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Asaf Goldman

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  Posted: Jul 25, 2016 1:21 AM
Hi,

I wonder how may currently Delphi programmers are using it and does it worth to invest on it?
Does Delphi programmers are increasing or decreasing?

For mobile development iOS and Android when now we have Xamarin for free does Delphi is the one should I choose or Xamarin?

Thanks in advanced for sharing your thoughts,

AG
Ilya S

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  Posted: Jul 25, 2016 1:39 AM   in response to: Asaf Goldman in response to: Asaf Goldman
Asaf Goldman wrote:
Hi,

I wonder how may currently Delphi programmers are using it and does it worth to invest on it?
Does Delphi programmers are increasing or decreasing?

For mobile development iOS and Android when now we have Xamarin for free does Delphi is the one should I choose or Xamarin?

Thanks in advanced for sharing your thoughts,

AG

Hi! Surely you might have meant to ask "how many", haven't you?
I don't know the answer to your quiestions on numers, so speak on myself: I use Delphi for fun testing little things that may have come to mind and for work.
I didnt't try mobile, just Windows desktop. I haven't ever tried neither Xamarin, nor native mobile solutions.
Would be fun to try IoT features with Delphi if there were available.
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Matthew Kinney

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  Posted: Jul 25, 2016 5:08 AM   in response to: Asaf Goldman in response to: Asaf Goldman
I still use Delphi daily but the mobile solution, to be frank, is sorely lacking when compared to Xamarin (particularly in the price, documentation, and community department). I REALLY wanted to use FireMonkey but kept running into roadblocks and especially performance issues--albeit to be fair I haven't looked at it in depth in about 18 months. I know it has improved, but Xamarin (provided you are comfortable with .NET and C#) has so much more support, tooling, and now with Microsoft's backing, resources. I also like what the RemObjects folks are doing as well (that staff does some kick a** work with limited resources IMO), but as a business owner that has to hire programmers, it is much easier to find a qualified .NET/Visual Studio programmer and even those familiar with Xamarin than it is FMX or RemObjects. Also, and I can definitely speak to this from experience, if you ever want to sell your business or have an exit strategy to do so, you will find the going much easier with a Microsoft backed stack (I actually had to explain what Delphi was to the last inquiry we had).

Long and short of it, and this is just one entrepreneur's opinion, you can't go wrong with Xamarin provided you either possess the skill set or are willing to put the time in to acquire it. There isn't a magic bullet--to build a truly worthy mobile app, you are going to have to learn the platform independent of whatever tooling you choose to build your application with. If you want to stay with Delphi/Pascal, FMX is an option, and an improving one, but I don't foresee 3 years down the road anyone regretting their mobile platform being developed with Xamarin whereas with FMX I think the forecast is a bit (lot) murkier. I may be in the minority, but I wouldn't shed a tear if our new overlords completely dumped FMX and put resources into what most of us use daily, Delphi/VCL to build Windows applications. There is still nothing better, faster, and easier to deploy than a Delphi built app (and I have a slew of experience with .NET desktop apps).

Cheers,
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Asaf Goldman wrote:
Hi,

I wonder how may currently Delphi programmers are using it and does it worth to invest on it?
Does Delphi programmers are increasing or decreasing?

For mobile development iOS and Android when now we have Xamarin for free does Delphi is the one should I choose or Xamarin?

Thanks in advanced for sharing your thoughts,

AG
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  Posted: Jul 25, 2016 11:04 AM   in response to: Matthew Kinney in response to: Matthew Kinney
Am 25.07.2016 um 14:08 schrieb Matthew Kinney:
I still use Delphi daily but the mobile solution, to be frank, is sorely lacking when compared to Xamarin (particularly in the price, documentation, and community department).

At least back when Xamarin was not MS owned the non free versions were
sold by platform and when adding them up youm weren't really cheaper
than with Delphi. And for commercial development you usually needed one
of the non free editions.

Yes, FMX had performacne issues and some places still have them if you
di a big, but imho it improved quite a lot in that area and until
shortly Xamarin had no cross platform UI concept but: develop your UI
fresh for each platform the way that platform does UI.

Greetings

Markus
Quentin Correll


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  Posted: Jul 25, 2016 11:22 AM   in response to: Markus Humm in response to: Markus Humm
Markus,

| di a big

dig a bit (?)

