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Markus Humm

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  Posted: Nov 8, 2017 9:50 AM
Hello,

it looks like Nick Hodges changed position again and left EMBT.
Where is my next Tokyo performance update for Android? ;-)

Greetings

Markus
Wolfgang Lemmer...

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  Posted: Nov 8, 2017 12:43 PM   in response to: Markus Humm in response to: Markus Humm
Markus Humm wrote:
Hello,

it looks like Nick Hodges changed position again and left EMBT.

Maybe he wants to do less management and more software development?
Markus Humm

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  Posted: Nov 8, 2017 1:37 PM   in response to: Wolfgang Lemmer... in response to: Wolfgang Lemmer...
Am 08.11.2017 um 21:43 schrieb Wolfgang Lemmermeyer:
Markus Humm wrote:
Hello,

it looks like Nick Hodges changed position again and left EMBT.

Maybe he wants to do less management and more software development?

Maybe? Maybe he just wants to stop by at Gateway Ticketing systems once
again in his life? Have you seen how often he already worked there? ;-)
This and EMBT are the two companies which he cannot let loose... ;-)

Greetings

Markus
Wolfgang Lemmer...

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  Posted: Nov 8, 2017 9:29 PM   in response to: Markus Humm in response to: Markus Humm
Markus Humm wrote:
again in his life? Have you seen how often he already worked there? ;-)
This and EMBT are the two companies which he cannot let loose... ;-)

yed, I saw that - so he's back at Embarcadero in 4..6 years? ;-)
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  Posted: Nov 9, 2017 2:22 AM   in response to: Markus Humm in response to: Markus Humm
Markus Humm wrote:
Am 08.11.2017 um 21:43 schrieb Wolfgang Lemmermeyer:
Markus Humm wrote:
Hello,

it looks like Nick Hodges changed position again and left EMBT.

Maybe he wants to do less management and more software development?

Maybe? Maybe he just wants to stop by at Gateway Ticketing systems once
again in his life? Have you seen how often he already worked there? ;-)
This and EMBT are the two companies which he cannot let loose... ;-)

Because... free tickets ;-)

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Joseph Mitzen

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  Posted: Nov 11, 2017 12:08 PM   in response to: Markus Humm in response to: Markus Humm
Markus Humm wrote:

This and EMBT are the two companies which he cannot let loose... ;-)

Maybe they're the last two American companies using Delphi?
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  Posted: Nov 12, 2017 1:12 AM   in response to: Joseph Mitzen in response to: Joseph Mitzen
Am 11.11.2017 um 21:08 schrieb Joseph Mitzen:
Markus Humm wrote:

This and EMBT are the two companies which he cannot let loose... ;-)

Maybe they're the last two American companies using Delphi?

I doubt that one.

Greetings

Markus
Michael Thuma

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  Posted: Nov 9, 2017 4:07 AM   in response to: Markus Humm in response to: Markus Humm
Explaining all the new features introduced in Delphi requires a full-time job at a customer's site already.

At EMB he had a job, at Gateway Ticketing he has work in a traditional sense which is more satisfactory for the one or the other.

Markus Humm wrote:
Hello,

it looks like Nick Hodges changed position again and left EMBT.
Where is my next Tokyo performance update for Android? ;-)

Greetings

Markus

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  Posted: Nov 9, 2017 7:21 AM   in response to: Markus Humm in response to: Markus Humm
Markus Humm wrote:

it looks like Nick Hodges changed position again and left EMBT.

... but his blog is still on EMBT site! Last time it was deleted in the
twinkling of an eye ...

:-)

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Farshad Mohajeri

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  Posted: Nov 11, 2017 1:45 AM   in response to: Markus Humm in response to: Markus Humm
Markus Humm wrote:
Hello,

it looks like Nick Hodges changed position again and left EMBT.
Where is my next Tokyo performance update for Android? ;-)

I also noticed this from his Linkedin profile. He seems to be cycling between EMB and Gateway Ticket company.

Marcello Dias

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  Posted: Nov 13, 2017 8:51 AM   in response to: Farshad Mohajeri in response to: Farshad Mohajeri
Hi,

Nick hodges wanted Delphi to be something Delphians don't need or want.
He just hate drag and drop.
He called Delphi code spagetti code.
The future of Delphi resides something between unigui and IW17,he likes it or not.
If someone has to do what he teachs in his video(wich would take hours for a single CRUD),
they would go with Angular,React or Asp.net core.
I knew from the day he was hired it won't last much.
Really don't know if he was fired or resigned,
but might have relation with the buying of Sencha, I guess.

