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Christopher Burke

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  Posted: Sep 28, 2015 12:13 AM
Finding it very limiting using web based access to these forums, and was looking for some recommendations on an NNTP newsreader that works with the new servers.

I used to use XNEWS, but it doesn't support SSL.

XANANEWS crashes on Windows 10 at start up.

What other options are there around these days ?

Thanks.
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Christopher Burke wrote:
Finding it very limiting using web based access to these forums, and was looking for some recommendations on an NNTP newsreader that works with the new servers.

I used to use XNEWS, but it doesn't support SSL.

XANANEWS crashes on Windows 10 at start up.

What other options are there around these days ?

I use SeaMonkey, the "web + mail" suite from Mozilla.
Basically, it's Firefox + Thunderbird in one package.
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I use Virtual Access (http://www.virtual-access.org/) with an sTunnel proxy
(https://www.stunnel.org/index.html) for the new SSL requirement. Works very well.

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Am 28.09.2015 um 09:13 schrieb Christopher Burke:
Finding it very limiting using web based access to these forums, and was looking for some recommendations on an NNTP newsreader that works with the new servers.

I used to use XNEWS, but it doesn't support SSL.

XANANEWS crashes on Windows 10 at start up.

What other options are there around these days ?

Thanks.
I use Thunderbird, but MesNews is also very good:

http://www.mesnews.net/

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  Posted: Sep 28, 2015 3:04 AM   in response to: Christopher Burke in response to: Christopher Burke
Christopher Burke wrote:

Finding it very limiting using web based access to these forums, and
was looking for some recommendations on an NNTP newsreader that works
with the new servers.

I used to use XNEWS, but it doesn't support SSL.

XANANEWS crashes on Windows 10 at start up.

Huh? I guess I'll have to ask on geldenhuys.co.uk. It should not crash
on Win 10, and it is my recommendation. By far the best NNTP
newsreader, IMO, and I have had (bought, if necessary) all of them,
including the others mentioned here.

FWIW, for SSL you can use STunnel. I have used it for many years.

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Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

Christopher Burke wrote:

Finding it very limiting using web based access to these forums, and
was looking for some recommendations on an NNTP newsreader that
works with the new servers.

I used to use XNEWS, but it doesn't support SSL.

XANANEWS crashes on Windows 10 at start up.

Huh? I guess I'll have to ask on geldenhuys.co.uk. It should not crash
on Win 10

OK, you are not the only one. It primarily seems to happen on systems
that upgraded from Win 8.1 or 7, and not so often on clean new installs
of Win 10.

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Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

Christopher Burke wrote:

Finding it very limiting using web based access to these forums,
and was looking for some recommendations on an NNTP newsreader
that works with the new servers.

I used to use XNEWS, but it doesn't support SSL.

XANANEWS crashes on Windows 10 at start up.

Huh? I guess I'll have to ask on geldenhuys.co.uk. It should not
crash on Win 10

OK, you are not the only one. It primarily seems to happen on systems
that upgraded from Win 8.1 or 7, and not so often on clean new
installs of Win 10.

I'm using XanaNews1.19.1.269 on Win 10, upgraded from Win 7. Runs
fine, with one exception. When I click Quick Get, it first says that
it can't load the SSL DLL, then when I click it again, it functions
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  Posted: Sep 28, 2015 10:03 AM   in response to: Van Swofford in response to: Van Swofford
Van Swofford wrote:

When I click Quick Get, it first says that
it can't load the SSL DLL, then when I click it again, it functions
normally.

That happens to me ever since I replaced my SSL libs w/ those that ship
with 1.20. I backed up my exe but not my ssl libs when moving from 1.19
to 1.20, so I didn't restore my SSL file.

It happens every time on start up, but clicking the lightning bolt in
XN gets past the problem.

