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Ronald Klitsche

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  Posted: Jun 16, 2015 6:08 AM
Is marketing is faster then development? This page:
http://www.embarcadero.com/products/rad-studio

talk about XE8 Update 1:
... Embarcadero has fully tested RAD Studio XE8 Update 1 to be Windows ready
and offers full support for your deployed Windows 10 applications.

Ronald
Dalija Prasnikar

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  Posted: Jun 16, 2015 7:15 AM   in response to: Ronald Klitsche in response to: Ronald Klitsche
Ronald Klitsche wrote:
Is marketing is faster then development? This page:
http://www.embarcadero.com/products/rad-studio

talk about XE8 Update 1:
... Embarcadero has fully tested RAD Studio XE8 Update 1 to be Windows ready
and offers full support for your deployed Windows 10 applications.

Update should be in shortly, see comments from Marco Cantù
https://plus.google.com/116682952027238449863/posts/guHkjAknLac

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  Posted: Jun 16, 2015 9:21 AM   in response to: Dalija Prasnikar in response to: Dalija Prasnikar
Dalija Prasnikar wrote:

Update should be in shortly, see comments from Marco Cantù
https://plus.google.com/116682952027238449863/posts/guHkjAknLac

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This episode underlines for me just how unethical it is for Embarcadero to require a subscription even for bug fixes!
Dalija Prasnikar

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  Posted: Jun 16, 2015 1:28 PM   in response to: Graham Stratford in response to: Graham Stratford
Graham Stratford wrote:
Dalija Prasnikar wrote:

Update should be in shortly, see comments from Marco Cantù
https://plus.google.com/116682952027238449863/posts/guHkjAknLac

This episode underlines for me just how unethical it is for Embarcadero to require a subscription even for bug fixes!

I still cannot wrap my head around that. I think I have to really see
it happening in order to believe it.

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David Erbas-White

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  Posted: Jun 16, 2015 1:57 PM   in response to: Dalija Prasnikar in response to: Dalija Prasnikar
On 6/16/2015 1:28 PM, Dalija Prasnikar wrote:
Graham Stratford wrote:
Dalija Prasnikar wrote:

Update should be in shortly, see comments from Marco Cantù
https://plus.google.com/116682952027238449863/posts/guHkjAknLac

This episode underlines for me just how unethical it is for Embarcadero to require a subscription even for bug fixes!

I still cannot wrap my head around that. I think I have to really see
it happening in order to believe it.

Marco's comment makes it very clear that it's true -- did you read it?

David Erbas-White
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  Posted: Jun 17, 2015 1:02 AM   in response to: David Erbas-White in response to: David Erbas-White
David Erbas-White wrote:
On 6/16/2015 1:28 PM, Dalija Prasnikar wrote:
Graham Stratford wrote:
Dalija Prasnikar wrote:

Update should be in shortly, see comments from Marco Cantù
https://plus.google.com/116682952027238449863/posts/guHkjAknLac

This episode underlines for me just how unethical it is for Embarcadero to require a subscription even for bug fixes!

I still cannot wrap my head around that. I think I have to really see
it happening in order to believe it.

Marco's comment makes it very clear that it's true -- did you read it?

Of course, I did. But I prefer living in denial for a little while longer <G>

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Nick Hodges

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  Posted: Jun 16, 2015 6:09 PM   in response to: Dalija Prasnikar in response to: Dalija Prasnikar
Dalija Prasnikar wrote:

I still cannot wrap my head around that. I think I have to really see
it happening in order to believe it.

It's not like they haven't been warning you.

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Dalija Prasnikar

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  Posted: Jun 17, 2015 1:07 AM   in response to: Nick Hodges in response to: Nick Hodges
Nick Hodges wrote:
Dalija Prasnikar wrote:

I still cannot wrap my head around that. I think I have to really see
it happening in order to believe it.

It's not like they haven't been warning you.

It is not like being warned or not is real issue here.

It is about selling product with zero support.

