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I wrote an extensive Delphi 7 / SQL Server Windows forms program between 2004 and 2008. I used several 3rd party tools like Developer Express and Fast Reports. I'm currently upgrading it to 10.2 Tokyo. I've worked on the program over the last dozen years but nothing extensive and it's getting harder and harder to deal with Delphi 7 on newer machines. So last week I spent a ton of money upgrading Delphi and my 3rd party tools.

Of course I'm running into all sorts of little issues and since I spend most of my time in Visual Studio .net these days I'm not as up on Delphi as I'd like to be.

I've sent a few questions directly to support and I've posted several questions on here: https://community.embarcadero.com/forum. Direct support is reasonably responsive but limited and the forum is not responsive at all. Some questions go unanswered for weeks or more. When I was learning Delphi around 2004 there was an extensive community in the usenet groups. It was amazing. I got answers to questions usually very fast... hours if not minutes regardless of time of day or night. Rarely more than a day.

So this has become a frustrating situation for me. If I could convert my program to vb.net I would but that would take way too much time, interfere with my main work and my client just won't pay for me to do that. I like Delphi. It's got a lot to offer. But I'm worried about how much the community has shrunk (shrank? shrinked? shranken? shrunken? LOL) down.

So I'm asking where the best community support can be found for Delphi Windows forms development, whether it's through Embarcadero or not. And one more thing, it needs to be somewhere that nobody's judgemental and rude. Places like stackoverflow are horrible. The people that run it are arrogant, mean and rude. I won't use them again. The people I used to communicate with in the usenet groups were terrific. I miss that. I've been a software developer for a very long time. I don't need mean people :)

Thanks very much,

Keith

Edited by: Keith Hicks on Jul 20, 2017 6:27 PM
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Keith Hicks wrote:

When I was learning Delphi around 2004 there was an extensive community in the usenet groups. It was amazing. I got
answers to questions usually very fast... hours if not minutes regardless of time of day or night. Rarely more than a
day.

These are those groups. There is still an NNTP interface into them, as per the description here:

http://edn.embarcadero.com/article/38435

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  Posted: Jul 20, 2017 11:11 PM   in response to: Guest in response to: Guest
So I'm asking where the best community support can be found for Delphi Windows
Forms development, whether it's through Embarcadero or not.

There's also Delphi developer Facebok group (around 6k members) and G+ group.
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On 21/07/2017 04:27, Keith Hicks wrote:
I wrote an extensive Delphi 7 / SQL Server Windows forms program between 2004 and 2008. I used several 3rd party tools like Developer Express and Fast Reports. I'm currently upgrading it to 10.2 Tokyo. I've worked on the program over the last dozen years but nothing extensive and it's getting harder and harder to deal with Delphi 7 on newer machines. So last week I spent a ton of money upgrading Delphi and my 3rd party tools.

Of course I'm running into all sorts of little issues and since I spend most of my time in Visual Studio .net these days I'm not as up on Delphi as I'd like to be.

I've sent a few questions directly to support and I've posted several questions on here: https://community.embarcadero.com/forum. Direct support is reasonably responsive but limited and the forum is not responsive at all. Some questions go unanswered for weeks or more. When I was learning Delphi around 2004 there was an extensive community in the usenet groups. It was amazing. I got answers to questions usually very fast... hours if not minutes regardless of time of day or night. Rarely more than a day.

So this has become a frustrating situation for me. If I could convert my program to vb.net I would but that would take way too much time, interfere with my main work and my client just won't pay for me to do that. I like Delphi. It's got a lot to offer. But I'm worried about how much the community has shrunk (shrank? shrinked? shranken? shrunken? LOL) down.

So I'm asking where the best community support can be found for Delphi Windows forms development, whether it's through Embarcadero or not. And one more thing, it needs to be somewhere that nobody's judgemental and rude. Places like stackoverflow are horrible. The people that run it are arrogant, mean and rude. I won't use them again. The people I used to communicate with in the usenet groups were terrific. I miss that. I've been a software developer for a very long time. I don't need mean people :)

Thanks very much,

Keith

Edited by: Keith Hicks on Jul 20, 2017 6:27 PM
https://plus.google.com/communities/103113685381486591754
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Keith Hicks wrote:

I wrote an extensive Delphi 7 / SQL Server Windows forms program
between 2004 and 2008. I used several 3rd party tools like Developer
Express and Fast Reports. I'm currently upgrading it to 10.2 Tokyo.
I've worked on the program over the last dozen years but nothing
extensive and it's getting harder and harder to deal with Delphi 7 on
newer machines. So last week I spent a ton of money upgrading Delphi
and my 3rd party tools.

Of course I'm running into all sorts of little issues and since I
spend most of my time in Visual Studio .net these days I'm not as up
on Delphi as I'd like to be.

I've sent a few questions directly to support and I've posted several
questions on here: https://community.embarcadero.com/forum. Direct
support is reasonably responsive but limited and the forum is not
responsive at all. Some questions go unanswered for weeks or more.
When I was learning Delphi around 2004 there was an extensive
community in the usenet groups. It was amazing. I got answers to
questions usually very fast... hours if not minutes regardless of
time of day or night. Rarely more than a day.