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Markus Humm

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  Posted: Jul 26, 2016 8:43 AM   in response to: Quentin Correll in response to: Quentin Correll
Am 25.07.2016 um 20:22 schrieb Quentin Correll:
Markus,

| di a big

dig a bit (?)

Yes.

Greetings

Markus
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  Posted: Jul 26, 2016 6:00 AM   in response to: Markus Humm in response to: Markus Humm
On 7/25/16 2:04 PM, Markus Humm wrote:
Am 25.07.2016 um 14:08 schrieb Matthew Kinney:
I still use Delphi daily but the mobile solution, to be frank, is sorely lacking when compared to Xamarin (particularly in the price, documentation, and community department).

At least back when Xamarin was not MS owned the non free versions were
sold by platform and when adding them up youm weren't really cheaper
than with Delphi. And for commercial development you usually needed one
of the non free editions.

Their pricing was stupidly expensive. I'm fine with paying for a tool
but $999 / platform? That's obnoxious.

Yes, FMX had performacne issues and some places still have them if you
di a big, but imho it improved quite a lot in that area and until
shortly Xamarin had no cross platform UI concept but: develop your UI
fresh for each platform the way that platform does UI.

They do have a multi platform framework called Xamarin forms that lets
you develop the GUI once and it uses native controls under the covers.
Too bad it only works for iOS / Android currently.

Greetings

Markus
Markus Humm

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  Posted: Jul 26, 2016 8:43 AM   in response to: Mike Margerum in response to: Mike Margerum
Am 26.07.2016 um 15:00 schrieb Mike Margerum:
On 7/25/16 2:04 PM, Markus Humm wrote:
Am 25.07.2016 um 14:08 schrieb Matthew Kinney:
I still use Delphi daily but the mobile solution, to be frank, is sorely lacking when compared to Xamarin (particularly in the price, documentation, and community department).

At least back when Xamarin was not MS owned the non free versions were
sold by platform and when adding them up youm weren't really cheaper
than with Delphi. And for commercial development you usually needed one
of the non free editions.

Their pricing was stupidly expensive. I'm fine with paying for a tool
but $999 / platform? That's obnoxious.

Yes, FMX had performacne issues and some places still have them if you
di a big, but imho it improved quite a lot in that area and until
shortly Xamarin had no cross platform UI concept but: develop your UI
fresh for each platform the way that platform does UI.

They do have a multi platform framework called Xamarin forms that lets
you develop the GUI once and it uses native controls under the covers.
Too bad it only works for iOS / Android currently.

Yes they have that nowadays, but only for 1.5 years or so.

Greetings

Markus
Asaf Goldman

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  Posted: Jul 25, 2016 5:34 AM   in response to: Asaf Goldman in response to: Asaf Goldman
The biggest problem with FireMonkey is that it is not support BiDi RightToLeft especially for Android as for iOS I can still use TMS iCL.
On the other hand Playing around with Xamarin Forms and Xamarin Native it is so hard and so much work need to be done in order to get something where with Delphi is just drag and drop component into your form as for example TMultiView in Delphi.
Also does EMB will last/stay on this market for long after IDERA acquisition? that is why I asked if Delphi programmers are increasing or decreasing?

Regards,
AG
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  Posted: Jul 25, 2016 11:22 AM   in response to: Asaf Goldman in response to: Asaf Goldman
Asaf,

| I wonder how may currently Delphi programmers are using it and does
| it worth to invest on it?

What is "it"???

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  Posted: Jul 25, 2016 11:35 AM   in response to: Quentin Correll in response to: Quentin Correll
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Asaf,

| I wonder how may currently Delphi programmers are using it and does
| it worth to invest on it?

What is "it"???

Delphi, of course.

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  Posted: Jul 25, 2016 4:00 PM   in response to: Rudy Velthuis (... in response to: Rudy Velthuis (...
Rudy,

| | What is "it"???
|
| Delphi, of course.

That "of course" wasn't obvious to me. <g>

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  Posted: Jul 25, 2016 9:45 PM   in response to: Quentin Correll in response to: Quentin Correll
Quentin Correll wrote:

| What is "it"???

Delphi, of course.

That "of course" wasn't obvious to me. <g>

NG's English is better understandable for persons who don't know
British or American dialects (as me, for example).