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  Posted: Sep 30, 2015 11:30 AM   in response to: John Kaster in response to: John Kaster
XanaNews 1.20
At Win10 Pro (fresh install) I do not have any problem with the EMBA forums, BUT with other ones like the JCL, JVCL and from others it will not work
I can load the newsgroup list, I can subscribe the newsgroups but if I will get the messages several messages are loading and than it stops with the error "Pipeline out of sequence ..."

Any ideas to solve it?

Karlheinz
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  Posted: Sep 30, 2015 3:44 PM   in response to: Karlheinz Jansen in response to: Karlheinz Jansen
Karlheinz Jansen wrote:

Any ideas to solve it?

Sorry, I personally don't have any recommendations. Hopefully one of
the sharp people here experienced w/ those forums and XN will respond.

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  Posted: Sep 28, 2015 6:51 AM   in response to: Christopher Burke in response to: Christopher Burke
Thanks for all the replies, Mesnews didn't connect - but Thunderbird does work with the security.ssl3.dhe_rsa_aes fix from another thread.

Back in business.
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Christopher Burke wrote:

Thanks for all the replies, Mesnews didn't connect - but Thunderbird
does work with the security.ssl3.dhe_rsa_aes fix from another thread.

Back in business.

To be frankly, as an NNTP newsreader, Thunderbird sucks, IMO.

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On 29/09/2015 2:22 AM, Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
Christopher Burke wrote:

Thanks for all the replies, Mesnews didn't connect - but Thunderbird
does work with the security.ssl3.dhe_rsa_aes fix from another thread.

Back in business.

To be frankly, as an NNTP newsreader, Thunderbird sucks, IMO.
Indeeed ... but so far it is either that or the web interface which
sucks more.
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Christopher Burke wrote:

or the web interface which
sucks more

Small consolation: there was worse web interfaces for threaded
discussions ;)

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  Posted: Sep 29, 2015 11:57 PM   in response to: John Kaster in response to: John Kaster
On 30/09/2015 01:01, John Kaster wrote:
Christopher Burke wrote:

or the web interface which
sucks more

Small consolation: there was worse web interfaces for threaded
discussions ;)
My Thunderbird as news reader stopped working with Embarcadero
Discussion Forums. It took a wile to fix.
The solution was to switch to ssl in the configuration
AND !! using this advice
https://forums.embarcadero.com/thread.jspa?threadID=117291
now it is OK.
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Christopher Burke wrote:

On 29/09/2015 2:22 AM, Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
Christopher Burke wrote:

Thanks for all the replies, Mesnews didn't connect - but
Thunderbird >> does work with the security.ssl3.dhe_rsa_aes fix from
another thread.

Back in business.

To be frankly, as an NNTP newsreader, Thunderbird sucks, IMO.
Indeeed ... but so far it is either that or the web interface which
sucks more.

True. I hope they get XanaNews working reliably on Win10. It is IMO the
best newsreader there is.

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Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

True. I hope they get XanaNews working reliably on Win10. It is IMO
the best newsreader there is.

Agreed!

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Rudy,

| I hope they get XanaNews working reliably on Win10.

Who is "they?"

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  Posted: Sep 30, 2015 12:21 PM   in response to: Quentin Correll in response to: Quentin Correll
Quentin Correll wrote:

Rudy,

I hope they get XanaNews working reliably on Win10.

Who is "they?"

OK, Graeme. <g>

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  Posted: Sep 28, 2015 9:54 AM   in response to: Christopher Burke in response to: Christopher Burke
Thanks for all the replies, Mesnews didn't connect - but Thunderbird does
work with the security.ssl3.dhe_rsa_aes fix from another thread.

Back in business.

Just installed MesNews on my Windows 10 laptop.
From this laptop I send this reply.
(Before I used MesNews only on my Windows 7 desktop)
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On 29/09/2015 2:54 AM, Helmuth J.H. Adolph wrote:
Thanks for all the replies, Mesnews didn't connect - but Thunderbird does
work with the security.ssl3.dhe_rsa_aes fix from another thread.