So this has become a frustrating situation for me. If I could convert
my program to vb.net I would but that would take way too much time,
interfere with my main work and my client just won't pay for me to do
that. I like Delphi. It's got a lot to offer. But I'm worried about
how much the community has shrunk (shrank? shrinked? shranken?
shrunken? LOL) down.

So I'm asking where the best community support can be found for
Delphi Windows forms development, whether it's through Embarcadero or
not. And one more thing, it needs to be somewhere that nobody's
judgemental and rude. Places like stackoverflow are horrible. The
people that run it are arrogant, mean and rude. I won't use them
again. The people I used to communicate with in the usenet groups
were terrific. I miss that. I've been a software developer for a very
long time. I don't need mean people :)

Thanks very much,

Keith

Edited by: Keith Hicks on Jul 20, 2017 6:27 PM

I´ve best experiences here. High level peer-to-peer.

Bernd
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Keith

These groups are pretty good, some very knowledgeable, and helpful, people. Few suggestions:

1. Use an offline newsreader rather than the online one
2. Try and pick the right group to post in
3. Component specific stuff it may be best to use the vendors forum.

Roy Lambert

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Am 21.07.2017 um 09:42 schrieb Roy Lambert:
Keith

These groups are pretty good, some very knowledgeable, and helpful, people. Few suggestions:

1. Use an offline newsreader rather than the online one
2. Try and pick the right group to post in
3. Component specific stuff it may be best to use the vendors forum.

Roy Lambert


+1

There are still quite a few good posters here, I often enough get help
myself here and in return I share what I know.

Way better than the new one EMBT has set up a few years ago. The new one
misses Threading/tree display afaik and the structure of the subgroups
is unusable in my eyes.

Greetings

Markus
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Delphi Developers on Google seems to be an appropriate choice imho.

It's a community and not a dedicated support group - but you get answers.

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Keith Hicks wrote:
So I'm asking where the best community support can be found for Delphi Windows forms development, whether it's through Embarcadero or not. And one more thing, it needs to be somewhere that nobody's judgemental and rude. Places like stackoverflow are horrible. The people that run it are arrogant, mean and rude. I won't use them again. The people I used to communicate with in the usenet groups were terrific. I miss that. I've been a software developer for a very long time. I don't need mean people :)

If you fit exactly StackOverflow requirements, and try to fulfill people expectations (reproducible code, etc..), you may get an accurate answer from there.
Some people there are indeed rude, but with high skills.
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Arnaud Bouchez wrote:
Keith Hicks wrote:
So I'm asking where the best community support can be found for Delphi Windows forms development, whether it's through Embarcadero or not. And one more thing, it needs to be somewhere that nobody's judgemental and rude. Places like stackoverflow are horrible. The people that run it are arrogant, mean and rude. I won't use them again. The people I used to communicate with in the usenet groups were terrific. I miss that. I've been a software developer for a very long time. I don't need mean people :)

If you fit exactly StackOverflow requirements, and try to fulfill people expectations (reproducible code, etc..), you may get an accurate answer from there.
Some people there are indeed rude, but with high skills.

Yest, StackOverflow might be the best idea but as Mr. Bouchez said, people are rude there. How about https://www.experts-exchange.com/ ? It was a good shape in few years ago.
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Arnaud

I'm not sure I've ever posted a question on StackOverflow but I have found a lot of answers there. Sometimes it takes a bit of searching but I always try before posting a question anywhere.

Roy Lambert

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Cool. Thanks everyone. Good ideas. And it's very encouraging that so many people responded to this post :)
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Keith Hicks wrote:

Places like stackoverflow are horrible. The
people that run it are arrogant, mean and rude.

I don't think so. People will (vote to) put bad questions on hold, if
the question is simply bad. I don't think they are rude. Rudeness is
actually not allowed and will be removed by moderators. Some people may
not agree with the policy, but it makes a lot of sense.

But these people don't run Stack Overflow. They are peers. It is just
that not all kinds of questions are allowed there. They are not support
groups, they are a community meant to establish a (searchable)
knowledge base.

These are not Usenet groups, and the real Usenet groups have almost
disappeared or have been hijacked by spam or one person posting about
his Delphi products.

But these groups are the continutation of the former Borland/CodeGear
groups (borland.public.delphi.* etc.). You can access them through NNTP
and through the web.

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Nope. It's not just me. A lot of people have problems with them. A lot. I used to post there but I stopped. I actually wrote to them to have me completely removed from their system. The guys who run it are very arrogant.

This is one of the notes on the Google Delphi groups:

"This community is not StackOverflow. Well formulated questions with sufficient detail are preferred, but not an absolute requirement. Don't be afraid to ask."

See, that's the thing. If you ask a question that they don't like, they berate you. My guess is they were bullied as kids and have become the bullies themselves. Very sad. Sorry, it's not just my opinion. It's a mean-spirited place. Why anyone would go there for help is beyond me. :(
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Keith Hicks wrote:

Nope. It's not just me. A lot of people have problems with them. A
lot. I used to post there but I stopped.

Sure, but that is, AFAICT, certainly not because of rudeness on the
side of the people who run the site, nor rudeness on the side of the
participants.

