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Nick Hodges

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  Posted: May 27, 2015 1:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSzD1VLJIyU

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Nick Hodges <nickhodges at gmail dot com> wrote in news:725017
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Comparing writing IoT code to getting man on the moon is a little 'over the
top' don't you think ?
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On 5/27/2015 6:19 PM, Christopher Burke wrote:
Nick Hodges <nickhodges at gmail dot com> wrote in news:725017
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Comparing writing IoT code to getting man on the moon is a little 'over the
top' don't you think ?

The minute the ad declared that in 1962 'the finest minds in the country
had no idea how to get to the moon' I knew that they didn't have clue one.

As an amateur space historian, the reality is that Kennedy didn't commit
to the US going to the moon until he received confirmation from his
advisors that it was actually technically feasible, AND after Alan
Shepard made his successful flight. Further, as a point of interest
(well, at least to me), the Saturn V was 'born' (i.e., the original
design of the rocket was named as the Saturn) on the same day I was --
and that was in the fifties...

Getting to the moon was an amazing enough feat without making stuff up.
I also found it interesting how absolutely useless this 'commercial'
was -- it was completely 'factless' and effectively just said 'we can do
cool stuff'.

BTW, they mentioned that Kennedy gave this speech in 1962 (which is
true, at least the part they quoted). But, the actual, ground-breaking
speech which is what set the US on the path to the moon occurred in May
of 1961 (in a speech to Congress)...

Yeah, they really hit that one out of the park, didn't they?

David Erbas-White
Adem Meda

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  Posted: May 28, 2015 7:39 AM   in response to: David Erbas-White in response to: David Erbas-White
David Erbas-White wrote:

Getting to the moon was an amazing enough feat without making stuff up.

Unless they had technology not displayed in the Space Museum, I am surprised
that sending another manned flight to the Moon has not been possible ever since.

What I am trying to say is this: The kind of technology they had then is so
down-to-earth these days that, these days, even a small shop could produce the
capsules and what not quite easily and much more cheaply.

Yet, nobody does.

I find that odd.

Odd enough to be on the verge of believing Moon landing conspiracy theories
that claim no manned landing was ever done but it was all filmed here on earth.

That, though, begs the question why the USSR didn't call it out.

But, still.
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  Posted: May 28, 2015 1:30 PM   in response to: Adem Meda in response to: Adem Meda
m> Odd enough to be on the verge of believing Moon landing conspiracy theories
that claim no manned landing was ever done but it was all filmed here on earth.

yes, is staggers belief that there are people today who think we did not go to the moon
highly disrespectfull of the risks people involved took etc
Brandon Staggs

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  Posted: May 29, 2015 4:53 AM   in response to: Adem Meda in response to: Adem Meda
"Adem Meda" wrote on Thu, 28 May 2015 07:39:36 -0700:

Yet, nobody does.

I find that odd.

Your assumptions are wrong, but regardless, it isn't odd at all. The
only reason to go to the moon is to say we went to the moon. Well,
that's done. Why would anyone spend tens of billions to do it again
and again? It was arguably a waste of tax money the first several
times, but the government doesn't need any justification to waste
money-- private individuals generally need a good reason to waste
billions.

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Christopher Burke

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"Adem Meda" wrote on Thu, 28 May 2015 07:39:36 -0700:

Yet, nobody does.

I find that odd.

Your assumptions are wrong, but regardless, it isn't odd at all. The
only reason to go to the moon is to say we went to the moon.

Really ? The reason we do a lot of science is to discover things, all that
stuff we learned going to the moon is why we went to the moon.
Adem Meda

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  Posted: May 29, 2015 6:26 AM   in response to: Brandon Staggs in response to: Brandon Staggs
Brandon Staggs wrote:

"Adem Meda" wrote on Thu, 28 May 2015 07:39:36 -0700:

Yet, nobody does.

I find that odd.

