler would emmit a warning for all types.
I understand why it works as it works but this behaviour is misleading. Since we pay for high level languages we expect from them to make life easier for the developer not the other way around.
That is why in my (and few others) opinion it should be changed, to make our life easier. I do not want to learn after 15 years of Delphi developement that on 253 page of Delphi book there is a special rule regarding few certain variables and the way how they work in functions. Because then I would feel like I would be reading C++ Stroustrup's book.

Edited by: Dimitrij Kowalski on Oct 21, 2014 8:05 AM
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  Posted: Oct 21, 2014 7:57 AM   in response to: Dimitrij Kowalski in response to: Dimitrij Kowalski
Dimitrij Kowalski wrote:

{quote:title=Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:}
There is nothing they should do about that. I wonder why that would
be a nightmare.

A nightmare is when you forgot to initialize result and because of
that you need to spend a lot of time trying to find a bug.

Yes, but that is a self made nightmare. Happens with integers and
doubles as well.

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Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
Dimitrij Kowalski wrote:

{quote:title=Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:}
There is nothing they should do about that. I wonder why that would
be a nightmare.

Yes, but that is a self made nightmare. Happens with integers and
doubles as well.

Rudy, the point is that in case of integers and doubles you got a warning message...that is all about. I do not know if you are arguing for the sake of argument or what..:)
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Dimitrij Kowalski wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
Dimitrij Kowalski wrote:

{quote:title=Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:}
There is nothing they should do about that. I wonder why that
would be a nightmare.

Yes, but that is a self made nightmare. Happens with integers and
doubles as well.

Rudy, the point is that in case of integers and doubles you got a
warning message...

Yes, but since strings are never uninitialized, you don't get them for
strings.

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> Rich < wrote:
Has anyone here who uses community.embarcadero.com noticed that
more and more features are not working? I was able to message
people but now that doesn't work. When I click various feature
links all that happens is a blank dialog box appears.

No, but I've noticed that EMB made a new(!?) site
"http://community.embarcadero.com/" and I am wondering what are they
doing? What is the reason for making a new site with a new forum?

I guess they eventually want to get rid of these and present something
with a fresher look. I personally hope they keep this one up for many
years to go, as the other one does not have NNTP access, and that is a
big problem, IMO. Because no matter how good it looks, it is still a
click-and-wait interface, which is far less usable than NNTP.

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Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

I guess they eventually want to get rid of these and present something
with a fresher look.

The new site community.embarcadero.com (not forums.embarcadero.com) is really nice except it's been on the fritz for the past few days.
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Rich wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

I guess they eventually want to get rid of these and present
something with a fresher look.

The new site community.embarcadero.com (not forums.embarcadero.com)
is really nice except it's been on the fritz for the past few days.

It does not support NNTP. I don't care if it looks nice.

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It does not support NNTP. I don't care if it looks nice.

I didn't say "looks nice". I said is nice. There are some good features!
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Rich wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

It does not support NNTP. I don't care if it looks nice.

I didn't say "looks nice". I said is nice. There are some good
features!

None compare to NNTP.

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NNTP died in about 2001 IIRC.

None compare to NNTP.
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None compare to NNTP.

NNTP died in about 2001 IIRC.

No, it didn't. I am using it right now, and it is much, much better
than any web forum, no matter how convenient that may look.

NNTP clients can be chosen to do what I want, and provide much better
ways of navigation. They also show, if I want, much more information at
once. And they make me independent of the format the web forum offers.
NNTP is pure content, and the client can be made to do a lot more than
a website, no matter how pretty, and even if it provides a certain
amount of customization, can do. With a good client like XanaNews
(which I am using now), Gravity or Forté Agent, it is much more
powerful.

And NNTP is much faster, if properly set up. I didn't call web forums
click-and-wait for nothing.

And NNTP gives you your own message base you can browse, so you are not
dependent on the search facilities of the forum.

There are quite a few more advantages, and many people still prefer
NNTP over web forums. I certainly do.

Web forums are perhaps a little prettier, and don't require a special
client, and even can be accessed on a platform that does not have any
good NNTP clients, but that is their only advantage.

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Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

Jeff Dyer wrote:

None compare to NNTP.

NNTP died in about 2001 IIRC.

No, it didn't. I am using it right now, and it is much, much better
than any web forum, no matter how convenient that may look.

