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Lars Fosdal


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  Posted: Oct 17, 2014 8:09 AM
FMX and iMac 5K Retina?
Can FMX deal well with this comparatively extreme resolution?

VCL has the same challenges with the new 3K and 4K displays under Windows 8.1 using system font scaling.
Even in the IDE, we already run into design time issues, as the forms are mangled if designed at one resolution/font scaling, and then are opened on another PC at a different resolution/font scaling.

Are there any plans to look at solutions to this issue in the near future?

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  Posted: Oct 17, 2014 9:58 AM   in response to: Lars Fosdal in response to: Lars Fosdal
Lars Fosdal wrote:
FMX and iMac 5K Retina?
Can FMX deal well with this comparatively extreme resolution?

VCL has the same challenges with the new 3K and 4K displays under Windows 8.1 using system font scaling.
Even in the IDE, we already run into design time issues, as the forms are mangled if designed at one resolution/font scaling, and then are opened on another PC at a different resolution/font scaling.

Are there any plans to look at solutions to this issue in the near future?

Send me one and I will be happy to test it right away :)
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Lars Fosdal


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  Posted: Oct 17, 2014 10:58 AM   in response to: John Frazier in response to: John Frazier
John Frazier wrote:
Lars Fosdal wrote:
FMX and iMac 5K Retina?
Can FMX deal well with this comparatively extreme resolution?
Send me one and I will be happy to test it right away :)

I would if I could, but I can't so I won't :)

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Markus Humm

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  Posted: Oct 18, 2014 1:33 AM   in response to: Lars Fosdal in response to: Lars Fosdal
Am 17.10.2014 17:09, schrieb Lars Fosdal:
FMX and iMac 5K Retina?
Can FMX deal well with this comparatively extreme resolution?

VCL has the same challenges with the new 3K and 4K displays under Windows 8.1 using system font scaling.
Even in the IDE, we already run into design time issues, as the forms are mangled if designed at one resolution/font scaling, and then are opened on another PC at a different resolution/font scaling.

Are there any plans to look at solutions to this issue in the near future?

Hello,

anybody found out already that 5K as defined by Apple only shows they
can't properly calculate?

If I multiply x and y resollution (as specified in some Heise.de
article) I don't get 5000 but > 10000.

Which marketing person has to go back to shool and relearn multiplication?

Greetings

Markus
Brandon Staggs

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  Posted: Oct 18, 2014 5:35 AM   in response to: Markus Humm in response to: Markus Humm
"Markus Humm" wrote on Sat, 18 Oct 2014 01:33:37 -0700:

Am 17.10.2014 17:09, schrieb Lars Fosdal:
FMX and iMac 5K Retina?
Can FMX deal well with this comparatively extreme resolution?

VCL has the same challenges with the new 3K and 4K displays under Windows 8.1 using system font scaling.
Even in the IDE, we already run into design time issues, as the forms are mangled if designed at one resolution/font scaling, and then are opened on another PC at a different resolution/font scaling.

Are there any plans to look at solutions to this issue in the near future?

Hello,

anybody found out already that 5K as defined by Apple only shows they
can't properly calculate?

If I multiply x and y resollution (as specified in some Heise.de
article) I don't get 5000 but > 10000.

Which marketing person has to go back to shool and relearn multiplication?

If this were an Apple thing it would be "5i" or somesuch.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4K_resolution

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Markus Humm

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  Posted: Oct 18, 2014 8:18 AM   in response to: Brandon Staggs in response to: Brandon Staggs
Am 18.10.2014 14:35, schrieb Brandon Staggs:
"Markus Humm" wrote on Sat, 18 Oct 2014 01:33:37 -0700:

Am 17.10.2014 17:09, schrieb Lars Fosdal:
FMX and iMac 5K Retina?
Can FMX deal well with this comparatively extreme resolution?

VCL has the same challenges with the new 3K and 4K displays under Windows 8.1 using system font scaling.
Even in the IDE, we already run into design time issues, as the forms are mangled if designed at one resolution/font scaling, and then are opened on another PC at a different resolution/font scaling.

Are there any plans to look at solutions to this issue in the near future?

Hello,

anybody found out already that 5K as defined by Apple only shows they
can't properly calculate?

If I multiply x and y resollution (as specified in some Heise.de
article) I don't get 5000 but > 10000.

Which marketing person has to go back to shool and relearn multiplication?

If this were an Apple thing it would be "5i" or somesuch.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4K_resolution

Hello,

that iMac this new super resolution refers to is an Apple thing.
It's rather a wonder that they didn't call it "the new retina display"
or something unspecified term like that.