Your assumptions are wrong, but regardless, it isn't odd at all. The
only reason to go to the moon is to say we went to the moon. Well,
that's done. Why would anyone spend tens of billions to do it again
and again? It was arguably a waste of tax money the first several
times, but the government doesn't need any justification to waste
money-- private individuals generally need a good reason to waste
billions.

And, I have heard this /explanation/ far too many times enough to believe it
--only if repetition is what reinforces your beliefs.

The 'billions of dollars' is the first thing that does not make sense. That
figure (if it ever was calculated) covers R&D costs which has long been
amortised --spent and done with.

What remains is cost of materials and workmanship.

Thing is: All of the materials and processes that were 'exotic' then are
basically run-of-the-mill nowadays. What's more, there has been so many
advances in many of the stuff they used then to make them
smaller/lighter/cheaper/better etc.

All this would, IMO, easily bring the cost of a flight to the Moon to down
below the cost of a single B-2 Bomber [Northrop Grumman B-2 Spirit] (which cost
$737 Million in 1997 dollars).

Regarding the "well, we found nothing interesting there" arguement..
IIRC, there has been 6 manned landings (Apollos 11, 12, 14..17) and about 82
hours on the Moon --all of them put together.

Something tells me 3.5 days on the Moon isn't enough to decide if there's
anything of interest there --especially since they have not done any meaningful
surveys of what lies beneath the surface, let alone covering enough of the
surface.
Marco A. A. San...

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  Posted: May 29, 2015 4:36 PM   in response to: Brandon Staggs in response to: Brandon Staggs
The only reason to go to the moon is to say we went to the moon before the soviets could to do it.

There, fixed that for you :D

If there was no Sputnik, there would be no Apollo.The costs involved were only justified due to the cold war. I agree, it's sad to see consipary theories saying that it was faked, but the saddest true is that there's no commercial drive to go to the moon, and no political reasons also, so, no politician in his/her right mind would suggest it,

Let's hope space travel gets cheaper on the future (Space-X, counting on you), so we can be amazed by new space endeavours in our satelite, or beyond. But I'm not holding my breath.
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  Posted: May 29, 2015 5:25 PM   in response to: Brandon Staggs in response to: Brandon Staggs
On 5/29/2015 4:53 AM, Brandon Staggs wrote:

Your assumptions are wrong, but regardless, it isn't odd at all. The
only reason to go to the moon is to say we went to the moon. Well,
that's done. Why would anyone spend tens of billions to do it again
and again? It was arguably a waste of tax money the first several
times, but the government doesn't need any justification to waste
money-- private individuals generally need a good reason to waste
billions.

Seriously?

Read the book "Return to the Moon" by Harrison Schmitt (on the other
hand, if the name means nothing to you, then probably it will be a waste
of time). In it, he outlines both WHY we should go back to the moon
(and he just concentrates on one reason of many), but HOW we could go
back to the moon, AND pay for it.

Unfortunately, while we had two major projects in America in the 20th
century that drove science/research/technology forward, we've not had
any in the past fifty years of that caliber, nor do I see any signs of
reversing that trend (the two being the Apollo Program and the Manhattan
Project).

As a side note (and to kick this thread into the 'global warming'
category <G>), I'm completely astonished that with all of the talk about
global warming, that there is not a project at the level of those two to
develop fusion power. It's do-able, but not without significant
interest and long-term commitment.

BTW, for years I've heard folks say something like, "If we can put a man
on the moon, why cant we... (insert favorite problem to solve here)."
The truth is, in the sixties, we COULD put a man on the moon. But
today, I really doubt if we could. It's a matter of technology,
commitment, and lack of desire to take any risks.

Technology? Yes, technology. We've lost most of the records (i.e.,
blueprints) from the Apollo program (most were destroyed on purpose as a
condition of getting funding for the Space Shuttle). All tooling is
long gone. When the 'back to the moon' rhetoric started up about 12
years ago, current engineers had to go to MUSEUMS to dis-assemble
Apollo-era engines to even see how they worked, so that they could
'design' new, modern engines. Much of the information they got came
from hobbyists and amateur space historians -- because government and
industry hadn't anything left.