+1 for NNTP - I'm using it too and concur with Rudy; it's way quicker
and a lot more convenient.

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No, it didn't. I am using it right now, and it is much, much better
than any web forum, no matter how convenient that may look.

Absolutely agree by 1 zillion percent! Jeff obviously hasn't made an
effort to familiarise himself with a decent NNTP client, or he wouldn't
even begin to think NNTP is dead, or that web-based forums are better.

There is NOTHING like a good NNTP client for a dense, easy-to-navigage,
easy-to-search and intuitive window onto the forums. No web forum
comes even close.

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Absolutely agree by 1 zillion percent! Jeff obviously hasn't made an
effort to familiarise himself with a decent NNTP client, or he wouldn't
even begin to think NNTP is dead, or that web-based forums are better.

It all depends on your objective.
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Rich wrote:

Steve Thackery wrote:

Absolutely agree by 1 zillion percent! Jeff obviously hasn't made
an effort to familiarise himself with a decent NNTP client, or he
wouldn't even begin to think NNTP is dead, or that web-based forums
are better.

It all depends on your objective.

If your objective is to have something pretty but slow and in many ways
inconvenient then, indeed, web forums may be for you. <g>

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If your objective is to have something pretty but slow and in many ways
inconvenient then, indeed, web forums may be for you. <g>

My objective is to not use and manage a client for the NGs.
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My objective is to not use and manage a client for the NGs.

Why do you have that as an objective? That sounds like prejudice, to
me, and distinctly irrational. I've always felt those qualities don't
mix with a career in software engineering.

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Steve Thackery wrote:

Rich wrote:

My objective is to not use and manage a client for the NGs.

Why do you have that as an objective? That sounds like prejudice, to
me, and distinctly irrational. I've always felt those qualities don't
mix with a career in software engineering.

I guess it is like the aversion against email. <g>

Well, I'd rather be flown to work, but it is much more practical and
cheaper to just drive. <g>

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Rich wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

If your objective is to have something pretty but slow and in many
ways inconvenient then, indeed, web forums may be for you. <g>

My objective is to not use and manage a client for the NGs.

OK, some people's objective is to live in a cabin in the woods and to
hunt and gather their own food, but well, that is their decision. Most
of them don't work in IT. <g>

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OK, some people's objective is to live in a cabin in the woods and to
hunt and gather their own food, but well, that is their decision. Most
of them don't work in IT. <g>

You don't work in IT either.

Now that I've let go of email. My day is great. The first few weeks I would start up my computer and the dread of email would hit me right away. I would remember getting rid of any spam. Wondering if the people I sent a message to yesterday actually received it. Hope no one hacked my email and sent out a bunch of information from my account to people it should not go to. Or sent a bunch of spam to my contact list. Etc.

These days I talk with people who can form complete sentences. I don't get messages using one letter in place of full words. When I work with people they are prepared to complete tasks. They don't send ambiguous messages that make it seem like they are getting work done. If I meet with anyone they have their work done or they reschedule so my time is not wasted. It's great and it fits my work processes much better.
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Rich wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

OK, some people's objective is to live in a cabin in the woods and
to hunt and gather their own food, but well, that is their
decision. Most of them don't work in IT. <g>

You don't work in IT either.

Not sure how that matters. Even people who don't work in IT use e-mail.
<g>

Now that I've let go of email. My day is great.

I haven't let go of e-mail, and yet may day is great too. <shrug>
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Rudy,

| and yet may day is great too. <shrug>

May day only comes once a year.

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May day only comes once a year.

See that. Yet another draw back to email.
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| | May day only comes once a year.
|
| See that. Yet another draw back to email.

<g>

BTW, while you are entitled to your personal opinions, I personally
think your position on e-mail is a case of "tunnel vision." However,
I'm glad it works for you.

My wife and I have family and friends across the USA and around the
world, including Australia, England, Germany, Switzerland, The
Netherlands, etc., and cannot imagine not having e-mail in this modern
age to keep in touch and handle family business!

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However,
I'm glad it works for you.

Thanks.

My wife and I have family and friends across the USA and around the
world, including Australia, England, Germany, Switzerland, The
Netherlands, etc., and cannot imagine not having e-mail in this modern
age to keep in touch and handle family business!