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  Posted: Jun 17, 2015 6:53 AM   in response to: Dalija Prasnikar in response to: Dalija Prasnikar
Dalija Prasnikar wrote:

It is about selling product with zero support.

It is about selling product with zero support and a lot of known bugs.

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  Posted: Jun 17, 2015 11:25 AM   in response to: Cesar Romero in response to: Cesar Romero
Cesar Romero wrote:
Dalija Prasnikar wrote:

It is about selling product with zero support.

It is about selling product with zero support and a lot of known bugs.


Absolutely.

On slightly different matter - replying here is pure nightmare, so if I remain silent
it is because I cannot get through...

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  Posted: Jun 17, 2015 6:56 AM   in response to: Dalija Prasnikar in response to: Dalija Prasnikar
Dalija Prasnikar wrote:

It is about selling product with zero support.

It is about selling product with zero support and a lot of known bugs.

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Cesar Romero

Christopher Burke

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  Posted: Jun 17, 2015 7:05 AM   in response to: Dalija Prasnikar in response to: Dalija Prasnikar
Dalija Prasnikar <> wrote in news:726549 at forums dot embarcadero dot com:

It is about selling product with zero support.

That's odd - zero means something a touch different where I come from.

I suspect what you mean is they are selling a product with improved support
- that costs money.

From my perspective $20/week for full blown support and upgrades twice a
year and bug fixes and access to their programmers a few times a year as
well - for a professional (Enterprise version) tool is FKN awesome.
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  Posted: Jun 17, 2015 9:03 AM   in response to: Christopher Burke in response to: Christopher Burke
"Christopher Burke" <newsgroups at craznar dot com> wrote in message
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... they are selling a product with improved support ...

That remains to be seen.

Currently the product(s) they're selling at the "base" price point similar
to previous versions, actually come with less support, definitely not an
improvement.


From my perspective $20/week for full blown support and upgrades twice a

If the above turns out to be true ("improved support"), might be worth it -
although the upgrades multiple times a year is actually a burden for some
(would be for us, if we bothered to try to keep up) - I am aware of the
moving target OS issues involved, but that's not currently an issue for us.

Apparently that TList bug did not exist prior to XE8...
Will be interested in any other fixes in XE8 (update1), backported to
earlier versions... (out-of-memory issue improvements maybe?)
I don't think we've seen any XE8 fixes backported yet, but I might be
unaware... There were fixes in XE8, right?

year and bug fixes and access to their programmers a few times a year as

where did you see "access to their programmers" advertised?
I've missed that one (I don't think that's what support incidents get you,
if that's what you're referring to).
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  Posted: Jun 19, 2015 2:30 AM   in response to: Christopher Burke in response to: Christopher Burke
Christopher Burke wrote:
Dalija Prasnikar <> wrote in news:726549 at forums dot embarcadero dot com:

It is about selling product with zero support.

That's odd - zero means something a touch different where I come from.

I suspect what you mean is they are selling a product with improved support
- that costs money.

I meant what I said. Selling product with zero or no support at all. Since EMBT
is actively selling upgrades and full licenses that do not include subscription, and
they will deny you fix to serious regression and other bugs introduced in base
product for those licenses, they are selling product with zero support. And it is not
like they will not give you fixes for 2 years old product, but for 2 months old product.

If they want to go on subscription model, that is fine with me, but in that case they
should stop selling licenses without it.

As for improved support, that yet shell to be seen. I would not keep my hopes high.

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  Posted: Jun 19, 2015 3:37 AM   in response to: Dalija Prasnikar in response to: Dalija Prasnikar
Dalija Prasnikar wrote:

If they want to go on subscription model, that is fine with me, but
in that case they should stop selling licenses without it.

I'm not wild about Embarcadero selling versions of Delphi that won't
include all updates.

However, as people have been saying for several releases, If you are
using a modern version of Delphi, having a subscription is the only
option that makes sense.

I think Embarcadero should go to a purely subscription model. Which, of
course, people will complain about as well.