Commitment? Yes, in the sixties we had the political commitment to race
to the moon. Today, we can't get commitment that will last longer than
the next news cycle (and I view that both as a failure of leadership and
of followers).

Finally, risk - we are so risk-averse now that everything has to be
computer modeled (even if the models are faulty), triple-checked (even
if the checks have no meaning to them), made quadruply redundant (even
if they all suffer from the same mode of failure), and then someone,
somewhere has to assume the risk if anything goes wrong, which causes
additional delays by lawyers and actuarials. We've lost the ability to
take 'reasonable' risks, where 'reason' dictates that space flight is
very much the same as an ongoing 'test flight'. If we insisted upon the
level of oversight during the Apollo program that has to be utilized
today to sell a water balloon, we'd still be sitting on the ground...

This country has, long ago, decided to give up any long-term planning.
We had the ability to have the LHC in the US, but were too damned stupid
to see the long term benefits, because our legislators can't see past
the next election cycle. The same is true of any other long-term
research -- you can bet the only thing that is being done in this
country regarding long-term projects could only be done under one of the
'black' programs on behalf of the military or NSA -- and that thought
ought to scare folks. Instead, everybody is just content to continue
along with the status quo...

Okay, off my soapbox now...

David Erbas-White
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David Erbas-White wrote:

This country has, long ago, decided to give up any long-term
planning.

Ah, come on David! We do long-term planning. It's just that the
definition of long-term has changed to mean "what are you doing after
lunch?"!

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  Posted: Jun 2, 2015 9:54 AM   in response to: David Erbas-White in response to: David Erbas-White
David,

| I'm completely astonished that with all of the talk about
| global warming, that there is not a project at the level of those two
| to develop fusion power.

Ditto!

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David,

| I'm completely astonished that with all of the talk about
| global warming, that there is not a project at the level of those two
| to develop fusion power.

Ditto!

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David,

| I'm completely astonished that with all of the talk about
| global warming, that there is not a project at the level of those two
| to develop fusion power.

Ditto!

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David,

| I'm completely astonished that with all of the talk about
| global warming, that there is not a project at the level of those two
| to develop fusion power.

Ditto!

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David,

| I'm completely astonished that with all of the talk about
| global warming, that there is not a project at the level of those two
| to develop fusion power.

Ditto!

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David,

| I'm completely astonished that with all of the talk about
| global warming, that there is not a project at the level of those two
| to develop fusion power.

Ditto!

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  Posted: Jun 3, 2015 11:50 AM   in response to: Quentin Correll in response to: Quentin Correll
Anyone,

Oh my!
So many replies!
I don't know why!
<shaking head>

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Now say 10 times "Stupid forums"!

;)
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  Posted: Jun 3, 2015 2:51 PM   in response to: Quentin Correll in response to: Quentin Correll
Quentin Correll wrote:
Oh my!
So many replies!

Well, they were "ditto," so I guess it was kind of fitting.
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David,

| I'm completely astonished that with all of the talk about
| global warming, that there is not a project at the level of those two
| to develop fusion power.

Ditto!

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Adem Meda

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  Posted: Jun 3, 2015 2:59 PM   in response to: David Erbas-White in response to: David Erbas-White
David Erbas-White wrote:

As a side note (and to kick this thread into the 'global warming'
category <G>), I'm completely astonished that with all of the talk about
global warming, that there is not a project at the level of those two to
develop fusion power. It's do-able, but not without significant
interest and long-term commitment.