Back in business.

Just installed MesNews on my Windows 10 laptop.

Won't even connect to the server here, and the support group is in
French so I couldn't get very far with that.
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  Posted: Sep 28, 2015 9:43 AM   in response to: Christopher Burke in response to: Christopher Burke
"Christopher Burke" wrote on Mon, 28 Sep 2015 00:13:05 -0700:

What other options are there around these days ?

Still using 40tude Dialog myself:

http://dialog.datalist.org/

It's completely abandoned and the last version available is an old
beta, but it works, is very flexible and supports scripting, and I'm
used to it....

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  Posted: Sep 28, 2015 10:01 AM   in response to: Christopher Burke in response to: Christopher Burke
Christopher Burke wrote:

XANANEWS crashes on Windows 10 at start up.

FWIW, I'm using XN 1.19.1.269 without issue. I reported an
unrecoverable error (lazily, here on this forum) with the latest
download from the XN site .. the response I got here was a class 'works
on my machine' variant :)

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On 29/09/2015 3:01 AM, John Kaster wrote:
Christopher Burke wrote:

XANANEWS crashes on Windows 10 at start up.

FWIW, I'm using XN 1.19.1.269 without issue. I reported an
unrecoverable error (lazily, here on this forum) with the latest
download from the XN site .. the response I got here was a class 'works
on my machine' variant :)
I've tried the most recent 3 versions, all exhibit the same crash every
time.
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Christopher Burke wrote:

I've tried the most recent 3 versions, all exhibit the same crash
every time.

That is really unfortunate. Sorry I can't investigate further right now.

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  Posted: Sep 28, 2015 11:56 AM   in response to: Christopher Burke in response to: Christopher Burke
Christopher wrote:

What other options are there around these days ?

I use JetBrains Omea Reader:

https://www.jetbrains.com/omea/reader/

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On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 00:13:05 -0700, Christopher Burke <> wrote:

What other options are there around these days ?

Forte Agent

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Vladimir Ulchenko wrote:

Forte Agent

A blast from the past! I think that's what I used before XanaNews.

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On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 15:02:59 -0700, John Kaster <edn at johnkaster dot com> wrote:

A blast from the past! I think that's what I used before XanaNews.

quote from their site: "What a journey we embarked on with the release of Agent .99 in the summer of 1995. Who knew that twenty years later
Agent would still be going strong, currently offering version 8.0 to a world-wide community of users?"

I'm keep using v.6 and wonder what were your reasons to switch to xananews?

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  Posted: Sep 30, 2015 3:49 PM   in response to: Vladimir Ulchenko in response to: Vladimir Ulchenko
Vladimir Ulchenko wrote:

I'm keep using v.6 and wonder what were your reasons to switch to
xananews?

Wow, it's so long ago it's hard for me to say. Maybe because of the
direct integration to the browser-interface for Embarcadero forums. I
think there were some other tweaks it had. Forensic mode could have
been a compelling feature as well.

I definitely liked Agent when I was using it.

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On Wed, 30 Sep 2015 15:49:28 -0700, John Kaster <edn at johnkaster dot com> wrote:

direct integration to the browser-interface for Embarcadero forums. I

never liked forums and browser-interface to access borland newsgroups

think there were some other tweaks it had. Forensic mode could have
been a compelling feature as well.

I must admit that I don't even know what is it

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Vladimir Ulchenko wrote:

never liked forums and browser-interface to access borland newsgroups

Xananews has a little "globe" button that gives you the direct browser
URL corresponding to any message in XN. This is very useful for sharing
specific posts with other people.

For example, your message link is
https://forums.embarcadero.com/thread.jspa?messageID=709936&tstart=0#709936

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On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 09:42:31 -0700, John Kaster <edn at johnkaster dot com> wrote:

Xananews has a little "globe" button that gives you the direct browser
URL corresponding to any message in XN. This is very useful for sharing
specific posts with other people.