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  Posted: Jun 19, 2015 3:59 AM   in response to: Bruce McGee in response to: Bruce McGee
Bruce McGee wrote:
Dalija Prasnikar wrote:

If they want to go on subscription model, that is fine with me, but
in that case they should stop selling licenses without it.

I'm not wild about Embarcadero selling versions of Delphi that won't
include all updates.

However, as people have been saying for several releases, If you are
using a modern version of Delphi, having a subscription is the only
option that makes sense.

Whether or not subscription is the only option that makes sense, point is that
selling licenses without any support is doing real harm to EMBT company
image. There is no marketing that can fix it.

I think Embarcadero should go to a purely subscription model. Which, of
course, people will complain about as well.

Depends on the model.

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  Posted: Jun 19, 2015 4:31 AM   in response to: Dalija Prasnikar in response to: Dalija Prasnikar
Dalija Prasnikar wrote:

Bruce McGee wrote:
Dalija Prasnikar wrote:

If they want to go on subscription model, that is fine with me,
but in that case they should stop selling licenses without it.

I'm not wild about Embarcadero selling versions of Delphi that won't
include all updates.

However, as people have been saying for several releases, If you are
using a modern version of Delphi, having a subscription is the only
option that makes sense.

Whether or not subscription is the only option that makes sense,
point is that selling licenses without any support is doing real harm
to EMBT company image. There is no marketing that can fix it.

It's generating a bunch of noise. I'm not sure how much actual harm is
being done, though.

I think Embarcadero should go to a purely subscription model.
Which, of course, people will complain about as well.

Depends on the model.

The current model.

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Brandon Staggs

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  Posted: Jun 19, 2015 5:37 AM   in response to: Bruce McGee in response to: Bruce McGee
"Bruce McGee" wrote on Fri, 19 Jun 2015 04:31:34 -0700:

Whether or not subscription is the only option that makes sense,
point is that selling licenses without any support is doing real harm
to EMBT company image. There is no marketing that can fix it.

It's generating a bunch of noise. I'm not sure how much actual harm is
being done, though.

There are serious basic functionality defects in XE8. It's an
expensive product. If you bought it without an update subscription I'd
say it's going to be more than noise. Emb would do well to just stop
selling it without an update subscription. There is nothing unusual
in this industry about subscription-only licenses and they should just
go that way 100% and avoid all of this. People will complain about
the cost, but that is far better than complaining about not being able
to use a product you spent hundreds or thousands on because of
regression bugs in TList or whatever.

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Bruce McGee

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  Posted: Jun 19, 2015 6:15 AM   in response to: Brandon Staggs in response to: Brandon Staggs
Brandon Staggs wrote:

"Bruce McGee" wrote on Fri, 19 Jun 2015 04:31:34 -0700:

Whether or not subscription is the only option that makes sense,
point is that selling licenses without any support is doing real
harm >> to EMBT company image. There is no marketing that can fix it.

It's generating a bunch of noise. I'm not sure how much actual harm
is being done, though.

There are serious basic functionality defects in XE8. It's an
expensive product. If you bought it without an update subscription I'd
say it's going to be more than noise. Emb would do well to just stop
selling it without an update subscription. There is nothing unusual
in this industry about subscription-only licenses and they should just
go that way 100% and avoid all of this. People will complain about
the cost, but that is far better than complaining about not being able
to use a product you spent hundreds or thousands on because of
regression bugs in TList or whatever.

When updates were available without a subscription, people complained
(and are still complaining) that they didn't get bug fixes and new
functionality that came out in a later release.

This isn't that much different.

I do think this was a mistake on Embarcadero's part (sorry guys). If
they are moving to a purely subscription model (and I hope they do),
then the last version that is available for sale without requiring a
subscription should include all updates, just like with previous
versions.

But I have a hard time taking the doom and gloom perditions seriously.

It's possible (in theory) to say you think Embarcadero made a mistake
without necessarily painting it (and every other thing) as THE WORST
THING EVER!