That's cool. I would rather go there in person or call. Just sending emails would start to bother me. I would be thinking of being there and getting dinner with them and seeing the expressions during conversations. I would just be all lamed out about sending emails only.
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Rich wrote:

Quentin Correll wrote:

However,
I'm glad it works for you.

Thanks.

My wife and I have family and friends across the USA and around the
world, including Australia, England, Germany, Switzerland, The
Netherlands, etc., and cannot imagine not having e-mail in this
modern age to keep in touch and handle family business!

That's cool. I would rather go there in person or call.

Going to all these places around the world is not as easy as sending an
e-mail. Calling is also a problem, with all those different timezones
around the world. An E-mail is much much more convenient, especially if
it is a simple info, or a few photos or some such.

But, if you're happy with it, it's your choice. Like I said: stop
looking down on those who do not share your aversion.
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| I would rather go there in person or call.

Absolutely LUDICROUS! Spend tens of thousands of $$$ on travel??? You
can't send legal documents on phone calls.

Wake up to the real world, Rich!!!

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Absolutely LUDICROUS! Spend tens of thousands of $$$ on travel??? You
can't send legal documents on phone calls.

I don't visit people outside the US. So I would only travel internationally for business. But I know people who visit their relatives outside the US at least once a year.

Wake up to the real world, Rich!!!

You can drop box the docs!

Quentin why do you insist on believing email is something that is required? People live their lives and work with legal documents around the world everyday without using email. I meet people all the time who don't use email. Some have email but just to say they have it. I've met people, important successful people, who think if you say "Send me an email" or "I'll send you and email" that you're blowing them off and they get offended. Can't you realize that some people just plain don't use email. I'm not the first and I won't be the last.
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Rich wrote:

Quentin Correll wrote:

Absolutely LUDICROUS! Spend tens of thousands of $$$ on travel???
You can't send legal documents on phone calls.

But, Q, you could fax them. <g>

I don't visit people outside the US.

Figures. <g>

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Rudy,

| But, Q, you could fax them. <g>

LOL!

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Rich wrote:

Quentin Correll wrote:

Absolutely LUDICROUS! Spend tens of thousands of $$$ on travel???
You can't send legal documents on phone calls.

I don't visit people outside the US.

What about people at the other side of the US? <g>

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Rudy,

| What about people at the other side of the US? <g>

Rich is trying to defend an indefensible position. <g>

His "logic" is patently illogical, even though he tries to defend it as
"his" personal modus operandi. <shrug>

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,

| Quentin why do you insist on believing email is something that is
| required?

I NEVER said e-mail was "required!!!"

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Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

Rich wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

If your objective is to have something pretty but slow and in many
ways inconvenient then, indeed, web forums may be for you. <g>

My objective is to not use and manage a client for the NGs.

OK, some people's objective is to live in a cabin in the woods and to
hunt and gather their own food, but well, that is their decision. Most
of them don't work in IT. <g>

Yep, that's kind of the conclusion I've come to. :)

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Web forums are perhaps a little prettier, and don't require a special
client, and even can be accessed on a platform that does not have any
good NNTP clients, but that is their only advantage.

You sound conflicted Rudy. Are you sure you can see things clearly? Let me guess you still use email?
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Rich wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

Web forums are perhaps a little prettier, and don't require a
special client, and even can be accessed on a platform that does
not have any good NNTP clients, but that is their only advantage.

You sound conflicted Rudy.

Huh? No conflict at all. I, and I am sure many others, would not be
here if we'd have to use web forums. You have obviously never used NNTP
with a good client, or you would not think like that.

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Huh? No conflict at all. I, and I am sure many others, would not be
here if we'd have to use web forums. You have obviously never used NNTP
with a good client, or you would not think like that.

I've used clients in the past. For these very NGs.

My comment was about you giving reasons to use a client then giving just as good reasons for not using a client.
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Rich wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

Huh? No conflict at all. I, and I am sure many others, would not be
here if we'd have to use web forums. You have obviously never used
NNTP with a good client, or you would not think like that.

I've used clients in the past. For these very NGs.

Obviously not the right one. <g>
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Obviously not the right one. <g>

lol

Considering my objective is to not use and manage a client for NGs. I'm gonna' have to disagree.
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Considering my objective is to not use and manage a client for NGs.

Manage? Ok, I don't quite understand why you don't want to use one, but
fine, that is an argument.