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  Posted: Jul 25, 2016 4:19 PM   in response to: Asaf Goldman in response to: Asaf Goldman
Asaf Goldman wrote:
Hi,

I wonder how may currently Delphi programmers are using it and does it worth to invest on it?
Does Delphi programmers are increasing or decreasing?
Tiobe can be useful in this case.

There are 25 search engines that are used to calculate the TIOBE index. The selected search engines are the 25 highest ranked websites of Alexa that meet the following conditions:

The entry page of the site contains a search facility
The result of querying the site contains an indication of the number of page hits
The results should be available in HTML with clear tags
Search engines in languages with special characters should be encoded properly
The search engine should at least return 1 hit for 1 query
The results of querying the site shouldn't contain too many outliers
Porn sites are excluded

Take a look at:
http://www.tiobe.com/tiobe_index?page=Delphi%2FObject%20Pascal

http://www.tiobe.com/tiobe_index?page=Objective-C

http://www.tiobe.com/tiobe_index?page=C%23

Delphi graph is interesting. One can only imagine what would happen if porn sites were included! <g>

Clément
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  Posted: Jul 26, 2016 6:02 AM   in response to: Clement Doss in response to: Clement Doss
Delphi graph is interesting. One can only imagine what would happen if porn sites were included! <g>

Clément

Seems like this might be a better measure. The languages at the top are
the ones I would expect to be.

http://sogrady-media.redmonk.com/sogrady/files/2016/07/lang.rank_.Q316.plot-WM.png
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  Posted: Jul 25, 2016 5:02 PM   in response to: Asaf Goldman in response to: Asaf Goldman
when now we have Xamarin for free

I also think that Xamarin being now part of VS is quite attractive. However, stop promoting this nonsense. Xamarin is not free, just like Visual Studio (which is needed to run Xamarin) is not free.
I've been developing applications for 20+ years, have worked for many different companies and not a single one can use Visual Studio for free, because there is no free VS license which can be used by any of these companies.
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  Posted: Jul 25, 2016 9:20 PM   in response to: Alexandre Machado in response to: Alexandre Machado
Alexandre Machado wrote:
when now we have Xamarin for free

I also think that Xamarin being now part of VS is quite attractive. However, stop promoting this nonsense. Xamarin is not free, just like Visual Studio (which is needed to run Xamarin) is not free.
I've been developing applications for 20+ years, have worked for many different companies and not a single one can use Visual Studio for free, because there is no free VS license which can be used by any of these companies.

Xamarin Studio for OS X is free.
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  Posted: Jul 25, 2016 9:44 PM   in response to: Jeremy North in response to: Jeremy North
Xamarin Studio for OS X is free.

What part of the "Small teams" in the license did you miss?

Maybe with a link it is better: https://store.xamarin.com

quoting:

Xamarin Studio Community
FREE
A free, full-featured IDE for Mac users to create Android and iOS apps using Xamarin.
Students
OSS development
Small teams

Again: IT IS NOT FREE!
Asaf Goldman

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  Posted: Jul 25, 2016 11:48 PM   in response to: Alexandre Machado in response to: Alexandre Machado
"Small teams" what is the definition for "Small teams"? for how many developers?
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  Posted: Jul 26, 2016 12:45 AM   in response to: Asaf Goldman in response to: Asaf Goldman
Asaf Goldman wrote:

"Small teams" what is the definition for "Small teams"? for how many
developers?

Up to 5 and it must be in a small company too. See defintion in the
link in my posting.
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  Posted: Jul 26, 2016 12:52 AM   in response to: Asaf Goldman in response to: Asaf Goldman
Asaf Goldman wrote:

"Small teams" what is the definition for "Small teams"? for how many developers?

The Small Teams link goes here:

https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/support/legal/mt171547

Which says (the important parts):

"If none of the above apply, and you are also not an enterprise (defined below), then up to 5 of your individual users
can use the software concurrently to develop and test your applications.

If you are an enterprise, your employees and contractors may not use the software to develop or test your applications,
except for open source and education purposes as permitted above. An "enterprise" is any organization and its
affiliates who collectively have either (a) more than 250 computers or users or (b) more than one million US dollars
(or the equivalent in other currencies) in annual revenues, and "affiliates" means those entities that control (via
majority ownership), are controlled by, or are under common control with an organization"

IANAL, but to me, that says if your company earns > US$1 million in revenue, or have > 250 computers or users, you
cannot use it for commerical development for free even if there are 5 or less users using it.