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  Posted: Jun 22, 2015 2:11 PM   in response to: Brandon Staggs in response to: Brandon Staggs
Brandon Staggs wrote:

There are serious basic functionality defects in XE8. It's an
expensive product. If you bought it without an update subscription I'd
say it's going to be more than noise. Emb would do well to just stop
selling it without an update subscription. There is nothing unusual
in this industry about subscription-only licenses and they should just
go that way 100% and avoid all of this. People will complain about
the cost, but that is far better than complaining about not being able
to use a product you spent hundreds or thousands on because of
regression bugs in TList or whatever.

I cannot agree more.

Regards,

Cesar Romero

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  Posted: Jun 17, 2015 9:01 AM   in response to: Nick Hodges in response to: Nick Hodges
On 6/16/15 9:09 PM, Nick Hodges wrote:
Dalija Prasnikar wrote:

I still cannot wrap my head around that. I think I have to really see
it happening in order to believe it.

It's not like they haven't been warning you.

I like Delphi a lot and am on SA Enterprise.

I have a gigantic problem with them not properly supporting non SA XE8
license holders with bug fixes. In my 25 years in this industry I don't
think i've ever seen this.

I'm sure this isn't Marco's idea, but some highly paid bean counter's idea.

Rip the band aid off and go subscription only before you alienate a
bunch of developers.
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  Posted: Jun 17, 2015 9:11 AM   in response to: Mike Margerum in response to: Mike Margerum
"Mike Margerum" <aaa at ccc dot com> wrote in message
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Rip the band aid off and go subscription only before you alienate a
bunch of developers.

I believe all indications are that's what they'd like to do ("go
subscription only").

But, I speculate, they haven't been able to get as many people as they'd
like to "freely" come aboard, so they're trying to leverage more into that
position.

Directly going to subscription only sales might produce greater alienation
than their current approach.

I do wonder how many sales/upgrades of XE8 they've made, without
accompanying subscription? But I don't expect we'll be finding that out...
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  Posted: Jun 20, 2015 4:55 AM   in response to: Mike Margerum in response to: Mike Margerum
Mike Margerum wrote:

Rip the band aid off and go subscription only before you alienate a
bunch of developers.

I believe that is what they are doing.

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  Posted: Jun 20, 2015 5:22 AM   in response to: Nick Hodges in response to: Nick Hodges
Nick Hodges wrote:
Mike Margerum wrote:

Rip the band aid off and go subscription only before you alienate a
bunch of developers.

I believe that is what they are doing.

That is not what they are doing right now.

Right now they are creating absurd situations where people that will buy
XE8 today (without subscription) will be denied fixes that were released
yesterday.

They should stop selling licenses without subscription included, or provide
fixes to all owners of certain version regardless of how they obtained
(through legal channels, of course) it or whether or not they have active
license subscription. Period.

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  Posted: Jun 20, 2015 8:07 AM   in response to: Dalija Prasnikar in response to: Dalija Prasnikar
Dalija Prasnikar wrote:

Nick Hodges wrote:
Mike Margerum wrote:

Rip the band aid off and go subscription only before you alienate
a bunch of developers.

I believe that is what they are doing.

That is not what they are doing right now.

Right now they are creating absurd situations where people that will
buy XE8 today (without subscription) will be denied fixes that were
released yesterday.

They should stop selling licenses without subscription included, or
provide fixes to all owners of certain version regardless of how they
obtained (through legal channels, of course) it or whether or not
they have active license subscription. Period.

If Embarcadero moves to a purely subscription model in the next
release, will that make you happy?

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  Posted: Jun 20, 2015 1:00 PM   in response to: Bruce McGee in response to: Bruce McGee
Bruce McGee wrote:
Dalija Prasnikar wrote:

Nick Hodges wrote:
Mike Margerum wrote:

Rip the band aid off and go subscription only before you alienate
a bunch of developers.

I believe that is what they are doing.

That is not what they are doing right now.

Right now they are creating absurd situations where people that will
buy XE8 today (without subscription) will be denied fixes that were
released yesterday.

They should stop selling licenses without subscription included, or
provide fixes to all owners of certain version regardless of how they
obtained (through legal channels, of course) it or whether or not
they have active license subscription. Period.