It is simply that people don't want to accept -- nor know -- the (very
strict) rules of the site and get a grudge if their questions are not
answered or put on hold (closed), or if they get comments that and how
they should improve their questions.

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Am 22.07.2017 um 14:34 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB, MVP):
Keith Hicks wrote:

Nope. It's not just me. A lot of people have problems with them. A
lot. I used to post there but I stopped.

Sure, but that is, AFAICT, certainly not because of rudeness on the
side of the people who run the site, nor rudeness on the side of the
participants.

It is simply that people don't want to accept -- nor know -- the (very
strict) rules of the site and get a grudge if their questions are not
answered or put on hold (closed), or if they get comments that and how
they should improve their questions.

No. This year I posted some question about an issue Delphi apps have on
Android 7. I asked about how to get around this and I knew that thie
issue is with a new OS feature introduced in Android 7 and that there is
some way to deactivate this new feature for my app so that it doesn't
crash when somebody tries to use that feature.

I had asked here before and contacted EMBT (created 2 QP reports, one
about supporting the new feature and one about being able to at least
indicate to the OS that my app cannot use this - with always failed with
some PA client error when i tried it), but got no usefull answer from
these channels back then otherwise I hand't posted on SO.

The only answer I got on SO that I should make my app compatible with
that feature, period!

When I replied to that person that it might not be doable in the short
time available until it shall be presented on a trade show and that I
don't have enough knowledge about the inner workings of FMX to implement
the necessary stuff to support this new feature (EMBT replied on my QP
request that this is no easy task!) I got no further answer. Not
helpful. I still think my quiestion was aproriate for SO as it was about
a real programming problem and the other person was a bit rude.

Last weekend I have found out how to implement that indication to the OS
as least and that with the help of two persons here in the
platform-specific/Android forum on this server. The answer how to do it
is of course visible in that thread.

Greetings

Markus
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Markus Humm wrote:

Am 22.07.2017 um 14:34 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB, MVP):
Keith Hicks wrote:

Nope. It's not just me. A lot of people have problems with them. A
lot. I used to post there but I stopped.

Sure, but that is, AFAICT, certainly not because of rudeness on the
side of the people who run the site, nor rudeness on the side of the
participants.

It is simply that people don't want to accept -- nor know -- the
(very strict) rules of the site and get a grudge if their questions
are not answered or put on hold (closed), or if they get comments
that and how they should improve their questions.

No.

No what?

<snip>

The only answer I got on SO that I should make my app compatible with
that feature, period!

When I replied to that person that it might not be doable in the short
time available until it shall be presented on a trade show and that I
don't have enough knowledge about the inner workings of FMX to
implement the necessary stuff to support this new feature (EMBT
replied on my QP request that this is no easy task!) I got no further
answer. Not helpful.

Well, the fact that no one can answer your question does not mean
people are rude. It merely means that it is obviously not an easy
question and that no one knows an answer you can use. Obviously no one
here or at Embarcadero knew a usable answer either.

That someone answered that you should make your app compatible with the
feature was not rude either. It was just not what you wanted to hear,
and it did not completely answer your question.

In other words: the fact that a question can't be answered doesn't mean
people are rude to you. Some questions aren't easy to answer. The
answer you got may not have been helpful. So downvote it.

I have only asked a few questions on S.O. They were answered
extensively and people have been very helpful. One question was not so
easy to answer, but people tried:
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/43977775/unusual-byte-sequence-to-set-r8-to-128

On that one question, I did not get a helpful answer either, but I
would never call that rude or call S.O. useless or claim that I have
problems with S.O.

People who have problems with S.O. are often (with exceptions, of
course) people who can't accept that a free site with strict rules does
not accept anything outside the rules, and that the people who answer
questions do not tolerate bad questions and/or answers and say so, or
downvote a bad question or (vote to) close it.

Some seem to take that personally and call the people who downvote or
vote to close "rude". But that is not rudeness. It is simply how the
site works.
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Am 23.07.2017 um 16:19 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB, MVP):
Markus Humm wrote:

Am 22.07.2017 um 14:34 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB, MVP):
Keith Hicks wrote:

Nope. It's not just me. A lot of people have problems with them. A
lot. I used to post there but I stopped.

Sure, but that is, AFAICT, certainly not because of rudeness on the
side of the people who run the site, nor rudeness on the side of the
participants.

It is simply that people don't want to accept -- nor know -- the
(very strict) rules of the site and get a grudge if their questions
are not answered or put on hold (closed), or if they get comments
that and how they should improve their questions.

No.

No what?

<snip>

The only answer I got on SO that I should make my app compatible with
that feature, period!

When I replied to that person that it might not be doable in the short
time available until it shall be presented on a trade show and that I
don't have enough knowledge about the inner workings of FMX to
implement the necessary stuff to support this new feature (EMBT
replied on my QP request that this is no easy task!) I got no further
answer. Not helpful.

Well, the fact that no one can answer your question does not mean
people are rude.

I didn't claim that.

That someone answered that you should make your app compatible with the
feature was not rude either. It was just not what you wanted to hear,
and it did not completely answer your question.