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  Posted: Jul 26, 2016 4:58 PM   in response to: Dave Nottage in response to: Dave Nottage
IANAL, but to me, that says if your company earns > US$1 million in revenue, or have > 250 computers or users, you
cannot use it for commerical development for free even if there are 5 or less users using it.

Yes, you are correct. Thus, it has never been free, although one can be entitled to use a free license while his situation allows it, according to the license.
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  Posted: Jul 26, 2016 7:56 AM   in response to: Asaf Goldman in response to: Asaf Goldman
On 7/25/2016 11:48 PM, Asaf Goldman wrote:

Small teams = a team of hobbits...

David Erbas-White

"Small teams" what is the definition for "Small teams"? for how many developers?
Robert Triest

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  Posted: Jul 26, 2016 8:24 AM   in response to: David Erbas-White in response to: David Erbas-White
Tall teams = a team of Dutch people.

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-36888541
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  Posted: Jul 27, 2016 7:43 PM   in response to: David Erbas-White in response to: David Erbas-White
David Erbas-White wrote:

Small teams = a team of hobbits...

So basically us Kiwis then? :-)

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  Posted: Jul 27, 2016 8:38 PM   in response to: David Clegg in response to: David Clegg
David Clegg wrote:

David Erbas-White wrote:

Small teams = a team of hobbits...

So basically us Kiwis then? :-)

Only the ones with furry feet. :-)

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  Posted: Jul 26, 2016 12:42 AM   in response to: Alexandre Machado in response to: Alexandre Machado
Alexandre Machado wrote:

Xamarin Studio for OS X is free.

What part of the "Small teams" in the license did you miss?

Maybe with a link it is better: https://store.xamarin.com

quoting:

Xamarin Studio Community
FREE
A free, full-featured IDE for Mac users to create Android and iOS
apps using Xamarin. Students
OSS development
Small teams

Again: IT IS NOT FREE!

My company is small enough to qualify for "small teams".
https://www.visualstudio.com/support/legal/mt171547
So, yes it is free for me.
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My company is small enough to qualify for "small teams".
https://www.visualstudio.com/support/legal/mt171547
So, yes it is free for me.

The fact that you are entitled to use a free license does not mean that the product is free.
This is so true that, the moment that your company start making more than $ 1 million per year, you cannot use it anymore. Thus, it has never been free, because you cannot charge for anything that has been given for free before.
I hope you guys can understand this difference.
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  Posted: Jul 27, 2016 12:04 AM   in response to: Alexandre Machado in response to: Alexandre Machado
Alexandre Machado wrote:

My company is small enough to qualify for "small teams".
https://www.visualstudio.com/support/legal/mt171547
So, yes it is free for me.

The fact that you are entitled to use a free license does not mean
that the product is free. This is so true that, the moment that your
company start making more than $ 1 million per year, you cannot use
it anymore. Thus, it has never been free, because you cannot charge
for anything that has been given for free before. I hope you guys
can understand this difference.

"Free Software Foundation" also claims to be about free software, but
that is also restricted in its use: You have to release the source code
you develop, using it (the short version of GPL).

I hope you can understand there are different level of being "free" and
I still claim the right to consider something as free, if it is free
for my usage.

e.g. companies dual-licensing through GPL and a commercial license is
really doing exactly the same as MS, when they have 2 versions
(community/pro). Potato-Potato !
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  Posted: Jul 27, 2016 2:04 PM   in response to: Uffe Kousgaard in response to: Uffe Kousgaard
Uffe Kousgaard wrote:
Alexandre Machado wrote:

My company is small enough to qualify for "small teams".
https://www.visualstudio.com/support/legal/mt171547
So, yes it is free for me.

The fact that you are entitled to use a free license does not mean
that the product is free. This is so true that, the moment that your
company start making more than $ 1 million per year, you cannot use
it anymore. Thus, it has never been free, because you cannot charge
for anything that has been given for free before. I hope you guys
can understand this difference.

"Free Software Foundation" also claims to be about free software, but
that is also restricted in its use: You have to release the source code
you develop, using it (the short version of GPL).

I hope you can understand there are different level of being "free" and
I still claim the right to consider something as free, if it is free
for my usage.

e.g. companies dual-licensing through GPL and a commercial license is
really doing exactly the same as MS, when they have 2 versions
(community/pro). Potato-Potato !