If Embarcadero moves to a purely subscription model in the next
release, will that make you happy?

First of all, just to make it clear, only subscription model I would ever use
is one with perpetual licenses. Expiring licenses are out of the question.

Now, whether or not I would be fully satisfied with particular model, I cannot
say up front without knowing all the details. But for one thing I would be
satisfied if they stop selling licenses without any support.

And ultimately, I will be happy when QPS becomes reality and not just
marketing phrase.

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Dalija Prasnikar wrote:

Bruce McGee wrote:
Dalija Prasnikar wrote:

Nick Hodges wrote:
Mike Margerum wrote:

Rip the band aid off and go subscription only before you
alienate a bunch of developers.

I believe that is what they are doing.

That is not what they are doing right now.

Right now they are creating absurd situations where people that
will buy XE8 today (without subscription) will be denied fixes
that were released yesterday.

They should stop selling licenses without subscription included,
or provide fixes to all owners of certain version regardless of
how they obtained (through legal channels, of course) it or
whether or not they have active license subscription. Period.

If Embarcadero moves to a purely subscription model in the next
release, will that make you happy?

First of all, just to make it clear, only subscription model I would
ever use is one with perpetual licenses. Expiring licenses are out of
the question.

Just like Embarcadero's does.

But for one
thing I would be satisfied if they stop selling licenses without any
support.

Presumably you mean less support.

Well, one can hope.

And ultimately, I will be happy when QPS becomes reality and not just
marketing phrase.

Some people won't be satisfied no matter what Embarcadero does.

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  Posted: Jun 22, 2015 11:32 AM   in response to: Dalija Prasnikar in response to: Dalija Prasnikar
Am 20.06.2015 um 22:00 schrieb Dalija Prasnikar:


And ultimately, I will be happy when QPS becomes reality and not just
marketing phrase.

QPS?

Quality something?

Greetings

Markus
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  Posted: Jun 22, 2015 12:08 PM   in response to: Markus Humm in response to: Markus Humm
Markus Humm wrote:
Am 20.06.2015 um 22:00 schrieb Dalija Prasnikar:


And ultimately, I will be happy when QPS becomes reality and not just
marketing phrase.

QPS?

Quality something?

Quality Performance Stability

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  Posted: Jun 21, 2015 9:06 AM   in response to: Bruce McGee in response to: Bruce McGee
If Embarcadero moves to a purely subscription model in the next
release, will that make you happy?

I sure hope they do and they keep good on their promise to fix more bugs
now that they don't have to add shiny new things to every release. I'm
building a pretty small FMX app here and am getting constant IDE crashes
and memory errors. I can only imagine how bad it would be with a
sizable app.

Stability issues aside, the FMX toolkit works pretty well on mac/windows.
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  Posted: Jun 16, 2015 8:53 PM   in response to: Graham Stratford in response to: Graham Stratford
Graham Stratford <> wrote in news:726487 at forums dot embarcadero dot com:

This episode underlines for me just how unethical it is for
Embarcadero to require a subscription even for bug fixes!

Seems like it would be more unethical to encourage people to pay twice as
much for upgrades than subscriptions.
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  Posted: Jun 17, 2015 6:46 AM   in response to: Christopher Burke in response to: Christopher Burke
Christopher Burke wrote:
Graham Stratford <> wrote in news:726487 at forums dot embarcadero dot com:

This episode underlines for me just how unethical it is for
Embarcadero to require a subscription even for bug fixes!

Seems like it would be more unethical to encourage people to pay twice as
much for upgrades than subscriptions.

What's strange to me is that we keep hearing about how the number of licenses sold is steadily increasing, even when the price is increasing at an astonishing rate. Then they do things like this, as if they desperately need the income to survive (because, to be sure, they are risking alienating a lot of people), or else their revenue is coming from a pool of locked-in customers. There seems to be very little concern to maintain a good ongoing relationship with customers.

