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Thread: Builder C++ vs RAD Studio



Permlink Replies: 8 - Last Post: Sep 26, 2014 7:25 AM Last Post By: Toncic Linardic
Toncic Linardic

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Builder C++ vs RAD Studio
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  Posted: Sep 24, 2014 6:35 AM
The difference between price of Builder C++ and RAD Studio is significant, at least it is for country where I live.
I bought and upgraded RAD Studio few times because I was told that maybe I'll need to use Delphi (most of the components are written in Delphi).
For now it was bad advice. :)

Basically I need C++ compiler, VCL and IBLite (maybe InterBase) from whole package.

My question: is there any other (hidden) reason, that I do not see, why I should buy RAD Studio instead of Builder C++?
Juha Piispa

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Re: Builder C++ vs RAD Studio
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  Posted: Sep 24, 2014 9:46 PM   in response to: Toncic Linardic in response to: Toncic Linardic
Toncic Linardic <> wrote:
Basically I need C++ compiler, VCL and IBLite (maybe InterBase) from whole package.

I thing that you answered to your own question already.

If you feel that C++Builder is enough and you do not run Delphi
samples that should be your choise. you can alway upgrade back to RAD
studio if needed.

Regards, Qapla'
Juha Piispa

Toncic Linardic

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Re: Builder C++ vs RAD Studio
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  Posted: Sep 25, 2014 4:43 AM   in response to: Juha Piispa in response to: Juha Piispa
Juha Piispa wrote:
Toncic Linardic <> wrote:
Basically I need C++ compiler, VCL and IBLite (maybe InterBase) from whole package.

I thing that you answered to your own question already.

If you feel that C++Builder is enough and you do not run Delphi
samples that should be your choise. you can alway upgrade back to RAD
studio if needed.

Regards, Qapla'
Juha Piispa


Thank you for reply.
Feature Matrix is very complex, it is difficult to see relations between components.
Josh Kelley

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Re: Builder C++ vs RAD Studio
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  Posted: Sep 25, 2014 6:00 AM   in response to: Toncic Linardic in response to: Toncic Linardic
Toncic Linardic wrote:
The difference between price of Builder C++ and RAD Studio is significant, at least it is for country where I live.
I bought and upgraded RAD Studio few times because I was told that maybe I'll need to use Delphi (most of the components are written in Delphi).
For now it was bad advice. :)

Basically I need C++ compiler, VCL and IBLite (maybe InterBase) from whole package.

My question: is there any other (hidden) reason, that I do not see, why I should buy RAD Studio instead of Builder C++?

My personal experience with trying to use just C++Builder was that it was a frustrating experience. Most third-party components (like the very useful JVCL) are written in Delphi. It's technically possible to work with these components in C++Builder (at least, it was before the bug at [http://qc.embarcadero.com/wc/qcmain.aspx?d=127304] was introduced), but it doesn't work well (harder to patch and debug, etc.), so my organization decided it was better to purchase RAD Studio.

Like Juha Piispa said, though, it's your choice, based on your own needs.
Toncic Linardic

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Re: Builder C++ vs RAD Studio
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  Posted: Sep 25, 2014 7:03 AM   in response to: Josh Kelley in response to: Josh Kelley
Josh Kelley wrote:
My personal experience with trying to use just C++Builder was that it was a frustrating experience. Most third-party components (like the very useful JVCL) are written in Delphi. It's technically possible to work with these components in C++Builder (at least, it was before the bug at [http://qc.embarcadero.com/wc/qcmain.aspx?d=127304] was introduced), but it doesn't work well (harder to patch and debug, etc.), so my organization decided it was better to purchase RAD Studio.

Like Juha Piispa said, though, it's your choice, based on your own needs.

I know that choice is on me, but I want to hear other opinions. :)

I had a similar problem like you, few years ago with NexusDB, ti was impossible to use it normally without Delphi. After few months I was very angry and moved whole project to Visual C.

Now I'm back to Builder C++ and still I feel that Delphi is first language and C++ second.

Even intellisense and other editor events are much better and faster for Delphi. :(

That is a reason why I'm afraid to go back to pure C++ installation even I beleive that I will not need Delphi.
Bruce Salzman


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Re: Builder C++ vs RAD Studio
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  Posted: Sep 25, 2014 1:27 PM   in response to: Toncic Linardic in response to: Toncic Linardic
Toncic Linardic wrote:

The difference between price of Builder C++ and RAD Studio is
significant, at least it is for country where I live. I bought and
upgraded RAD Studio few times because I was told that maybe I'll need
to use Delphi (most of the components are written in Delphi). For
now it was bad advice. :)

Basically I need C++ compiler, VCL and IBLite (maybe InterBase) from
whole package.

My question: is there any other (hidden) reason, that I do not see,
why I should buy RAD Studio instead of Builder C++?

I have found that support for C++ by Delphi component writers is fair
to poor. At least with the Delphi personality you can build the
component yourself and install it in the IDE (if you have the source).
Starting with RAD Studio 2007 I've gone the RAD Studio route just to be
safe. I never program in Delphi, BTW. I only look at .pas files when
something isn't working.

--
Bruce
Toncic Linardic

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Re: Builder C++ vs RAD Studio
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  Posted: Sep 25, 2014 11:57 PM   in response to: Bruce Salzman in response to: Bruce Salzman
Bruce Salzman wrote:
Toncic Linardic wrote:

I have found that support for C++ by Delphi component writers is fair
to poor. At least with the Delphi personality you can build the
component yourself and install it in the IDE (if you have the source).
Starting with RAD Studio 2007 I've gone the RAD Studio route just to be
safe. I never program in Delphi, BTW. I only look at .pas files when
something isn't working.

--
Bruce

Yes, that is the same reason why I'm afraid to return back to pure C++.
Johannes Weinert

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Re: Builder C++ vs RAD Studio
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  Posted: Sep 26, 2014 4:20 AM   in response to: Bruce Salzman in response to: Bruce Salzman
Hello,

Am 25.09.2014 22:27, schrieb Bruce Salzman:
Toncic Linardic wrote:

[...]

Basically I need C++ compiler, VCL and IBLite (maybe InterBase) from
whole package.

My question: is there any other (hidden) reason, that I do not see,
why I should buy RAD Studio instead of Builder C++?

I have found that support for C++ by Delphi component writers is fair
to poor. At least with the Delphi personality you can build the
component yourself and install it in the IDE (if you have the source).
Starting with RAD Studio 2007 I've gone the RAD Studio route just to be
safe. I never program in Delphi, BTW. I only look at .pas files when
something isn't working.

a lot of third party packages come either with an installer or with a
C++Builder package. For Delphi-only packages you can always use dcc32
directly to install it in C++Builder using a command like
dcc32.exe -JL <package_name>.dpk
without having a Delphi license.

Apart from BDS 2006 (where the Delphi personality was included for free)
we never had a Delphi license.

Regards

Hans
Toncic Linardic

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Re: Builder C++ vs RAD Studio
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  Posted: Sep 26, 2014 7:25 AM   in response to: Johannes Weinert in response to: Johannes Weinert
Johannes Weinert wrote:
Hello,

a lot of third party packages come either with an installer or with a
C++Builder package. For Delphi-only packages you can always use dcc32
directly to install it in C++Builder using a command like
dcc32.exe -JL <package_name>.dpk
without having a Delphi license.

Apart from BDS 2006 (where the Delphi personality was included for free)
we never had a Delphi license.

Regards

Hans


Thank you Hans, this is helpful comment!
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