For example, your message link is
https://forums.embarcadero.com/thread.jspa?messageID=709936&tstart=0#709936

below is part of the info about your post that agent reported after hitting "H" hotkey:

Xref: forums.embarcadero.com embarcadero.public.delphi.non-technical:195147
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Utf-8"
Message-ID: <734464 at forums dot embarcadero dot com>
References: <733872 at forums dot embarcadero dot com> <734061 at forums dot embarcadero dot com>
<734176 at forums dot embarcadero dot com> <734209 at forums dot embarcadero dot com>
<734352 at forums dot embarcadero dot com> <734408 at forums dot embarcadero dot com>
Lines: 18
X-Source-Client: nntp
X-Posting-Host: 24.6.93.59
NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.6.93.59
X-Post-Url:
https://forums.embarcadero.com/thread.jspa?messageID=709982&tstart=0#709982

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  Posted: Oct 2, 2015 9:34 AM   in response to: Vladimir Ulchenko in response to: Vladimir Ulchenko
below is part of the info about your post that agent reported after
hitting "H" hotkey:

Right, that's what makes the support possible. Does Agent give you a
browser link to open per message, or would you just click the URL after
hitting the "H" hotkey?

As I said previously, I don't recall all the reasons I switched from
Agent to XanaNews. I do remember that I still liked Agent.

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On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 09:34:24 -0700, John Kaster <edn at johnkaster dot com> wrote:

Right, that's what makes the support possible. Does Agent give you a
browser link to open per message, or would you just click the URL after
hitting the "H" hotkey?

hmm, I already quoted meaningful part of the info it gives
one can either click it to open in browser or copy to paste elsewhere

As I said previously, I don't recall all the reasons I switched from
Agent to XanaNews. I do remember that I still liked Agent.

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I already quoted meaningful part of the info it gives

Right. I was just asking if it was clickable.

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John,

| Xananews has a little "globe" button that gives you the direct browser
| URL corresponding to any message in XN.

Where?

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John,

Xananews has a little "globe" button that gives you the direct
browser URL corresponding to any message in XN.

Where?

In the message pane on the lower right, at the top is the message
title, followed by a capital F, followed by the globe, followed by the
text encoding combobox.

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Van,

| In the message pane on the lower right, at the top is the message
| title, followed by a capital F, followed by the globe, followed by the
| text encoding combobox.

Wheee! I found it! It works!
"https://forums.embarcadero.com/thread.jspa?messageID=710189&tstart=0#71
0189"

Thanks!!!

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Quentin Correll wrote:

Van,

In the message pane on the lower right, at the top is the message
title, followed by a capital F, followed by the globe, followed by the
text encoding combobox.

Wheee! I found it! It works!
"https://forums.embarcadero.com/thread.jspa?messageID=710189&tstart=0#71
0189"

Thanks!!!

Those of us who are old geezers enjoy our simple pleasures! <VBG!>

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  Posted: Oct 4, 2015 11:35 AM   in response to: John Treder in response to: John Treder
John,

| Those of us who are old geezers enjoy our simple pleasures! <VBG!>

But it seems they are becoming more difficult to find. <sigh>

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  Posted: Oct 8, 2015 11:15 AM   in response to: John Treder in response to: John Treder
John Treder wrote:

Those of us who are old geezers enjoy our simple pleasures!

LOL

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  Posted: Dec 16, 2015 8:42 AM   in response to: Christopher Burke in response to: Christopher Burke
Christopher Burke wrote:

XANANEWS crashes on Windows 10 at start up.

Just a quick follow-up. The Win10 issues was reported on the XanaNews support newsgroup too. Then a little while later the original poster replied to say everything is working again. Here is what he said:

Ran sfc /scannow on both PCs, and some errors were fixed - mand
Xananews is now running as before! Delighted.

Others have reported that hey had no issues upgrading to Win10 or installing from new and running XanaNews.

Regards,
Graeme
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