I know that we don't get a lot of protection here in North America, but I'm a little surprised that Embarcadero can pull this off in Europe, where consumer protection laws are much stronger, and companies are generally obliged to correct fundamental flaws in their products or take those products back.
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Graham Stratford wrote:

I know that we don't get a lot of protection here in North America,
but I'm a little surprised that Embarcadero can pull this off in
Europe, where consumer protection laws are much stronger, and
companies are generally obliged to correct fundamental flaws in their
products or take those products back.

Interesting thought (some food for the lawyers)..

It might work to just buy XE9 once XE8 has all its updates (we work
with VCL so we dont want any support, only a proper working product)?
Marius Ellen

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  Posted: Jun 17, 2015 1:50 PM   in response to: Graham Stratford in response to: Graham Stratford
Graham Stratford wrote:

I know that we don't get a lot of protection here in North America,
but I'm a little surprised that Embarcadero can pull this off in
Europe, where consumer protection laws are much stronger, and
companies are generally obliged to correct fundamental flaws in their
products or take those products back.

Interesting thought (some food for the lawyers)..

It might work to just buy XE9 once XE8 has all its updates (we work
with VCL so we dont want any support, only a proper working product)?
Marius Ellen

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Registered: 11/22/99
Re: First sign of XE8 Update 1
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  Posted: Jun 17, 2015 1:51 PM   in response to: Graham Stratford in response to: Graham Stratford
Graham Stratford wrote:

I know that we don't get a lot of protection here in North America,
but I'm a little surprised that Embarcadero can pull this off in
Europe, where consumer protection laws are much stronger, and
companies are generally obliged to correct fundamental flaws in their
products or take those products back.

Interesting thought (some food for the lawyers)..

It might work to just buy XE9 once XE8 has all its updates (we work
with VCL so we dont want any support, only a proper working product)?
Quentin Correll


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  Posted: Jun 16, 2015 10:36 AM   in response to: Dalija Prasnikar in response to: Dalija Prasnikar
Dalija,

| Update should be in shortly, see comments from Marco Cantù
| https://plus.google.com/116682952027238449863/posts/guHkjAknLac

That link didn't link to Marco for me. (?)

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Dalija Prasnikar

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  Posted: Jun 16, 2015 10:49 AM   in response to: Quentin Correll in response to: Quentin Correll
Quentin Correll wrote:
Dalija,

| Update should be in shortly, see comments from Marco Cantù
| https://plus.google.com/116682952027238449863/posts/guHkjAknLac

That link didn't link to Marco for me. (?)

Look at comments section of the post.

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Quentin Correll


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  Posted: Jun 17, 2015 10:18 AM   in response to: Dalija Prasnikar in response to: Dalija Prasnikar
Dalija,

Ah,... thanks Dalija and Remy!

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Quentin Correll


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  Posted: Jun 17, 2015 9:30 PM   in response to: Dalija Prasnikar in response to: Dalija Prasnikar
Dalija,

Ah,... thanks Dalija and Remy!

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  Posted: Jun 16, 2015 8:03 PM   in response to: Quentin Correll in response to: Quentin Correll
Quentin wrote:

That link didn't link to Marco for me. (?)

It links to the post that Marco posted on a comment on mentioning Update 1:

Marco Cantù 2:24 AM
The TList.Insert issue should be fixed in Update 1 coming son (provided you
are under Update Subscription plan, though).

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  Posted: Jun 17, 2015 9:37 AM   in response to: Ronald Klitsche in response to: Ronald Klitsche
Indeed!

http://docwiki.embarcadero.com/RADStudio/XE8/en/Release_Notes_for_XE8_Update_1

No useful ative link. But the page is there :)

Clément
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  Posted: Jun 18, 2015 8:33 PM   in response to: Clement Doss in response to: Clement Doss
Clement Doss <> wrote in news:726595 at forums dot embarcadero dot com:

Indeed!

http://docwiki.embarcadero.com/RADStudio/XE8/en/Release_Notes_for_XE8_U
pdate_1

No useful ative link. But the page is there :)

Clément

Fix list up:

http://edn.embarcadero.com/article/44470
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