"Managing one" is not an argument. There is nothing to "manage".

So, again, if your objective is to use a slow and inconvenient but
pretty medium, then you succeeded.

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Rudy,

| I, and I am sure many others, would not be
| here if we'd have to use web forums.

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No, it didn't. I am using it right now, and it is much, much better
than any web forum, no matter how convenient that may look.

I know, right?

Why NNTP has fallen out of favor is a complete mystery to me.

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Nick Hodges wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

No, it didn't. I am using it right now, and it is much, much better
than any web forum, no matter how convenient that may look.

I know, right?

Why NNTP has fallen out of favor is a complete mystery to me.

You must look for a good client(*), you must take a little time to set
it up and well, that may be too much for some.


(*) On Windows, that is not a big problem. Excellent clients like
XanaNews, Gravity and Forté Agent, and perhaps a few lesser known ones
exist. There is not so much choice on other platforms.
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Nick Hodges wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

No, it didn't. I am using it right now, and it is much, much better
than any web forum, no matter how convenient that may look.

I know, right?

Why NNTP has fallen out of favor is a complete mystery to me.

I know you know, but "> Rich" doesn't. <g>

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I know you know, but "> Rich" doesn't. <g>

That is correct, Rudy, I don't know why NG clients has fallen out of favor. But it's not important to me. I like the browser based UI/UX.
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Rich wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

I know you know, but "> Rich" doesn't. <g>

That is correct, Rudy, I don't know why NG clients has fallen out of
favor.

Neither do I. AFAICT, they haven't. But newer, younger users have grown
up with the web and don't even know (or want to know) the much better
alternatives. Here, they say "What the peasant don't know, he won't
eat".

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But newer, younger users have grown
up with the web and don't even know (or want to know) the much better
alternatives.

Well sometimes it's a matter of preference. I could spend my evening watching "reality TV" reruns or I could watch a movie I've not seen before. I'll take the movie.
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Rich wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

But newer, younger users have grown
up with the web and don't even know (or want to know) the much
better alternatives.

Well sometimes it's a matter of preference. I could spend my evening
watching "reality TV" reruns or I could watch a movie I've not seen
before. I'll take the movie.

You are soooooooooooooooo cool. <g>
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You are soooooooooooooooo cool. <g>

You too. :-)
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"Jeff Dyer" wrote on Thu, 23 Oct 2014 08:16:36 -0700:

NNTP died in about 2001 IIRC.

For something dead I sure get a lot of use out of it.

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NNTP died in about 2001 IIRC.

None compare to NNTP.

Apparently it dragged top quoting in the grave with it.

Greetings from a zombie client.
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Jeff,

| NNTP died in about 2001 IIRC.

The reported death was greatly exaggerated.

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Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
Dimitrij Kowalski wrote:

> Rich < wrote:
Has anyone here who uses community.embarcadero.com noticed that
more and more features are not working? I was able to message
people but now that doesn't work. When I click various feature
links all that happens is a blank dialog box appears.

No, but I've noticed that EMB made a new(!?) site
"http://community.embarcadero.com/" and I am wondering what are they
doing? What is the reason for making a new site with a new forum?

I guess they eventually want to get rid of these and present something
with a fresher look. I personally hope they keep this one up for many
years to go, as the other one does not have NNTP access, and that is a
big problem, IMO. Because no matter how good it looks, it is still a
click-and-wait interface, which is far less usable than NNTP.

Looks like they have enough resources to keep two sites instead of making one but good.

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Looks like they have enough resources to keep two sites instead of
making one but good.

AFAIK, the other site is not used for the same products. Keeping up the
site should not require too many resources.

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Dimitrij Kowalski wrote:

No, but I've noticed that EMB made a new(!?) site "http://community.embarcadero.com/" and I am wondering what are they doing?

Right. I'm talking about the new site. It's not been working right lately. First I couldn't use the new blog post option. Now the private messaging system doesn't work.
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> Rich < wrote:
Dimitrij Kowalski wrote:

No, but I've noticed that EMB made a new(!?) site "http://community.embarcadero.com/" and I am wondering what are they doing?

Right. I'm talking about the new site. It's not been working right lately. First I couldn't use the new blog post option. Now the private messaging system doesn't work.

Maybe email admin to see what's happening :-)
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