Marcello


Farshad Mohajeri wrote:
Markus Humm wrote:
Hello,

it looks like Nick Hodges changed position again and left EMBT.
Where is my next Tokyo performance update for Android? ;-)

I also noticed this from his Linkedin profile. He seems to be cycling between EMB and Gateway Ticket company.

Joseph Mitzen

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  Posted: Nov 13, 2017 9:32 AM   in response to: Marcello Dias in response to: Marcello Dias
Marcello Dias wrote:
Hi,

Nick hodges wanted Delphi to be something Delphians don't need or want.

Modern? Competitive? Employing best practices?

He just hate drag and drop.

"Drag and drop programming" died in the 1990s.

He called Delphi code spagetti code.

Marco Cantu too wrote that drag and drop can lead to bad coding practices, all the way back in 1999:

http://www.marcocantu.com/papers/RADbad.htm

Instead of being hurt about it, you might want to try learning something from them.

The future of Delphi resides something between unigui and IW17,he likes it or not.

Delphi's share of the web market is infinitesimal even compared to its desktop development share.

If someone has to do what he teachs in his video(wich would take hours for a single CRUD),
they would go with Angular,React or Asp.net core.

While I've felt that Nick's gone a bit too much to the Java side, people are always going to go with Angular, React or Asp.net core because they're much more popular (ready support of code, libraries, books, etc.), cheaper and in demand.

I knew from the day he was hired it won't last much.
Really don't know if he was fired or resigned,
but might have relation with the buying of Sencha, I guess.

I can't imagine what buying Sencha would have to do with Nick Hodges' employment.

Marcello Dias

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  Posted: Nov 13, 2017 11:04 AM   in response to: Joseph Mitzen in response to: Joseph Mitzen
Actually I'm learning it from Dart community, where we don't have to deal with
old code,like we have to do with Delphi.
We don't have investments to save.
We should apply MVC,MMVMor wathever to Cobol also them?
Can lead to bad code,is much different than calling it spagetti code.
Spagetti code is Cobol code using Go to, he was very offensive in my point of view by saying that to Delphi code using well structured OOP.
I have never written spagetti code with Delphi.
But I'm much more productive with Drag and Drop up to now,could not be convinced BY mvc,but I'm
trying too.
People in React seems not to be convinced about pure MVC also.
Of course with Angular.Dart will probably be much easier to write an MVC or MVVM application than
writing an MVC application using Delphi.
The point is:Both Marco Cantu and Nick Hodges wanted to make Delphi more expensive and without a market,
maybe they love Pascal,that think people would pay a lot for a product, and rewrite everything from scratch,just
to continue using their semicolons,but this won't survive a reality check,
Marcello Dias

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  Posted: Nov 13, 2017 11:24 AM   in response to: Marcello Dias in response to: Marcello Dias
And saying that Drag and Drop died in the 90's is strange,
Its not because people are trying to do things in MVC for a long time
that the design time was aceptable,and even worse that the run time was aceptable.
For me Angular(wich has been written 4 times from scratch,and Asp.Net Core 2(wich came after a lot of Asp.Net Mvc versions learning with their
errors and competition) are the first ones that make me consider about that.
Asp.net core is starting to appeal to .NET developers.
Do you really beleave would be possible to make Delphi compete in this war?
Marcello Dias

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  Posted: Nov 14, 2017 2:29 AM   in response to: Marcello Dias in response to: Marcello Dias
Before the stones arrive let me clarify.
With the same lavel of usability,wich in browsers can only be achieved by using
AJAX,the first mvc framework that was at least aceptable was Sencha extjs(2009)(very far from the 90's).
Michael Thuma

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  Posted: Nov 14, 2017 5:23 AM   in response to: Joseph Mitzen in response to: Joseph Mitzen
The idea of Drag and Drop programming never really came to live.

From that perspective VB as well as Delphi are/were/remain 'half baked' within the boundaries and limiting technical constraints given these days.

In general there is no reason to assume that this approach wouldn't work.

But at this time the word about class libraries and simply using objects rather than having to design them from scratch had already been spread too far and deeply impacts the design of class libraries and technologies still.