The issue was the tone in which it was worded.

In other words: the fact that a question can't be answered doesn't mean
people are rude to you.

You misinterpret what I wrote.
Some questions aren't easy to answer. The
answer you got may not have been helpful. So downvote it.

Since it was afaik only a comment and not an answer I can't afaik and
I'm not sure I have enough credit on SO yet to downvote some answers.

People who have problems with S.O. are often (with exceptions, of
course) people who can't accept that a free site with strict rules does
not accept anything outside the rules, and that the people who answer
questions do not tolerate bad questions and/or answers and say so, or
downvote a bad question or (vote to) close it.

The issue is, that sometimes it's not so easy to see why something is
outside of the rules. These get sometimes an answer or downvote without
a clear indication why it's out of the rules.

There are sometimes posts here which are a bit out of the norm as well
(e.g. top quoting, posting clearly technical questions here just because
that's one of the groups with most traffic), but the answers usually
give clear information about what is outside of the norm in the post.

Greetings

Markus
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Markus Humm wrote:

That someone answered that you should make your app compatible with
the feature was not rude either. It was just not what you wanted to
hear, and it did not completely answer your question.

The issue was the tone in which it was worded.

What was wrong with it? ISTM that he was right.

In other words: the fact that a question can't be answered doesn't
mean people are rude to you.

You misinterpret what I wrote.

Then you should have been clearer.

Some questions aren't easy to answer. The
answer you got may not have been helpful. So downvote it.

Since it was afaik only a comment and not an answer I can't afaik and
I'm not sure I have enough credit on SO yet to downvote some answers.

Hmmm... How much does one need to vote?

The issue is, that sometimes it's not so easy to see why something is
outside of the rules.

That's not true. The rules are stated very clearly.

These get sometimes an answer or downvote
without a clear indication why it's out of the rules.

A downvote merely means that the question or answer are bad (they
either do not answer the question, or they are not very clear, or they
give wrong or no information), not that they violate any rules.

Take a look at this answer, to a homework question:
https://stackoverflow.com/a/45180691/95954

That is a terribly bad answer, and not helpful at all, and it doesn't
answer the question in any way. Only the fact that the tag is not
visited very well prevents it from getting many downvotes.

But it does not violate any rules. It is just useless.

There are sometimes posts here which are a bit out of the norm as well
(e.g. top quoting, posting clearly technical questions here just
because that's one of the groups with most traffic), but the answers
usually give clear information about what is outside of the norm in
the post.

The rules on this server WRT questions and answers are nowhere as
strict as on S.O. This is a peer support site, while S.O. isn't. People
tend to forget that.

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Markus Humm wrote:

Am 22.07.2017 um 14:34 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB, MVP):
Keith Hicks wrote:

Nope. It's not just me. A lot of people have problems with them. A
lot. I used to post there but I stopped.

Sure, but that is, AFAICT, certainly not because of rudeness on the
side of the people who run the site, nor rudeness on the side of the
participants.

It is simply that people don't want to accept -- nor know -- the
(very strict) rules of the site and get a grudge if their questions
are not answered or put on hold (closed), or if they get comments
that and how they should improve their questions.

No. This year I posted some question about an issue Delphi apps have
on Android 7. I asked about how to get around this and I knew that
thie issue is with a new OS feature introduced in Android 7 and that
there is some way to deactivate this new feature for my app so that
it doesn't crash when somebody tries to use that feature.

I had asked here before and contacted EMBT (created 2 QP reports, one
about supporting the new feature and one about being able to at least
indicate to the OS that my app cannot use this - with always failed
with some PA client error when i tried it), but got no usefull answer
from these channels back then otherwise I hand't posted on SO.

The only answer I got on SO that I should make my app compatible with
that feature, period!

When I replied to that person that it might not be doable in the short
time available until it shall be presented on a trade show and that I
don't have enough knowledge about the inner workings of FMX to
implement the necessary stuff to support this new feature (EMBT
replied on my QP request that this is no easy task!) I got no further
answer. Not helpful.

I guess it was this:

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/42564048/delphi-android-preventing-dealing-with-multiview-mode

I only see a comment, not an answer, by Rob Kennedy (someone who is
generally very helpful, and who has frequented these groups a lot
before). And he is right.

That you didn't have the time nor ways to fix that is not his problem,
and was not known to him either. <g>

He was certainly not rude. And that you didn't get a useful answer
doesn't make the site useless either.
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Am 23.07.2017 um 16:40 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB, MVP):
Markus Humm wrote:

Am 22.07.2017 um 14:34 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB, MVP):
Keith Hicks wrote:

Nope. It's not just me. A lot of people have problems with them. A
lot. I used to post there but I stopped.

Sure, but that is, AFAICT, certainly not because of rudeness on the
side of the people who run the site, nor rudeness on the side of the
participants.

It is simply that people don't want to accept -- nor know -- the
(very strict) rules of the site and get a grudge if their questions
are not answered or put on hold (closed), or if they get comments
that and how they should improve their questions.

No. This year I posted some question about an issue Delphi apps have
on Android 7. I asked about how to get around this and I knew that
thie issue is with a new OS feature introduced in Android 7 and that
there is some way to deactivate this new feature for my app so that
it doesn't crash when somebody tries to use that feature.