Greetings

Markus
Luigi Sandon

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  Posted: Oct 18, 2014 10:11 AM   in response to: Markus Humm in response to: Markus Humm
that iMac this new super resolution refers to is an Apple thing.
It's rather a wonder that they didn't call it "the new retina display"
or something unspecified term like that.

Unluckily (for it), Apple was not the first to announce one. Dell beat them with its UltraSharp 27 Ultra HD announced at the beginning of September.

Which also looks a far better monitor for professional use (color management, portrait mode, etc,)

"5K" looks to be the marketing term for monitors like those.
Mike Margerum

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  Posted: Oct 18, 2014 2:05 PM   in response to: Luigi Sandon in response to: Luigi Sandon
Unluckily (for it), Apple was not the first to announce one. Dell beat them with its UltraSharp 27 Ultra HD announced at the beginning of September.

Which also looks a far better monitor for professional use (color management, portrait mode, etc,)

"5K" looks to be the marketing term for monitors like those.

Except the apple one also comes with a very capable i5 based computer
for the same price. I'm amazed they came in at $2499 for this machine.
Graeme Geldenhuys

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  Posted: Oct 18, 2014 4:13 PM   in response to: Mike Margerum in response to: Mike Margerum
On 2014-10-18 22:05, Mike Margerum wrote:
Except the apple one also comes with a very capable i5 based computer
for the same price. I'm amazed they came in at $2499 for this machine.

The Apple 5K iMac (monitor) and the Dell 5K monitor are vastly different
in quality. The Dell monitor (based on specifications) is far superior.
So you simply can't compare them just by looking at the price.

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Raul Sinimae

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  Posted: Oct 19, 2014 2:29 PM   in response to: Graeme Geldenhuys in response to: Graeme Geldenhuys
Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
The Apple 5K iMac (monitor) and the Dell 5K monitor are vastly different
in quality. The Dell monitor (based on specifications) is far superior.
So you simply can't compare them just by looking at the price.

These are targeted at very different customers so that might not be as important.

While i have not seen the new 5K iMac the other Apple monitors so far have been pretty good ones for most tasks (including delphi).

Most people I know would not pay $2500 for a 5K monitor but quite a few might at least consider the 5K iMac.

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Raul Sinimae

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  Posted: Oct 18, 2014 9:54 AM   in response to: Markus Humm in response to: Markus Humm
Markus Humm wrote:
anybody found out already that 5K as defined by Apple only shows they
can't properly calculate?

????

If I multiply x and y resollution (as specified in some Heise.de
article) I don't get 5000 but > 10000.

5K represents horizontal resolution.

Dell has announced 5K monitors (5120 x 2,880). Red Epic cameras use 5K censors (5120 x 2700).

iMac hence at 5120x 2880 definitely fits the bill for 5K and is priced well also (dell was going to charge $2500 for monitor only - no doubt this will change now).

The OP of Delphi/Firemonkey supporting this is the interesting part - one can get an entry level 4K/Ultra HD around $400 these days.

Raul
Markus Humm

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  Posted: Oct 19, 2014 1:54 AM   in response to: Raul Sinimae in response to: Raul Sinimae
Am 18.10.2014 18:54, schrieb Raul Sinimae:
Markus Humm wrote:
anybody found out already that 5K as defined by Apple only shows they
can't properly calculate?

????

If I multiply x and y resollution (as specified in some Heise.de
article) I don't get 5000 but > 10000.

5K represents horizontal resolution.

Hello,

ok, I stand corrected. I always thought it referred to the megapixels.

Greetings

Markus
Steve Thackery

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  Posted: Oct 19, 2014 1:59 AM   in response to: Markus Humm in response to: Markus Humm
Markus Humm wrote:

ok, I stand corrected. I always thought it referred to the megapixels.

It would make much more sense if it did. Currently most punters think
4k is twice the resolution of standard HD (2k, near enough), whereas
it's four times, of course.

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Raul Sinimae

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  Posted: Oct 19, 2014 2:21 PM   in response to: Markus Humm in response to: Markus Humm
Markus Humm wrote:
I always thought it referred to the megapixels.

I believe people who care about such thing need the resolution anyways since megapixel along could represent number of resolutions.

Otherwise 4K and 5K works better as a marketing term. 4K sounds way cooler than 2160p and is much more impressive than 8.2 megapixels (or 8.8 depending which resolution it refers to).

5K at 14 megapixels is bit better but $2000 for 14MP monitor sounds a lot compared to $200 point and shoot camera with 16MP. "5K monitor" is another thing :-)

Raul

Edited by: Raul Sinimae on Oct 19, 2014 2:22 PM
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