Your words seem being on the verge of reaching god's ears, so to speak:

http://news.sciencemag.org/physics/2015/06/mystery-company-blazes-trail-fusion-energy

On that somebody made this remark:

http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=7497825&cid=49827979

I'll just copy the relevant part here:

<quote>
I know personally of at least three lines of approach to the fusion problem --
one conventional, one exotic, one that (I believe) nobody's thought of and that
MIGHT be doable out to a prototype for a few million dollars, chump change. But
try getting even chump change out of somebody that has that kind of money for a
long shot, especially without telling them enough that you run the substantial
risk of having your idea stolen and ending up with nothing. Any simple, cheap
idea is stealable -- and the global electricity market is around 21 trillion
KW-hours at 10 cents (or more!) a KW hour, making the life expectancy of
somebody who enters the game without serious top cover as little as days. Two
trillion dollars a year, and at least half of that money going into pockets
that your invention would forthwith empty. People would place bets on who would
get to you first -- and to your investors, if they weren't wealthy enough to
defend themselves.

This might be the reason we don't have fusion already. But Lockheed-Martin can
defend itself. So can the US government, maybe, although it is susceptible to
corruption. Joe inventor in his lead-lined garage? Not so much. And lead-lined
garages are actually remarkably expensive...
</quote>

I am sure you can tell that I like a good conspiracy theory. But, then again,
isn't voicing suspicions on someone else's agenda that you don't know exact
details a conspiracy theory.
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  Posted: May 29, 2015 10:20 AM   in response to: Adem Meda in response to: Adem Meda
Adem Meda wrote:
Odd enough to be on the verge of believing Moon landing conspiracy
theories that claim no manned landing was ever done but it was all
filmed here on earth.

Jeeeez.

And all the recent LRO imaging of the landing sites (with rover and
astronaut tracks) is part of the huge cover-up too?
Markus Humm

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Am 28.05.2015 um 03:43 schrieb David Erbas-White:
On 5/27/2015 6:19 PM, Christopher Burke wrote:
Nick Hodges <nickhodges at gmail dot com> wrote in news:725017
@forums.embarcadero.com:


Comparing writing IoT code to getting man on the moon is a little 'over the
top' don't you think ?

The minute the ad declared that in 1962 'the finest minds in the country
had no idea how to get to the moon' I knew that they didn't have clue one.

As an amateur space historian, the reality is that Kennedy didn't commit
to the US going to the moon until he received confirmation from his
advisors that it was actually technically feasible, AND after Alan
Shepard made his successful flight. Further, as a point of interest
(well, at least to me), the Saturn V was 'born' (i.e., the original
design of the rocket was named as the Saturn) on the same day I was --
and that was in the fifties...

Getting to the moon was an amazing enough feat without making stuff up.
I also found it interesting how absolutely useless this 'commercial'
was -- it was completely 'factless' and effectively just said 'we can do
cool stuff'.

BTW, they mentioned that Kennedy gave this speech in 1962 (which is
true, at least the part they quoted). But, the actual, ground-breaking
speech which is what set the US on the path to the moon occurred in May
of 1961 (in a speech to Congress)...

Yeah, they really hit that one out of the park, didn't they?

Hello,

I didn't watch that video, but it reminds me of an end 90's BMW add
where they boasted that the computing power in their car engine control
electronics exceeded the computing power in the computer used to fly to
the moon (don't remember if they referred the one in the space craft or
the one in the control room). Already back then I tought: "geez, what's
the bigger achievement? Your motor electronics or flying to the moon?".

Greetings

Markus
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Am 28.05.2015 um 03:43 schrieb David Erbas-White:
On 5/27/2015 6:19 PM, Christopher Burke wrote:
Nick Hodges <nickhodges at gmail dot com> wrote in news:725017
@forums.embarcadero.com:


Comparing writing IoT code to getting man on the moon is a little 'over the
top' don't you think ?

The minute the ad declared that in 1962 'the finest minds in the country
had no idea how to get to the moon' I knew that they didn't have clue one.

As an amateur space historian, the reality is that Kennedy didn't commit
to the US going to the moon until he received confirmation from his
advisors that it was actually technically feasible, AND after Alan
Shepard made his successful flight. Further, as a point of interest
(well, at least to me), the Saturn V was 'born' (i.e., the original
design of the rocket was named as the Saturn) on the same day I was --
and that was in the fifties...