I had asked here before and contacted EMBT (created 2 QP reports, one
about supporting the new feature and one about being able to at least
indicate to the OS that my app cannot use this - with always failed
with some PA client error when i tried it), but got no usefull answer
from these channels back then otherwise I hand't posted on SO.

The only answer I got on SO that I should make my app compatible with
that feature, period!

When I replied to that person that it might not be doable in the short
time available until it shall be presented on a trade show and that I
don't have enough knowledge about the inner workings of FMX to
implement the necessary stuff to support this new feature (EMBT
replied on my QP request that this is no easy task!) I got no further
answer. Not helpful.

I guess it was this:

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/42564048/delphi-android-preventing-dealing-with-multiview-mode

I only see a comment, not an answer, by Rob Kennedy (someone who is
generally very helpful, and who has frequented these groups a lot
before). And he is right.

He's not completely right: my question was exactly about preventing that
crash by using a legal method provided by the OS but not useable in the
out of the box Delphi installation and no information from EMBT
available about how to do that either. I had posted a link to Android
documentation showing that I knew that there is a setting for this and
asked about how to use in in the context of Delphi.

His comment was simply useless. The question had been tagged with Delphi
so he should have known that it's in context of using that language. So
either he knows a solution, then he can give an answer or he knows that
the question is posed wrongly or doesn't belong to SO (neither of that
is true) then he can answer or comment, otherwise he simply shouldn't
have commented, because his comment wasn't helpfull at all.

That you didn't have the time nor ways to fix that is not his problem,
and was not known to him either. <g>

He was certainly not rude. And that you didn't get a useful answer
doesn't make the site useless either.

I didn't claim the site to be useless.

Greetings

Markus
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Markus Humm wrote:

He's not completely right: my question was exactly about preventing
that crash by using a legal method provided by the OS but not useable
in the out of the box Delphi installation and no information from EMBT
available about how to do that either. I had posted a link to Android
documentation showing that I knew that there is a setting for this and
asked about how to use in in the context of Delphi.

His comment was simply useless.

It was a comment. It was not an answer. Do not confuse these. Comments
do not have to be useful.

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Am 23.07.2017 um 22:09 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB, MVP):
Markus Humm wrote:

He's not completely right: my question was exactly about preventing
that crash by using a legal method provided by the OS but not useable
in the out of the box Delphi installation and no information from EMBT
available about how to do that either. I had posted a link to Android
documentation showing that I knew that there is a setting for this and
asked about how to use in in the context of Delphi.

His comment was simply useless.

It was a comment. It was not an answer. Do not confuse these. Comments
do not have to be useful.

Sigh!
Telling somebody asking for help about getting the program to not crash
under certain circumstances that he should fix his errors which lead to
the crash is not really necessary. Is it? If he'd know how to fix it he
wouldn't have asked.

=> comments should either bring some value to a discussion or spared.

Greetings

Markus
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Markus Humm wrote:

Am 23.07.2017 um 22:09 schrieb Rudy Velthuis (TeamB, MVP):
Markus Humm wrote:

He's not completely right: my question was exactly about preventing
that crash by using a legal method provided by the OS but not
useable >> in the out of the box Delphi installation and no
information from EMBT >> available about how to do that either. I had
posted a link to Android >> documentation showing that I knew that
there is a setting for this and >> asked about how to use in in the
context of Delphi.

His comment was simply useless.

It was a comment. It was not an answer. Do not confuse these.
Comments do not have to be useful.

Sigh!
Telling somebody asking for help about getting the program to not
crash under certain circumstances that he should fix his errors which
lead to the crash is not really necessary. Is it?

Well, instead of finding out how to turn a new feature of a platform
off, it makes much more sense to actually make your program work with
it. That is what Rob said, and I think he is right. But that was
certainly not an answer to your question, and that is why he wrote it
as a comment.

Rob knows S.O. and he knows what is useful and what is not. And why his
comment did not answer your question, but was still sound advice.
Sometimes it makes more sense to point people to errors in their logic
and to tell them that what they want to do is not a good thing to do,
than strictly answering the question. That is what Rob did. You may not
like that, but it was still a good comment, IMO.

Just think about the question: how can I stop people from using the
clipboard in an edit control? A comment would be that this is not the
proper thing to do. An answer would be code to show how he could really
disable it. Rob's comment is more or less like that.

Another example: Q: "how can I, in my program, restrict the screen size
to 640x480?" A comment would be that this would be a very bad idea and
that it would upset most users with a higher resolution set. An answer
would be to show how this could be achieved. The comment would make
more sense than a strict answer, IMO.

Etc...

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Keith Hicks wrote:

Nope. It's not just me. A lot of people have problems with them. A
lot. I used to post there but I stopped. I actually wrote to them to
have me completely removed from their system. The guys who run it are
very arrogant.

You hardly get to see or communicate with the guys that run the site
(the StackExchange Network, started by Spolsky and Atwood). They are
not "arrogant", they simply have strict quality rules and these rules
are applied very strictly, by your peers (through downvotes, close
votes, comments, etc.) Not everyone likes that, and some may perceive
this as "arrogant" or "rude", but objectively spoken, they are not.