You are using "free" and "I don't have to pay for it" as identical things. Of course, they are not.
It is more like apple-oranges.
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  Posted: Jul 28, 2016 11:13 AM   in response to: Alexandre Machado in response to: Alexandre Machado
Alexandre,

| You are using "free" and "I don't have to pay for it" as identical
| things. Of course, they are not.

Of course they are for him! <g>

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Asaf Goldman wrote:

For mobile development iOS and Android when now we have Xamarin for free does Delphi is the one should I choose or
Xamarin?

Have you actually looked at how cross-platform development is achieved with Xamarin? If not, I suggest you do;
especially if you have some experience doing the same with Delphi.

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  Posted: Jul 25, 2016 11:59 PM   in response to: Dave Nottage in response to: Dave Nottage
Yes, Dave I did play around with Xamarin Forms for cross-platform and what you can get with Delphi with just drag&drop to a form is a lot of work to do with Xamarin.
BUT and this is a BIG disadvantage of Delphi/FireMonkey is the lack of full BiDi RightToLeft especially for Android that hold around 65% market share and there are billions of BiDi RightToLeft Readers/Writers around the world.
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Asaf Goldman wrote:
Yes, Dave I did play around with Xamarin Forms for cross-platform and what you can get with Delphi with just drag&drop to a form is a lot of work to do with Xamarin.
BUT and this is a BIG disadvantage of Delphi/FireMonkey is the lack of full BiDi RightToLeft especially for Android that hold around 65% market share and there are billions of BiDi RightToLeft Readers/Writers around the world.

Have you seen this? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18883356/delphi-xe5-right-to-left-languages-dont-appear-as-they-should-in-android
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  Posted: Jul 27, 2016 12:40 AM   in response to: Dimitrij Kowalski in response to: Dimitrij Kowalski

Yes I am aware of it but D.P.F Delphi Android Native Components does not support Delphi Berlin 10.1 and for iOS I can use TMS iCL.
Android is the main problem with BiDi not supported by FireMonkey.

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  Posted: Jul 27, 2016 8:32 AM   in response to: Asaf Goldman in response to: Asaf Goldman
Am 27.07.2016 um 09:40 schrieb Asaf Goldman:

Yes I am aware of it but D.P.F Delphi Android Native Components does not support Delphi Berlin 10.1 and for iOS I can use TMS iCL.
Android is the main problem with BiDi not supported by FireMonkey.

Maybe more people writing to the product managers and requesting BiDi
support helps to get this sooner?

Just moaning here in this group will not achieve anything in this regard.

Also asking in some of the webinars might be helpful as well, because
most of the time prominent EMBT folks are in as well and other people
might join with their comments that they need this. This can build up a
bit of preassure.

Greetings

Markus

Daniel Rail

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  Posted: Jul 28, 2016 10:25 AM   in response to: Markus Humm in response to: Markus Humm
On 2016-07-27 12:32 PM, Markus Humm wrote:
Am 27.07.2016 um 09:40 schrieb Asaf Goldman:

Yes I am aware of it but D.P.F Delphi Android Native Components does not support Delphi Berlin 10.1 and for iOS I can use TMS iCL.
Android is the main problem with BiDi not supported by FireMonkey.

Maybe more people writing to the product managers and requesting BiDi
support helps to get this sooner?

Just moaning here in this group will not achieve anything in this regard.

Also asking in some of the webinars might be helpful as well, because
most of the time prominent EMBT folks are in as well and other people
might join with their comments that they need this. This can build up a
bit of preassure.


Actually, this has been asked about, at webinars, since XE2 was
released, in 2011(almost 5 years now).

Also, there are 4 feature requests for this on Quality Portal(RSP-9594,
RSP-11899, RSP-13298 and RSP-13372), and I haven't checked on QC.

Daniel Rail
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  Posted: Jul 27, 2016 5:32 PM   in response to: Asaf Goldman in response to: Asaf Goldman
Luigi Sandon

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  Posted: Jul 28, 2016 2:53 AM   in response to: Enrico Pergola in response to: Enrico Pergola

It looks InstallAware is not famous enough. They had a spat with Wikipedia because their page was removed because the product was not notable enough <G>.

http://thewikipedian.net/2016/06/02/installaware-submission-declined-eight-times/
http://www.installaware.com/news-wikipedia-censors-installaware.htm

Of course the usual friendly attitude of InstallAware people - especially its founder/feveloper - helped them a lot...
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