Jetbrains have always been exceptional and enjoy the pleasure of this evolution in particular. You can have intelligence built into your IDE but then you need to support languages provided by others ;). This train has departed and EMB will never be in the position to get on it anymore, not even in a far distant future.

I simply use Delphi as it is. No SpeedUp, nothing. For what it's worth, it works for me. If I really consider all 'you' (a Delphi developer) have to know is way too much. A newbie programmer who never enjoyed the pleasure of 90s Windows programming C will fairly be in the position to value Delphi and C++ Builder. It all starts to make lots of sense if you know all that. You cannot learn Windows programming from the Delphi perspective solely.

The moment you build Windows applications Delphi is pretty effective. Windows GUI are pretty expensive to build using the native APIs the moment these developments grow larger. Delphi and C++ Builder even considered separately are great in summary. Combine a NexusDB with Delphi and the moment the application and the DB fit you are way better off than other integrated solutions.

A professional's tool today is 'Rider' for example.

Honestly. Not sure if Gateway ticketing can offer more future perspective than a company providing complex IDEs. I think maybe Mr. Nick is more happy with real life problems than IT people's problems.


Joseph Mitzen wrote:
Marcello Dias wrote:
Hi,

Nick hodges wanted Delphi to be something Delphians don't need or want.

Modern? Competitive? Employing best practices?

He just hate drag and drop.

"Drag and drop programming" died in the 1990s.

He called Delphi code spagetti code.

Marco Cantu too wrote that drag and drop can lead to bad coding practices, all the way back in 1999:

http://www.marcocantu.com/papers/RADbad.htm

Instead of being hurt about it, you might want to try learning something from them.

The future of Delphi resides something between unigui and IW17,he likes it or not.

Delphi's share of the web market is infinitesimal even compared to its desktop development share.

If someone has to do what he teachs in his video(wich would take hours for a single CRUD),
they would go with Angular,React or Asp.net core.

While I've felt that Nick's gone a bit too much to the Java side, people are always going to go with Angular, React or Asp.net core because they're much more popular (ready support of code, libraries, books, etc.), cheaper and in demand.

I knew from the day he was hired it won't last much.
Really don't know if he was fired or resigned,
but might have relation with the buying of Sencha, I guess.

I can't imagine what buying Sencha would have to do with Nick Hodges' employment.


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  Posted: Nov 26, 2017 6:18 AM   in response to: Michael Thuma in response to: Michael Thuma
A professional's tool today is 'Rider' for example.
Core 2 using JetBrains' Rider is a great choice though always few months behind the new features in Visual Studio 2017. It took a very long time to come out of beta.

Also, I've noticed when switching back to Delphi I continue to be surprised by RAD Studios' productiveness.
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  Posted: Nov 14, 2017 8:04 AM   in response to: Joseph Mitzen in response to: Joseph Mitzen
Regarding to the Sencha Buying.
Can be a coincidence,
It happened a little before he leaved.
Its a clear sign that Idera is going to integrate Delphi and ExtJs in order to give
us something to write RIA applicattions in Delphi.
Embarcadero opened its arms to unigui.
He is totally against 'spagetti code" like he called Delphi code made with an IDE and databinding.
He ,Marco Cantú and others were betting in a ASP.NET MVC copy integrated with JQuery,something that
nobody would use and that would turn Delphi even more expensive.
A turn in the plans, he did not like?
But like I said is just a guess.

Marcello

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  Posted: Nov 13, 2017 10:11 AM   in response to: Farshad Mohajeri in response to: Farshad Mohajeri
Farshad Mohajeri wrote:

I also noticed this from his Linkedin profile. He seems to be cycling
between EMB and Gateway Ticket company.

http://www.codingindelphi.com/blog/nick-update/

Just a quick update on what I’m up to — you guys have had a few
questions.

I have “parted ways” with Embarcadero and am back (for a third time!)
at Gateway Ticketing Systems as a Senior Developer.

It’s all good.

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  Posted: Nov 25, 2017 6:40 PM   in response to: Markus Humm in response to: Markus Humm
How many people are there now?? Is there more than 10 people?

Edited by: h visli on Nov 25, 2017 6:41 PM
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  Posted: Nov 26, 2017 12:35 PM   in response to: h visli in response to: h visli
On 2017-11-26 02:42:08 +0000, h visli said:

How many people are there now?? Is there more than 10 people?

Edited by: h visli on Nov 25, 2017 6:41 PM

Yeah,
at least 11 with me :-)

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