This is one of the notes on the Google Delphi groups:

"This community is not StackOverflow. Well formulated questions with
sufficient detail are preferred, but not an absolute requirement.
Don't be afraid to ask."

Exactly. Stack Overflow requires well formulated questions and proper
answers, and questions that do not match the rules (e.g. off-topic, or
too broad, etc.) will usually be closed. That is what turns many people
off. Not the fact that people (downvoters, commenters) are "rude", just
that they are pretty strict.

Of course, like in any community, there can be some rude people, but
that can happen everywhere. On S.O., really rude comments can be
flagged and will be moderated in due time.

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Keith Hicks wrote:
Nope. It's not just me. A lot of people have problems with them. A lot. I used to post there but I stopped. I actually wrote to them to have me completely removed from their system. The guys who run it are very arrogant.

From my personal statistics, 60% or more of new Delphi questions are downvoted and eventually removed. I also follow up other programming languages and I don't see the same there.

If you ask a question that they don't like, they berate you. My guess is they were bullied as kids and have become the bullies themselves. Very sad.

Bingo! It is just like the story of the 5 y.o. girl fined in London recently: http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/fiveyearold-girl-offered-stalls-at-borough-market-and-festivals-after-tower-hamlets-council-issue-a3593851.html
When asked, the officers would say "we were just enforcing the law"...
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Alexandre Machado wrote:
Keith Hicks wrote:
Nope. It's not just me. A lot of people have problems with them. A lot. I used to post there but I stopped. I actually wrote to them to have me completely removed from their system. The guys who run it are very arrogant.

From my personal statistics, 60% or more of new Delphi questions are downvoted and eventually removed. I also follow up other programming languages and I don't see the same there.

If you ask a question that they don't like, they berate you. My guess is they were bullied as kids and have become the bullies themselves. Very sad.

Bingo! It is just like the story of the 5 y.o. girl fined in London recently: http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/fiveyearold-girl-offered-stalls-at-borough-market-and-festivals-after-tower-hamlets-council-issue-a3593851.html
When asked, the officers would say "we were just enforcing the law"...

Yup. I tried to participate for a little while. It's not just the questions, it's the answers. When the kids can downvote without attribution it makes for a bad atmosphere. A downvote should have a name and explanation attached. Heck, I had an answer that the user said worked downvoted once. It may be on account of the original question, dunno, but I don't need that kind of bull.

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Dan Barclay wrote:

Heck, I had an answer that the user said worked downvoted once.

I've seen that happen on more than one occasion. In one case, a comment queried why a perfectly valid answer was
downvoted, yet there were no follow-up comments.

Without attribution and/or justification, it's impossible to determine whether someone deliberately downvotes just
because they don't like:

* A certain person because they've asked a bad question before, or for some other reason

* Certain tags

* Whatever other reasons

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Dave Nottage wrote:

Dan Barclay wrote:

Heck, I had an answer that the user said worked downvoted once.

I've seen that happen on more than one occasion.

That it worked does not mean it was a good answer. It just solved the
question for the asker. So yes, even accepted answers can have
downvotes.
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Rudy Velthuis (TeamB, MVP) wrote:
Dave Nottage wrote:

Dan Barclay wrote:

Heck, I had an answer that the user said worked downvoted once.

I've seen that happen on more than one occasion.

That it worked does not mean it was a good answer. It just solved the
question for the asker. So yes, even accepted answers can have
downvotes.

It was a decent answer that worked. Nobody else, including the anonymous downvoting kid, provided any other solution (better or worse).

Dan
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Dan Barclay wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB, MVP) wrote:
Dave Nottage wrote:

Dan Barclay wrote:

Heck, I had an answer that the user said worked downvoted once.

I've seen that happen on more than one occasion.

That it worked does not mean it was a good answer. It just solved
the question for the asker. So yes, even accepted answers can have
downvotes.

It was a decent answer that worked. Nobody else, including the
anonymous downvoting kid, provided any other solution (better or
worse).

Sure, there are some anonymous downvoters there. Not sure why they do
that. They obviously try to do some damage, or hate the answerer, or
S.O. in general, or whatever. But in general, the system seems to work
quite well, even if not always the best answer is accepted or upvoted
most, IMO.

It is certainly not a reason to abstain from using or posting questions
or answers to S.O., IMO. Or to think that S.O. sucks. It is, IMO, a
very useful platform and most answers to questions I had were already
on S.O., so I did not have to ask.

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Dave Nottage wrote:
Dan Barclay wrote:

Heck, I had an answer that the user said worked downvoted once.

I've seen that happen on more than one occasion. In one case, a comment queried why a perfectly valid answer was
downvoted, yet there were no follow-up comments.

Without attribution and/or justification, it's impossible to determine whether someone deliberately downvotes just
because they don't like:

* A certain person because they've asked a bad question before, or for some other reason

* Certain tags

* Whatever other reasons

That was my assessment as well. Anonymous flags (and usernames/comments) are the bane of the internet. I quickly lose respect for people who don't use their real names and/or hide behind anonymous flags... and for the sites that allow that.