Getting to the moon was an amazing enough feat without making stuff up.
I also found it interesting how absolutely useless this 'commercial'
was -- it was completely 'factless' and effectively just said 'we can do
cool stuff'.

BTW, they mentioned that Kennedy gave this speech in 1962 (which is
true, at least the part they quoted). But, the actual, ground-breaking
speech which is what set the US on the path to the moon occurred in May
of 1961 (in a speech to Congress)...

Yeah, they really hit that one out of the park, didn't they?

Hello,

I didn't watch that video, but it reminds me of an end 90's BMW add
where they boasted that the computing power in their car engine control
electronics exceeded the computing power in the computer used to fly to
the moon (don't remember if they referred the one in the space craft or
the one in the control room). Already back then I tought: "geez, what's
the bigger achievement? Your motor electronics or flying to the moon?".

Greetings

Markus
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David Erbas-White wrote:

On 5/27/2015 6:19 PM, Christopher Burke wrote:
Nick Hodges <nickhodges at gmail dot com> wrote in news:725017
@forums.embarcadero.com:


Comparing writing IoT code to getting man on the moon is a little
'over the top' don't you think ?

The minute the ad declared that in 1962 'the finest minds in the
country had no idea how to get to the moon' I knew that they didn't
have clue one.

The statement is completely true. The confusion lies in the assumption
that they were talking about technology. In reality they were talking
about funding and they truly had no idea how to do it. <g>

Getting to the moon was an amazing enough feat without making stuff
up. I also found it interesting how absolutely useless this
'commercial' was -- it was completely 'factless' and effectively just
said 'we can do cool stuff'.

Commercial.Facts is a collection that does not exist. You've been in
space too long! <g>

Dan
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Dan, I'm laughing so hard I ALMOST had a heart attack!

Thanks, I needed that! <G>

David Erbas-White
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David Erbas-White wrote:

On 5/28/2015 10:59 AM, Dan Barclay wrote:

Dan, I'm laughing so hard I ALMOST had a heart attack!

Thanks, I needed that! <G>

David Erbas-White

I'm not a space expert, though I grew up alongside that program.

My friend Jay Apt, though, is quite familiar with it. He's been on 4
(if I remember right) STS missions. I know Jay through a common
interest in general aviation.

If you're looking for a good coffee-table book, he worked with some
folks to publish a book "Orbit" which uses some of the best orbit
pictures framed to show orbit as astronauts see it. Some links on that
site to interviews and more info.

http://www.orbitexperience.com/Orbit_Book/orbit_book.html

(a neutral plug, I don't get anything from it and I doubt Jay gets much
more than sharing his love of the subject)

Dan
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David Erbas-White wrote:

On 5/27/2015 6:19 PM, Christopher Burke wrote:
Nick Hodges <nickhodges at gmail dot com> wrote in news:725017
@forums.embarcadero.com:


Comparing writing IoT code to getting man on the moon is a little
'over the top' don't you think ?

The minute the ad declared that in 1962 'the finest minds in the
country had no idea how to get to the moon' I knew that they didn't
have clue one.

The statement is completely true. The confusion lies in the assumption
that they were talking about technology. In reality they were talking
about funding and they truly had no idea how to do it. <g>

Getting to the moon was an amazing enough feat without making stuff
up. I also found it interesting how absolutely useless this
'commercial' was -- it was completely 'factless' and effectively just
said 'we can do cool stuff'.

Commercial.Facts is a collection that does not exist. You've been in
space too long! <g>

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  Posted: Jun 1, 2015 2:39 AM   in response to: Christopher Burke in response to: Christopher Burke
Christopher Burke wrote:

Nick Hodges <nickhodges at gmail dot com> wrote in news:725017
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Comparing writing IoT code to getting man on the moon is a little
'over the top' don't you think ?

Commercials are often over the top.

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  Posted: Jun 1, 2015 2:49 AM   in response to: Nick Hodges in response to: Nick Hodges
Nick Hodges wrote:


Taking moon shots?

Nice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIMqIGax8Co

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