If someone can't take responsibility for what they say, and to whom they say it, they can go back home to mom.

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Dan Barclay wrote:

That was my assessment as well. Anonymous flags (and usernames/comments) are the bane of the internet. I quickly
lose respect for people who don't use their real names and/or hide behind anonymous flags... and for the sites that
allow that.

I'm not against people not using their real names; I'm against being able to place what amounts to being a black mark
on someone else without having to justify it. Enough downvotes can prevent a user from asking further questions (using
the same login), and without requiring justification for it, it leaves the process way open to corruption.

SO is still a great resource; it would be magnitudes of order better if they fixed just that one thing.

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Dan Barclay wrote:
I quickly lose respect for people who don't use their real names

So, does that mean you have no respect for me? Because I very adamantly refuse to use my real name online for privacy and security reasons, unless required to use it for family or legal purposes.

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On 7/24/2017 1:23 PM, Remy Lebeau (TeamB) wrote:
Dan Barclay wrote:
I quickly lose respect for people who don't use their real names

So, does that mean you have no respect for me? Because I very adamantly refuse to use my real name online for privacy and security reasons, unless required to use it for family or legal purposes.

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Speaking solely for myself, I would simply state that Dan indicated that
he would 'lose' respect for someone who doesn't use their real name. I
agree with that.

You have lost one point of respect with me due to your lack of not using
your proper name. However, it is offset by the 65534 positive points
you've earned with me over the years for your vast contributions,
civility, and knowledge.

I hope that losing a count of one out of a 16-bit range doesn't hurt you
too horribly... <G>

David Erbas-White

P.S. I'll be happy to grant you a half-point for your choice of name,
however. When I need a nom de plume, I personally prefer Aloysius
Pendergast...
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Dan Barclay wrote:

Heck, I had an answer that the user
said worked downvoted once.

You had a downvote on an accepted answer of yours? That's all?

Take a look at this question (yes, about Turbo Pascal, but still):

It was accepted and downvoted (and rightly so, IMO):

https://stackoverflow.com/a/45180691/95954

It only says:

"You need pascal's else/if variant and there you have to check it's
equality."

I have no idea why it was accepted, unless the asker was a good friend
of the answerer. It makes abolutely no sense.

I also wrote an answer, gave working code, and got no vote at all.

But does that make me say that S.O. sucks? Certainly not. It is not
flawless, but it is certainly, overall, a good platform, if you know
and follow the rules and if your questions and answers aren't too badly
written and not too broad, or just opinion, etc.
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Yup. I tried to participate for a little while. It's not just the questions, it's the answers. When the kids can downvote without attribution it makes for a bad atmosphere. A downvote should have a name and explanation attached. Heck, I had an answer that the user said worked downvoted once. It may be on account of the original question, dunno, but I don't need that kind of bull.

And what about someone that receives a downvote from you - with explanation saying "your answer is incomplete or wrong because of this and that" and then the same person decides to downvote all your answers? Imagine if you live next door to this guy and park your car half inch inside his property???? :-)
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Alexandre Machado wrote:

Yup. I tried to participate for a little while. It's not just the
questions, it's the answers. When the kids can downvote without
attribution it makes for a bad atmosphere. A downvote should have
a name and explanation attached. Heck, I had an answer that the
user said worked downvoted once. It may be on account of the
original question, dunno, but I don't need that kind of bull.

And what about someone that receives a downvote from you - with
explanation saying "your answer is incomplete or wrong because of
this and that" and then the same person decides to downvote all your
answers? Imagine if you live next door to this guy and park your car
half inch inside his property???? :-)

Exactly. Anonymous (up or down) votes make a lot of sense.

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How do you mark a post as a "question" if you forgot to check the box when you first created the post? I don't see a way to do that when I edit my post. Does it even matter really?
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How do you mark a post as a "question" if you forgot to check the box
when you first created the post?

I haven't the faintest. I use NNTP and don't care (nor can I see) if a
post is marked as a question or not. It doesn't matter a lot, AFAIC.

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Keith,

| How do you mark a post as a "question" if you forgot to check the box
| when you first created the post? I don't see a way to do that when I
| edit my post. Does it even matter really?

There's no way... and it doesn't matter.

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Keith Hicks wrote:

How do you mark a post as a "question" if you forgot to check the box
when you first created the post?

When you post a new thread is posted via the web interface, and you
forget to mark the thread as a question, the following text will appear
above the thread:

This thread is not a question, you have 15 minutes after posting a
thread to mark it as a question.

It also provides a link to "Mark thread as a question".

After 15 minutes, the text and link disappear.

Does it even matter really?

It matters if you want to mark a question as answered, assigning points
to the poster of the answer that you choose to accept.

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Keith Hicks wrote:

How do you mark a post as a "question" if you forgot to check the box
when you first created the post?

When you post a new thread is posted via the web interface, and you
forget to mark the thread as a question, the following text will appear
above the thread:

This thread is not a question, you have 15 minutes after posting a
thread to mark it as a question.

It also provides a link to "Mark thread as a question".

After 15 minutes, the text and link disappear.

Does it even matter really?

It matters if you want to mark a question as answered, assigning points
to the poster of the answer that you choose to accept.

Yes you can award points, but:

a) where can I see those?
b) using the NNTP interface this is of no use, as it's not
supported there

=> I see the value of that feature being somewhat limited.

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Yes you can award points, but:

a) where can I see those?

Only on the web interface.

b) using the NNTP interface this is of no use, as it's not
supported there

Correct, marking questions and answers is not supported via NNTP.

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"Keith Hicks" wrote on Thu, 20 Jul 2017 18:27:29 -0700:

Places like stackoverflow are horrible. The people that run it are arrogant, mean and rude.

Stack Overflow is a wealth of information and an excellent place to
ask questions-- IF you take the time to follow the etiquette.

A lot of programmers can be arrogant and terse, and there are a lot of
programmers on SO. Just don some temporary armor and follow the rules
and you will do fine. If you don't want your questions answered by
people with questionable social skills, you may be in the wrong
profession.

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  Posted: Jul 22, 2017 8:21 AM   in response to: Brandon Staggs in response to: Brandon Staggs
Brandon Staggs wrote:

"Keith Hicks" wrote on Thu, 20 Jul 2017 18:27:29 -0700:

Places like stackoverflow are horrible. The people that run it are
arrogant, mean and rude.

Stack Overflow is a wealth of information and an excellent place to
ask questions-- IF you take the time to follow the etiquette.

A lot of programmers can be arrogant and terse, and there are a lot of
programmers on SO.

You will find all kinds of people on all kinds of communities, and S.O.
is not an exception, I guess. I don't think this is typical for
programmers either, and even people who must have good social skills in
real life don't have to be like that online.

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Rudy Velthuis (TeamB, MVP) wrote:

You will find all kinds of people on all kinds of communities, and S.O.
is not an exception, I guess. I don't think this is typical for
programmers either, and even people who must have good social skills in
real life don't have to be like that online.

That is indeed true.

The members of Delphi Developers on Google+ (https://plus.google.com/communities/103113685381486591754) tries to help each other out, and if the question is well described, and/or comes with a decent example - it usually doesn't take long before someone comes up with possible solutions or opinions about causes.

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  Posted: Jul 23, 2017 1:23 PM   in response to: Lars Fosdal in response to: Lars Fosdal
Lars Fosdal wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB, MVP) wrote:

You will find all kinds of people on all kinds of communities, and
S.O. is not an exception, I guess. I don't think this is typical
for programmers either, and even people who must have good social
skills in real life don't have to be like that online.

That is indeed true.

The members of Delphi Developers on Google+
(https://plus.google.com/communities/103113685381486591754) tries to
help each other out, and if the question is well described, and/or
comes with a decent example - it usually doesn't take long before
someone comes up with possible solutions or opinions about causes.

That is true for S.O. too. If the question is well described, etc. you
will often see good or even excellent answers too.

One I liked very much, yesterday:

https://stackoverflow.com/a/45245802/95954

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  Posted: Jul 23, 2017 11:10 PM   in response to: Brandon Staggs in response to: Brandon Staggs
Brandon Staggs wrote:
"Keith Hicks" wrote on Thu, 20 Jul 2017 18:27:29 -0700:

Places like stackoverflow are horrible. The people that run it are arrogant, mean and rude.

Stack Overflow is a wealth of information and an excellent place to
ask questions-- IF you take the time to follow the etiquette.

A lot of programmers can be arrogant and terse, and there are a lot of
programmers on SO.

A lot programmers there are also idiots. The whole reputation system is also broken. A short example:

Question: How to kill a thread in Delphi?

If someone is asking this question on SO he is close to be an idiot, because it has been answered 10000 times before on the Internet.
20 people upvoted this question and they are most likely idiots too. Now the person who asked the question has gained reputation, good reputation.

Answer: TerminateThread(MyThread.ThreadID)

Answer is wrong, however it has been upvoted 30 times. People who upvoted answer are clearly idiots. Person which posted this answer gained a lot of good reputation.
I don't remember if the answer had been accepted, but probably yes.

This is one of thousands examples.
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Dimitrij Kowalski wrote:

Brandon Staggs wrote:
"Keith Hicks" wrote on Thu, 20 Jul 2017 18:27:29 -0700:

Places like stackoverflow are horrible. The people that run it
are arrogant, mean and rude.

Stack Overflow is a wealth of information and an excellent place to
ask questions-- IF you take the time to follow the etiquette.

A lot of programmers can be arrogant and terse, and there are a lot
of programmers on SO.

A lot programmers there are also idiots. The whole reputation system
is also broken. A short example:

Question: How to kill a thread in Delphi?

If someone is asking this question on SO he is close to be an idiot,
because it has been answered 10000 times before on the Internet. 20
people upvoted this question and they are most likely idiots too. Now
the person who asked the question has gained reputation, good
reputation.

Reputation is just that: a score. S.O. is not a game, and to gain
really good reputation takes a little more than 20 upvotes on a
question.

If you are only in it for the points you can score, you might be
dissatisfied, or you might be happy if you gain a lot.

I use it to learn and if I can answer a question, I do, but not to
score points or reputation.
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